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On December 04 2012 03:12 Hashbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 02:30 Bowzar wrote:
Also Im glad to see that Michone continues being worthless by not speaking... Seriously, say he tried to fucking kill you and that he kidnapped Glenn and Maggie. Is it really that fucking hard? Seriously! So annoying. When Michonne actually talked intelligibly to Rick near the end ("You need me!") it kind of blew my mind. Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 02:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Not trying to spoil anything, but *spoils something* FTFY Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 02:50 ETisME wrote:
I think the governor is just letting Merle act as a spy to go with Daryl to the prison camp and the 'kill your brother' show is just a show to get Daryl's trust Oooh, I like this idea, though I don't think it'll happen this way.
I didn't spoil anything, it was already spoiled if you watched the preview ;p
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On December 04 2012 03:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 03:12 Hashbaz wrote:On December 04 2012 02:30 Bowzar wrote:
Also Im glad to see that Michone continues being worthless by not speaking... Seriously, say he tried to fucking kill you and that he kidnapped Glenn and Maggie. Is it really that fucking hard? Seriously! So annoying. When Michonne actually talked intelligibly to Rick near the end ("You need me!") it kind of blew my mind. On December 04 2012 02:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Not trying to spoil anything, but *spoils something* FTFY On December 04 2012 02:50 ETisME wrote:
I think the governor is just letting Merle act as a spy to go with Daryl to the prison camp and the 'kill your brother' show is just a show to get Daryl's trust Oooh, I like this idea, though I don't think it'll happen this way. I didn't spoil anything, it was already spoiled if you watched the preview ;p
lol, I personally think they show to much in those previews. I would probably be happier without them at all 
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On December 04 2012 03:16 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 03:03 FatChunk wrote:On December 04 2012 02:50 ETisME wrote:
I think the governor is just letting Merle act as a spy to go with Daryl to the prison camp and the 'kill your brother' show is just a show to get Daryl's trust wow i never thought of that. this is a real possibility, i think. In the show they never showed what happened between the scene wher the governor was stabbed and the presentation of Merle as a traitor, so its quite possible. Idk, I thought the governor was simply pissed at Merle for telling him Michonne was dead when she wasn't.
I think its more than pissed. Had Merle told him, she got away, but she's wounded then the governor would be pissed. But lying to him does make it right to question his loyalty.
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On December 04 2012 00:55 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 00:27 Bowzar wrote:On December 03 2012 20:28 Kazeyonoma wrote:
They've really somehow made Andrea unbearable to me, but overall amazing mid season finale.
Michonne protects her, even stays behind when she's ill for months during the cold winter seasons, but guy shows up with a penis and some alcohol, and suddenly Andrea's loyalty goes out the door. Hope she feels like a dumb bitch once she not only realizes that the group attacking them was Rick's group (when she see's Daryll) but that the reason Rick's group attacked wasn't some terrorist bullshit that the Governor is saying, but to rescue their own who were kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and left for dead. Seriously, between hooking up with Rick's arch-nemesis of the season twice now (Shane, now Gov) and nearly killing Daryll when he emerged from the forest in season 2, she has continually been less of a bad ass and more of a cause for turmoil. While Carl on the other hand continues to grow and become Rick #2, yet if we polled the TL crew who would they rather have killed, I'm positive Carl would be the one who will be off'd by fan vote just cuz he doesn't have tits to show the general populace. Maybe this last episode turned some more Carl fans over, but reading the hate on Carl and general love for Andrea is just weird to me. Totally. Why would you want to stay in a safe gated community and live a normal life during a zombie apocalypse when you can go zombie hunting with your seemingly paranoid blood thirsty pal? Of all the reasons to hate Andrea this is the one you chose? I dont like Andrea either but you cant blame her for sleeping with Shane or the Governor. Shane was a valued member of the group and the Governor is loved by everyone in Woodbury and from what she saw he was genuinely a good guy. I pretty much agree, the only reason Michonne doesn't trust the governor is because she snooped around, however, Andrea did not... Andrea just thinks Michonne is a paranoid bitch. Personally, if I was in a Zombie apocalypse and I was stranded, I would join a community of people in a heart beat if it's a chance to return to a somewhat normal life. I will cop flak for this, but I actually like Andrea more than Michonne because she doesn't make radical claims like Michonne does. Obviously Michonne was right in this instance, however, I still think realistically most people wouldn't be able to piece together the clues Michonne got or at the very least, wouldn't make radical claims concerning them. This isn't a qq post, I just really hate how Andrea gets all the hate for being dumb, However, I think she is acting completely normal. Lori... she was hated for a reason because she was an irrational bitch dictated by her hormones. Carl is getting better... probably because his acting isn't as bad due to him growing up a bit. It's still pretty bad though lol xD
The thing about Michonne is that she has a survivors instinct. It is the reason why she survived so long on her own and its her intuition/instinct that made her so hesitant about the Governor, she can smell his bull shit. But Andrea is not able to judge a person's character accurately at all as seen in both Shane and the Governor. She is so naive because of her longing for normalcy. If she just accepted how life is, like Michonne, she might not be used and manipulated by so many scumbag guys. This is the reason why Andrea is annoying to me and Michonne is a bad ass.
I do think it is good to have both a character like Andrea and one like Michonne, but i hope they kill off Andrea because of her stupidity or have her grow as a character. Or another interesting take they can go with is how Andrea's naivety continues to cause problems for others.
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On December 04 2012 03:36 ChiknAdobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 00:55 blug wrote:On December 04 2012 00:27 Bowzar wrote:On December 03 2012 20:28 Kazeyonoma wrote:
They've really somehow made Andrea unbearable to me, but overall amazing mid season finale.
Michonne protects her, even stays behind when she's ill for months during the cold winter seasons, but guy shows up with a penis and some alcohol, and suddenly Andrea's loyalty goes out the door. Hope she feels like a dumb bitch once she not only realizes that the group attacking them was Rick's group (when she see's Daryll) but that the reason Rick's group attacked wasn't some terrorist bullshit that the Governor is saying, but to rescue their own who were kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and left for dead. Seriously, between hooking up with Rick's arch-nemesis of the season twice now (Shane, now Gov) and nearly killing Daryll when he emerged from the forest in season 2, she has continually been less of a bad ass and more of a cause for turmoil. While Carl on the other hand continues to grow and become Rick #2, yet if we polled the TL crew who would they rather have killed, I'm positive Carl would be the one who will be off'd by fan vote just cuz he doesn't have tits to show the general populace. Maybe this last episode turned some more Carl fans over, but reading the hate on Carl and general love for Andrea is just weird to me. Totally. Why would you want to stay in a safe gated community and live a normal life during a zombie apocalypse when you can go zombie hunting with your seemingly paranoid blood thirsty pal? Of all the reasons to hate Andrea this is the one you chose? I dont like Andrea either but you cant blame her for sleeping with Shane or the Governor. Shane was a valued member of the group and the Governor is loved by everyone in Woodbury and from what she saw he was genuinely a good guy. I pretty much agree, the only reason Michonne doesn't trust the governor is because she snooped around, however, Andrea did not... Andrea just thinks Michonne is a paranoid bitch. Personally, if I was in a Zombie apocalypse and I was stranded, I would join a community of people in a heart beat if it's a chance to return to a somewhat normal life. I will cop flak for this, but I actually like Andrea more than Michonne because she doesn't make radical claims like Michonne does. Obviously Michonne was right in this instance, however, I still think realistically most people wouldn't be able to piece together the clues Michonne got or at the very least, wouldn't make radical claims concerning them. This isn't a qq post, I just really hate how Andrea gets all the hate for being dumb, However, I think she is acting completely normal. Lori... she was hated for a reason because she was an irrational bitch dictated by her hormones. Carl is getting better... probably because his acting isn't as bad due to him growing up a bit. It's still pretty bad though lol xD The thing about Michonne is that she has a survivors instinct. It is the reason why she survived so long on her own and its her intuition/instinct that made her so hesitant about the Governor, she can smell his bull shit. But Andrea is not able to judge a person's character accurately at all as seen in both Shane and the Governor. She is so naive because of her longing for normalcy. If she just accepted how life is, like Michonne, she might not be used and manipulated by so many scumbag guys. This is the reason why Andrea is annoying to me and Michonne is a bad ass. I do think it is good to have both a character like Andrea and one like Michonne, but i hope they kill off Andrea because of her stupidity or have her grow as a character. Or another interesting take they can go with is how Andrea's naivety continues to cause problems for others.
Who was to say Shane was wrong with his motives? Shane was a realist, and Andrea sensed that in him.
I don't really see how Andrea is being all that Naive either? Why is it so hard to believe that there are a group of people out their that want to return to a normal life style (Obviously they have made it plausible). Andrea is being taken advantage of, that is true, however she has no reason to suspect it, other than Michonne's radical claims (They would seem far fetched if you didn't see them first hand). Also Andrea doesn't know much about Michonne, infact Andrea even states it when she rages at Michonne for not telling her about her past. Perhaps Andrea doesn't trust Michonne 100%?
So yeah, Andrea is stupid because she wants to stay in a small little community that seem to have sorted shit out, while Michonne wanted to leave so she can go zombie hunting.
Yeah, Andrea is totally dumb...
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On December 03 2012 20:43 abominare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 16:33 blug wrote:
What's up with all the black people entering the show xD The bigger question is why is this series playing highlander with black males. The moment there are two black guys in an episode the longest running one dies. /there can be only one
^^^ This wtf! This show needs more black men. It really is like any other tv show that is not on BET, can't have too many black dudes or the white people will be turned off. lol racism doesn't exist in American media or culture we are so culturally competent nowadays /sarcasm
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On December 04 2012 03:46 blug wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 03:36 ChiknAdobo wrote:On December 04 2012 00:55 blug wrote:On December 04 2012 00:27 Bowzar wrote:On December 03 2012 20:28 Kazeyonoma wrote:
They've really somehow made Andrea unbearable to me, but overall amazing mid season finale.
Michonne protects her, even stays behind when she's ill for months during the cold winter seasons, but guy shows up with a penis and some alcohol, and suddenly Andrea's loyalty goes out the door. Hope she feels like a dumb bitch once she not only realizes that the group attacking them was Rick's group (when she see's Daryll) but that the reason Rick's group attacked wasn't some terrorist bullshit that the Governor is saying, but to rescue their own who were kidnapped, beaten, tortured, and left for dead. Seriously, between hooking up with Rick's arch-nemesis of the season twice now (Shane, now Gov) and nearly killing Daryll when he emerged from the forest in season 2, she has continually been less of a bad ass and more of a cause for turmoil. While Carl on the other hand continues to grow and become Rick #2, yet if we polled the TL crew who would they rather have killed, I'm positive Carl would be the one who will be off'd by fan vote just cuz he doesn't have tits to show the general populace. Maybe this last episode turned some more Carl fans over, but reading the hate on Carl and general love for Andrea is just weird to me. Totally. Why would you want to stay in a safe gated community and live a normal life during a zombie apocalypse when you can go zombie hunting with your seemingly paranoid blood thirsty pal? Of all the reasons to hate Andrea this is the one you chose? I dont like Andrea either but you cant blame her for sleeping with Shane or the Governor. Shane was a valued member of the group and the Governor is loved by everyone in Woodbury and from what she saw he was genuinely a good guy. I pretty much agree, the only reason Michonne doesn't trust the governor is because she snooped around, however, Andrea did not... Andrea just thinks Michonne is a paranoid bitch. Personally, if I was in a Zombie apocalypse and I was stranded, I would join a community of people in a heart beat if it's a chance to return to a somewhat normal life. I will cop flak for this, but I actually like Andrea more than Michonne because she doesn't make radical claims like Michonne does. Obviously Michonne was right in this instance, however, I still think realistically most people wouldn't be able to piece together the clues Michonne got or at the very least, wouldn't make radical claims concerning them. This isn't a qq post, I just really hate how Andrea gets all the hate for being dumb, However, I think she is acting completely normal. Lori... she was hated for a reason because she was an irrational bitch dictated by her hormones. Carl is getting better... probably because his acting isn't as bad due to him growing up a bit. It's still pretty bad though lol xD The thing about Michonne is that she has a survivors instinct. It is the reason why she survived so long on her own and its her intuition/instinct that made her so hesitant about the Governor, she can smell his bull shit. But Andrea is not able to judge a person's character accurately at all as seen in both Shane and the Governor. She is so naive because of her longing for normalcy. If she just accepted how life is, like Michonne, she might not be used and manipulated by so many scumbag guys. This is the reason why Andrea is annoying to me and Michonne is a bad ass. I do think it is good to have both a character like Andrea and one like Michonne, but i hope they kill off Andrea because of her stupidity or have her grow as a character. Or another interesting take they can go with is how Andrea's naivety continues to cause problems for others. Who was to say Shane was wrong with his motives? Shane was a realist, and Andrea sensed that in him. I don't really see how Andrea is being all that Naive either? Why is it so hard to believe that there are a group of people out their that want to return to a normal life style (Obviously they have made it plausible). Andrea is being taken advantage of, that is true, however she has no reason to suspect it, other than Michonne's radical claims (They would seem far fetched if you didn't see them first hand). Also Andrea doesn't know much about Michonne, infact Andrea even states it when she rages at Michonne for not telling her about her past. Perhaps Andrea doesn't trust Michonne 100%? So yeah, Andrea is stupid because she wants to stay in a small little community that seem to have sorted shit out, while Michonne wanted to leave so she can go zombie hunting. Yeah, Andrea is totally dumb...
I'm saying that Andrea is not good at sensing the character of another person. She is like a lot of girls out there who fall for the selfish douchebag who just wants to fuck them, see shane/gov. Either she does sense their bad character, but ignores it because a) she wants penis or b) she wants to believe the world can be normal or her strong desire for points a) and b) blind her from the truth about a person's character. I think that there are a lot of Andrea's in the world so I'm glad they included her in the show, but I still am annoyed by people who act like she does.
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Still enjoying the show but it is starting to turn into just a standard "whats going to happen next" TV drama like 24, which is okay, but some of the great features of the series have been slipping since the first season. For example:
+ Show Spoiler +Dialogue quality--think of the pilot scene with Rick and Shane talking about women in the squad car, or Andrea and her sister fishing and talking about their father. Haven't been any kind of memorable dialogue recently.
+ Show Spoiler +Less attention to movie type horror/suspense and more just twists/surprises now. Trying to think of examples, but lately the attention to detail when trying to create suspense has just been lacking. Think: Rick using matches to navigate down the hospital stairs in the dark; now we get shit like "will the Governor actually rape Maggie or not" and Michonne jumping out of nowhere to slice people.
+ Show Spoiler +Fewer story and plot lines. At this point in the comics there is a TON of stuff happening within the group at the prison, nevermind everything with Woodbury and the Governor. The first season I was impressed with how much additional story they crammed into what was a sparse part of the comics; now its the opposite, they're skimming over a lot and not replacing with anything.
In the end, the net result is that I care less for the characters and would rather watch the episodes at 2x speed so I can just get to the important stuff.
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On December 04 2012 02:29 serum321 wrote:
Edit - Oh, something else that bugged me. New group in the beginning is running, one chick gets bit on the arm, instantly goes limp and has to be drug around. WTF? She was running, then gets bit on the arm, and because of that she can instantly barely walk now?
They don't give a time frame between when she was bitten and when she collapsed in the prison and had to be carried. The zombie bites usually took a day or two to take hold, and she died before they even made it to the safe zone in the prison. It was probably a few days between them reaching the prison and Carl finding them.
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I can understand that. But I'm talking quite literally right after she was bitten. They ALL are RUNNING, one chick gets bit on the arm, and then its oh let me drape my arm over you and start limping in the same scene.
Edit - And I don't believe they were in the prison for a few days, it seemed like they had still pretty much just got there when Carl found them. Rick and co have been gone less than a day, they left in the afternoon and its still the same night. It is possible the other group was in the prison on the other side before they left but that would have meant they were fighting zombies in the prison for at least a day, seems they would have heard them sooner.
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On December 04 2012 05:46 serum321 wrote:
I can understand that. But I'm talking quite literally right after she was bitten. They ALL are RUNNING, one chick gets bit on the arm, and then its oh let me drape my arm over you and start limping in the same scene.
People have different reactions to the bite, I guess. Andrea's sister took one to the shoulder and she immediately went down. T-Dog takes one to the shoulder and he's trucking along for hours and could have probably gone longer before he died.
edit: They don't make any reference to when this happened in relation to Rick and and co leaving. It could have been a week before. They merely decided to introduce them at the particular point where Rick and co were already gone and Carl saves them. It's possible for them to have been down there for any stretch of time without encountering zombies.
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On December 04 2012 03:48 ChiknAdobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 20:43 abominare wrote:On December 03 2012 16:33 blug wrote:
What's up with all the black people entering the show xD The bigger question is why is this series playing highlander with black males. The moment there are two black guys in an episode the longest running one dies. /there can be only one ^^^ This wtf! This show needs more black men. It really is like any other tv show that is not on BET, can't have too many black dudes or the white people will be turned off. lol racism doesn't exist in American media or culture we are so culturally competent nowadays /sarcasm
You are thinking it the wrong way. If you had more black dudes think of how many black dudes you could kill per chapter. Win/win.
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Also, while we're nitpicking, did anyone else think that it was really bloody stupid to have Carl go out into the prison's hallways all on his own after they heard that scream? I mean, even as a group they had trouble fighting off random zombies, not to mention that they had no idea who that was. Surely sending off a little boy with a gun isn't exactly the smartest thing to do?
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On December 04 2012 06:04 Conti wrote:
Also, while we're nitpicking, did anyone else think that it was really bloody stupid to have Carl go out into the prison's hallways all on his own after they heard that scream? I mean, even as a group they had trouble fighting off random zombies, not to mention that they had no idea who that was. Surely sending off a little boy with a gun isn't exactly the smartest thing to do?
Why not, he has done it before and to be fair he is the only one that is even capable of doing anything about it.
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On December 04 2012 02:50 ETisME wrote:
I think the governor is just letting Merle act as a spy to go with Daryl to the prison camp and the 'kill your brother' show is just a show to get Daryl's trust
Wow that'd be cool, but I absolutely doubt it. Maybe you have your opinion because you don't understand why Philip made his verdict. He felt really betrayed that Merle lied to him about Michonne, and with all the talk about his brother he put "1 and 1" together.
On December 04 2012 06:04 Conti wrote:
Also, while we're nitpicking, did anyone else think that it was really bloody stupid to have Carl go out into the prison's hallways all on his own after they heard that scream? I mean, even as a group they had trouble fighting off random zombies, not to mention that they had no idea who that was. Surely sending off a little boy with a gun isn't exactly the smartest thing to do?
Like someone already pointed out: The stupid part was that Hersel was a ridiculous pushover. If they let him go I could see it, or if they tried to stop him I could see it, but essentially they did both in a hugely half-assed manner.
On December 04 2012 03:48 ChiknAdobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 20:43 abominare wrote:On December 03 2012 16:33 blug wrote:
What's up with all the black people entering the show xD The bigger question is why is this series playing highlander with black males. The moment there are two black guys in an episode the longest running one dies. /there can be only one ^^^ This wtf! This show needs more black men. It really is like any other tv show that is not on BET, can't have too many black dudes or the white people will be turned off. lol racism doesn't exist in American media or culture we are so culturally competent nowadays /sarcasm
The main reason I agree with this complaint is because it takes place in Georgia, and Georgia has a pretty large population of them.
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On December 04 2012 05:57 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 05:46 serum321 wrote:
I can understand that. But I'm talking quite literally right after she was bitten. They ALL are RUNNING, one chick gets bit on the arm, and then its oh let me drape my arm over you and start limping in the same scene. People have different reactions to the bite, I guess. Andrea's sister took one to the shoulder and she immediately went down. T-Dog takes one to the shoulder and he's trucking along for hours and could have probably gone longer before he died. edit: They don't make any reference to when this happened in relation to Rick and and co leaving. It could have been a week before. They merely decided to introduce them at the particular point where Rick and co were already gone and Carl saves them. It's possible for them to have been down there for any stretch of time without encountering zombies.
If they were down there for any stretch of time unnoticed and not killing zombies then that means they would have found a place to settle down for awhile and after Carl locks them up tyrese says, "look around, this is the best we've had it in weeks." Doesn't sound like they had time to settle down in the prison. Not saying its not possible, but it sure doesn't seem that way. More evidence pointing toward they haven't settled down since the chick was bitten they have wanted to kill her, but tyrese knows the guy isn't ready to let go yet so they were just trying to get someplace where the dude could say goodbye to her. But anyways I was just talking about how she went limp immediately after bitten. Little nitpicky thing, no big deal, but I was literally screaming at my tv "why are you limping now?"
On December 04 2012 06:04 Conti wrote:
Also, while we're nitpicking, did anyone else think that it was really bloody stupid to have Carl go out into the prison's hallways all on his own after they heard that scream? I mean, even as a group they had trouble fighting off random zombies, not to mention that they had no idea who that was. Surely sending off a little boy with a gun isn't exactly the smartest thing to do?
Thats what made the scene between Carl and Hershell. The smart/"right"/safe thing to do would have been to stay locked up where you know your safe so Hershell tells him he's not going. But Carl already learned from his father its the "right" or "good" thing to do to go investigate, Hershell knows this so he doesn't put up a fight. Its what the show is all about, what is the "right" thing to do.
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the funny part of the episode was when the dude told carol he thought she was a lesbian because she had short hair. How long do u think hes been locked up lol?
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On December 04 2012 06:46 serum321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 06:04 Conti wrote:
Also, while we're nitpicking, did anyone else think that it was really bloody stupid to have Carl go out into the prison's hallways all on his own after they heard that scream? I mean, even as a group they had trouble fighting off random zombies, not to mention that they had no idea who that was. Surely sending off a little boy with a gun isn't exactly the smartest thing to do? Thats what made the scene between Carl and Hershell. The smart/"right"/safe thing to do would have been to stay locked up where you know your safe so Hershell tells him he's not going. But Carl already learned from his father its the "right" or "good" thing to do to go investigate, Hershell knows this so he doesn't put up a fight. Its what the show is all about, what is the "right" thing to do.
But that wasn't the right thing to do. It's like sending an untrained member of your group into the woods at night. Alone. There's a high chance of him dying and practically no gain. It was a bloody stupid thing to do.
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Mid-season break, nooooooooo!
I wonder how Daryl will get out of his situation. I don't think he can die since he's a crowd favorite, and he won't be held prisoner either. Can Rick's handful of guys take on the whole town a second time? Maybe with Tyreese's help, who conveniently brought along some cannon fodder?
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