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On February 18 2013 18:02 Geo.Rion wrote:
Gotta love this show
Half trained civilians vs attacking zombies hit percentage: ~ 97% (headshots) throughout the 3 seasons
That same group vs para-military group (everyone standing in one place): ~0.02% hit rate (either way)
Haha yeah, noticed this too. I've always been annoyed how they never miss shooting zombies in the head. It just isn't that easy.
Anyway, I've liked season 3 alot so far. Gotta love Rick, he's such a messed up asshole it makes me laugh everytime.
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I love how they're putting in more bandits vs survivors in the show ,especially at this stage. I just feel that the war atmosphere feels awesome, atleast less boring than a typical normal day at the prison.
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Was quite surprised when Axel got shot in the head, was beginning to think they were going to love triangle him lol
Gunfight after that was terrible. Seeing everyone hit absolutely nothing until the walker bus just made me think 'are you serious?'.
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Why does this show still surprise me when they kill off characters that are very obviously "expendable" in the writers eyes because they're just not that great of writers...
Axel was getting development, I was hoping to see his character expanded because he did seem quite interesting.
Anyway I didn't mind the episode really.
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Nice episode, but the shootout just made me cringe, a lot. Which is a reoccurring theme by now.
Group of people vs. zombies? 100% hit rate, 100% head shots, no matter the distance.
Group of people vs. group of people? Guys can stand in the middle of a field while nothing ever hits them.
And I don't really see the drama for this episode's ending, either. So there's one or two dozen zombies in the inner field now. So what? They cleared that many zombies out already, they can do it again. They made it look like Rick now has no way of getting back to the group, or something.
On a sidenote, I really don't understand how some people can apparently hate this show (or any show, for that matter) with such a passion.. and yet keep watching it. Just so they can rant about it week after week, I guess?
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Was I the only one who was waiting for Axel to murder everyone in the prison one by one? Perhaps a serial killer before he went to prison?
The episode got very heated up towards the end though... I liked it! (Even though everyone went to Storm Trooper Shooting School).
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I almost regret reading the comics the last month because the TV series looks so lame in comparison.
That battle scene was sooo incredibad. Everyone wasting bullets like idiots... I feel like some conflicts have to be stretched a lot in order to fill a whole season. It becomes so blatantly obvious that some characters arent very complex, most of them feel very empty. I cant wait for some of them to get killed off so at least the main characters get some room to develop. I feel there are too many meaningless characters.
Its way too much blind stupid hate on each other instead of fighting for resources, fighting for the prison because of its valuable fences to protect your people. and the governor just destroys the gate right at the start of the conflict...
the zombies arent a scary enough threat. I cant wait for them to introduce herds. They just fight to kill each other and everything else is unimportant...
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On February 18 2013 21:55 Krohm wrote:
Why does this show still surprise me when they kill off characters that are very obviously "expendable" in the writers eyes because they're just not that great of writers...
Axel was getting development, I was hoping to see his character expanded because he did seem quite interesting.
Anyway I didn't mind the episode really.
Everyone is expendable. The show isn't killing off enough people.
I'd assume Tyreese's group joins the group at some point but I hope they don't just use that as an opportunity for more fodder. I'd like longer standing members dying at this point.
On February 18 2013 22:22 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I cant wait for them to introduce herds.
They already introduced herds in the season 2 finale.
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*Random complaing about the show not being realistic.*
The show is about fucking zombies lol.
Good episode, better than the first.
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Did I miss something up until now as to why the fuck they would just give up and chill in a prison for ever? Aren't you meant to either look for other human beings or obtain fertile ground and other shit to survive? What about fresh water? Supplies seem to be infinite or atleast in abundance.. I really liked the whole survival bit but nowadays they don't even give a fuck about zombies anymore and only bitch at each other and show us their shitty character's roles that clearly have no depth whatsoever.
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On February 19 2013 00:38 Mementoss wrote:
*Random complaing about the show not being realistic.*
The show is about fucking zombies lol.
Good episode, better than the first.
Again as has been oft repeated in the show, the thrill of the show is the premise of the zombies, and how accurately you can portray humans surviving in a zombie apocalypse. When you have untrained civilians headshotting zombies like it's nothing, it takes away from what you would consider a realistic portrayal of the scenario.
On February 19 2013 00:55 fartosis77 wrote:
Did I miss something up until now as to why the fuck they would just give up and chill in a prison for ever? Aren't you meant to either look for other human beings or obtain fertile ground and other shit to survive? What about fresh water? Supplies seem to be infinite or atleast in abundance.. I really liked the whole survival bit but nowadays they don't even give a fuck about zombies anymore and only bitch at each other and show us their shitty character's roles that clearly have no depth whatsoever.
And on the flip side of the coin, the people in the movies are not seasoned zombie hunting veterans. A zombie apocalypse cannot exist in our 2013 world because mainstream society knows exactly how to deal with it, because we're all "professional zombie apocalypse survivors", in our eyes at least. I don't think a group of civilians care at all about looking for other human beings to join with. And if they were, they've had countless experiences with looters already telling them other people are a really bad idea. Why do you think Tyreese was rejected? Also, they've already concluded there's the possibility of planting food in the prison grounds.
Can you guys at least have realistic arguments?
This episode was fine. I would love for them to introduce not always one-shotting zombies at some point, but I guess we're have to live with it and it really does push the emphasis away from the zombies a bit and onto the people (even though it's still really bad writing). I can't think of any inconsistencies this time around and it had a good amount of suspense. I really like that none of them are smart enough to actually conceal themselves properly (i.e. guy in prison tower stands instead of kneels) since they aren't trained, but a lot of the things they do are still really dumb. But that's people for you.
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On February 19 2013 00:55 fartosis77 wrote:
Did I miss something up until now as to why the fuck they would just give up and chill in a prison for ever? Aren't you meant to either look for other human beings or obtain fertile ground and other shit to survive? What about fresh water? Supplies seem to be infinite or atleast in abundance.. I really liked the whole survival bit but nowadays they don't even give a fuck about zombies anymore and only bitch at each other and show us their shitty character's roles that clearly have no depth whatsoever.
I can kinda agree about there being no zombies, it kinda takes away the tensity of the show, also in the comic they clearly showed an abundance of clean water and tons of food and supplies, i think the only thing they really needed is baby supplies. But the reasoning behind there being no zombies in the show is because i think they are trying to hype up the conflict between ricks group and woodbury... i loved how much more intense the comic was compared to the show, in the events leading up to the attack on the prison there was literally a massive wall mob of zombies pushing against the prison fence. So when they did crash through the gate in the comic it was that much more tense because an ass ton of zombies were killing a lot of people in both groups!
I gotta admit though i thought the conflict between woodbury and the prison would be so much more than it is, lets just hope this isn't the last conflict because there's a lot of people that need dying!
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that shootout was worthy of the A-team. people standing in the open, but nobody hits shit, on the other hand the have no proble to headshot 20 zombies in a row......... so anoying
got ninjad.... :D
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On February 19 2013 01:17 Snotling wrote:
that shootout was worthy of the A-team. people standing in the open, but nobody hits shit..... so anoying
Can't forget the fact everyone is john wayne and dead eyes zombie heads, but then when a survivor vs survivor battle happens, they all run around spraying in the air like its call of duty...
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to be honest, I don't think they wanted to kill them off with guns anyway.
they wanted the walkers to get in and finish them, make it looks like it was the walkers doing and the gun fire was just more or less for bringing in more walkers
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On February 19 2013 01:17 Snotling wrote:
that shootout was worthy of the A-team. people standing in the open, but nobody hits shit..... so anoying
They did hit the guy who was standing on the tower for who knows how long! Took few gunshots though!
But yeah, pretty hilarious fight.
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Lots of people seem to have trouble with the fact that the survivors have trouble hitting the attackers but have an easy time boom headshotting zombies all the time, but I don't think the discrepancy is too tough to explain. When they shoot zombies they are generally very close, like no more than 10 meters, and they don't have to worry about taking cover.
When they were shooting at the other humans it looked like the range was at least twice the distance, and they had to constantly duck to avoid return fire.
It doesn't seem implausible to me at all that their accuracy would be terrible in this situation but not when they are shooting zombies.
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On February 18 2013 15:56 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 14:11 Xivsa wrote:
Narrative weight. So the ideal episode for you is all drama, all the time? Andrea is practically an incarnation of drama writ large and baffling, as you point out, but that's a detriment apparently. The episode had the group struggling to get by without Rick, Rick struggling to get by, Daryl and Merle touching on their childhood and rejoining the gang, and Hershel hopping around trying to keep everyone's shit together for them. Andrea's role was mostly to serve up the governor misdirecting us before launching his assault on the prison. And the episode delivered on the action end as well.
Rick and Glenn will sort themselves out. While Rick especially is waxing melodramatically, neither are damaging to the show. Andrea can be described as baffling, but at least it's somewhat consistent stretching back to Shane. She's in Woodbury for a variety of reasons - her old group abandoned her, she really wants to believe there's a future for the town as shown by her speeches last episode, and I guess the weird connection she has with the governor. You're not really criticizing the episode, but explaining some of the different plot strands in your post. - I want "all drama, all the time"? what? this show is consistently at its worst when it's steeped in what serves as character drama, but the growing issue is that as rick's group becomes more and more adept at killing zombies and ekeing out an existence, there is no choice but to slowly shift the focus further inward towards the character motivations at play, and what becomes more and more clear every episode is that there are no real characters that can carry this series. they're just people, often boring people, stuck in a zombie apocalypse and it makes launching any serious character arcs impossible. that's before you get into how often the writing and direction from scene to scene undermines the ability to take what we do get to see seriously. take the continuing glenn drama for example, specifically the scene with herschel outside the prison. in this episode, glenn and the actor playing him are given the lines and the position of a silly child arguing with his elder. at absolutely no point are we allowed to imagine that glenn will actually go out and make good on his impotent rage, because at the beginning of the scene he explicitly tells herschel he won't. we then go on to a few minutes of utterly pointless restatements of the last episode: glenn is mad. herschel is disapproving. later, we get to see the exact same point-by-point recreation between glenn and maggie, except that maggie tells glenn what a shithead he's being, and it's fairly clear that the show agrees with her. okay, I guess glenn's just randomly an asshole, I guess it helps him show leadership qualities and pretend there's something going on here. - if you can't see that andrea drama is categorically empty drama, I don't really know what to say. "baffling" also isn't a positive character trait, and its consistency of being negative doesn't make it positive. if she was stupid to prove a point, like the show cared one way or the other, it'd be different but it's not, the writers just think we need someone to humanize the governor who is batshit crazypants and no amount of andrea stockholm syndrome changes that. - tepid discussion and glenn being mad isn't "struggling to get by". almost nothing happened this episode, which I am beginning to suspect is an issue that's endemic to the comic main plot where I'm just going to assume that nothing happening to spin out the main plot and sell more issues is a major factor. daryl and merle was cool, but predictable, and honestly we're still seeing some retention of unnecessary drama in that daryl didn't just put a bolt in merle's face when he was menacing relative innocents. rick did nothing all episode, and I mean almost literally nothing. we, the audience, already knew he was crazy and seeing lori...the only thing that happened of any import that originated from him was telling herschel, and that went absolutely nowhere as well. - not...criticizing? wow. I guess I need to start burning robert kirkman in effigy. just curious, when I go point by point and say "rick was boring because..." "glenn was mad but was still boring and stupid because..." and you don't actively disagree with me, you just say I'm summing up the show, have you internalized how awful these characters are while just asking me to deal with it? because as the action gets more standard and keeps slowing down, it is impossible for me to deal with it without making obnoxiously long posts on forums for the purpose of catharsis and shared mocking.
Oh my fucking god, by reading this you must be an absolute genius and I can't wait for you to start writing a series!!! This theoretical series of yours must be the best thing to have ever come across this planet since the internet itself. What are you waiting for? You really should start writing, if you really are as good as this you'd have no problem convincing an HBO to film your show.
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I'm glad they killed off the prison guy because of stuff that happens in the comic.
+ Show Spoiler + I always assumed that he was the dude who cuts off the heads of the little girls. So whenever it showed him alone with people I was always thinking he's probably about to kill them. Now I know that won't happen.
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On February 19 2013 01:49 ChiknAdobo wrote:I'm glad they killed off the prison guy because of stuff that happens in the comic. + Show Spoiler + I always assumed that he was the dude who cuts off the heads of the little girls. So whenever it showed him alone with people I was always thinking he's probably about to kill them. Now I know that won't happen.
+ Show Spoiler +Nah Axel in the comics was the good guy who honestly wanted to join the group and tried to help as much as he could. The person who killed hershels daughters in the comic doesn't even have a tv counterpart, unfortunately, but neither does half of hershels family so....
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