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eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
December 19 2010 07:22 GMT
#861
Just saw it yesterday, enjoyed it. But there was a part not too far from the beginning where I either fell asleep, or was just confused as to what the hell was going on. I'm not exactly sure which, but the movie picked up and I was good till the end. But I hope the whole planting a dream in his wife wasn't supposed to be a big shocker, cause it was pretty obvious.
How's the weather down there?
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
December 19 2010 08:12 GMT
#862
On December 18 2010 00:43 YoungModerN wrote:
yeah, the ending was real for sure. He only had memories of his kids playing and never seen them turning around, cuz its was memories in his house. When they leave the airport its no longer a dream cuz the first dream was in the plane, so its the real world.


I don't think they're implying that it's still the asian guy's dream. I think they're saying that basically the entire movie was a dream. I'm skeptical on whether it was dream or not but I think that's the point. I also believe it looks a lot more likely that it is a dream just watching how long the top spins and also the fact that his kids are in the SAME spot, wearing the SAME clothes and they're the SAME age. Seems a lot easier to dream up their faces rather than them aging.

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie. I believe I understood it as well as you're meant to but I know if I watched it again, there'd be little things I missed ^^
LB87
Profile Joined October 2010
33 Posts
December 19 2010 08:48 GMT
#863
I thought the point of the ending was to show that he didn't wait to see if the top stopped spinning and he didn't care if he was still dreaming or not. Keeping the same scene of the children was just a necessity to create the uncertainty. Maybe I missed it, but does it ever tell you exactly how long it was since he saw his kids last?
bbsss
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands163 Posts
December 19 2010 09:23 GMT
#864
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.

Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
December 19 2010 09:26 GMT
#865
On December 19 2010 18:23 bbsss wrote:
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.


You said someone with intelligence could have made something out of the wasted potential. What exactly would you do different (so we can get some understanding of constructive criticism in here)?
Hark!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 19 2010 09:26 GMT
#866
On December 19 2010 18:23 bbsss wrote:
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.



So wait, you are saying the movie is for stupid people because it doesn't make any sense to you?

Weak argument man.
Hugoboss21
Profile Joined June 2009
France346 Posts
December 19 2010 09:33 GMT
#867
On December 19 2010 18:23 bbsss wrote:
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.



i think you should go back and watch avatar, should be much easier since this movie doesn"t make any sense, made by a 10 year old and for ppl with a higher IQ then 90 :/
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. --Carl Sagan
-vVvTitan-
Profile Joined August 2010
United States473 Posts
December 19 2010 09:53 GMT
#868
On December 19 2010 16:07 lvatural wrote:
Just saw the film, gotta say I thought it was pretty good.

As for the people arguing about the ending being real or a dream, you're really missing the whole point. It doesn't matter if it's real or not, and the fact that he walked away from his totem before he could ascertain that he was in reality shows that he doesn't care either. It's the whole perception = truth idea, and he just decides that he's going to stick with the "ending" whether or not it's the "Truth." I'm guessing that's why the director made it so ambiguous, to show that what's reality is solely decided by the person who is perceiving it.

Personally, at first I thought someone was invading his dreams using that girl architect. She kept delving into his dreams, asking about his past, and I thought all that train and kids stuff was put in there by her to throw him off....thought she was trying to dig up something about him and Moll or something. But...that theory pretty much died towards the end :/


Finally-- someone who truely understands the movie!

Props to you sir.
vVv.Titan @ vVv-Gaming.com
MG`Odien
Profile Joined December 2010
United States60 Posts
December 19 2010 10:55 GMT
#869
On December 19 2010 16:07 lvatural wrote:
Just saw the film, gotta say I thought it was pretty good.

As for the people arguing about the ending being real or a dream, you're really missing the whole point. It doesn't matter if it's real or not, and the fact that he walked away from his totem before he could ascertain that he was in reality shows that he doesn't care either. It's the whole perception = truth idea, and he just decides that he's going to stick with the "ending" whether or not it's the "Truth." I'm guessing that's why the director made it so ambiguous, to show that what's reality is solely decided by the person who is perceiving it.

Personally, at first I thought someone was invading his dreams using that girl architect. She kept delving into his dreams, asking about his past, and I thought all that train and kids stuff was put in there by her to throw him off....thought she was trying to dig up something about him and Moll or something. But...that theory pretty much died towards the end :/

Took the words right out of my mouth. I pretty much said the same thing to my girlfriend after the movie was over.
MYM.Odien, Gz)odie_us, NeO)gabuAt, ToT)Sawyer(, Sawyer, oDieN
anycolourfloyd
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia524 Posts
December 19 2010 12:55 GMT
#870
my first (and i suppose, most "pure") reaction to it was that it was a good movie, but nothing revolutionary. kept me interested, but i saw nothing that really made an impression on me. thematically, a bit similar to a less groundbreaking version of the matrix. 7/10.

what really pissed me off was the masses of people beating off over it and bowing down before it as the greatest literary creation ever. that it was a piece of genius and that they were part of that genius by watching it. pfft. i've had dreams within dreams before, multiple times. i saw nothing in there i haven't contemplated or read about before, and i wasn't hugely engaged by the execution either.

somebody compared the reaction to avatar, i did to, though i was a lot more frustrated by avatar. from where i sit, inception (and much more so avatar) just indicate that the general public these days are blown away by fancy special effects and pretty colours.

pretty colours in avatar don't save it from being total fucking literary garbage. books and the imagination can create far more interesting scenarios. by this token, i can't view inception as anything other than average.
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 13:48:09
December 19 2010 13:47 GMT
#871
On December 19 2010 18:23 bbsss wrote:
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.



So it could have been thought up by a ten year old... and you couldn't understand it? Yeah, that's all we need to know about you and your opinions.

Anyway, I loved this movie when I saw it over the summer and hopefully I'll be getting it for Christmas.
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
December 19 2010 13:55 GMT
#872
according to michael caine, who plays leo's father in the movie, the ending is real. i don't think it's necessary to be mysterious about it anymore, so i take his word for it.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 14:02:55
December 19 2010 14:02 GMT
#873
On December 19 2010 22:55 buickskylark wrote:
according to michael caine, who plays leo's father in the movie, the ending is real. i don't think it's necessary to be mysterious about it anymore, so i take his word for it.


Read a couple of posts above you. It doesn't matter if the end is in the real world. What matters is that Leo has accepted the world he was in as real.
We know nothing.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 19 2010 14:18 GMT
#874
On December 19 2010 21:55 anycolourfloyd wrote:
my first (and i suppose, most "pure") reaction to it was that it was a good movie, but nothing revolutionary. kept me interested, but i saw nothing that really made an impression on me. thematically, a bit similar to a less groundbreaking version of the matrix. 7/10.

what really pissed me off was the masses of people beating off over it and bowing down before it as the greatest literary creation ever. that it was a piece of genius and that they were part of that genius by watching it. pfft. i've had dreams within dreams before, multiple times. i saw nothing in there i haven't contemplated or read about before, and i wasn't hugely engaged by the execution either.

somebody compared the reaction to avatar, i did to, though i was a lot more frustrated by avatar. from where i sit, inception (and much more so avatar) just indicate that the general public these days are blown away by fancy special effects and pretty colours.

pretty colours in avatar don't save it from being total fucking literary garbage. books and the imagination can create far more interesting scenarios. by this token, i can't view inception as anything other than average.


Must be cool defying mainstream perception just to be different. It isnt a book, it`s a movie. A movie is not a 1:1 book on a screen. Go read your books and let us "general public people" get "blown away" by "fancy special effects". Geez get off your pedestal and relax. It`s not like you lose anything by enjoying the visual side of a movie, or the sound for that matter. It`s not all about the lines.

♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 14:23:03
December 19 2010 14:22 GMT
#875
The actual bare plot isn't great but the cast and director, the special effects, and most of all, the emotions and solipsism explored by the story, between kobb and mo make it amazing.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
MG`Odien
Profile Joined December 2010
United States60 Posts
December 19 2010 16:38 GMT
#876
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buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
December 19 2010 17:16 GMT
#877
On December 19 2010 23:02 Amestir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 22:55 buickskylark wrote:
according to michael caine, who plays leo's father in the movie, the ending is real. i don't think it's necessary to be mysterious about it anymore, so i take his word for it.


Read a couple of posts above you. It doesn't matter if the end is in the real world. What matters is that Leo has accepted the world he was in as real.


oh ok. it's okay to be insane and delusional as long as you accept it as reality.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 19 2010 17:19 GMT
#878
On December 20 2010 02:16 buickskylark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 23:02 Amestir wrote:
On December 19 2010 22:55 buickskylark wrote:
according to michael caine, who plays leo's father in the movie, the ending is real. i don't think it's necessary to be mysterious about it anymore, so i take his word for it.


Read a couple of posts above you. It doesn't matter if the end is in the real world. What matters is that Leo has accepted the world he was in as real.


oh ok. it's okay to be insane and delusional as long as you accept it as reality.


...Way to completely miss the point

We're not saying it's okay, we're saying THATS WHAT HAPPENED. Leo stopped caring about what was reality or not, he just wanted to be with his kids and he did not care whether it was "real" or not.
bbsss
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands163 Posts
December 19 2010 19:58 GMT
#879
@ people saying I didnt understand the movie, read my post again or rethink what you thought you "got" about the movie. I got the points they made just fine they JUST DONT MAKE SENSE TO REASON. Read better and think more ffs.
bbsss
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 20:08:07
December 19 2010 20:06 GMT
#880
On December 19 2010 18:26 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 18:23 bbsss wrote:
I'd rate this movie a 5.5 cos it had good actors and nice settings/special effects. The story is utter crap. I feel sorry for people that say this movie is so awesome and "a mindfuck" even. Really? A mindfuck?
Maybe it's a mindfuck because it doesn't make sense in the slightest. I don't enjoy science fiction that could be thought of by a 10-year old. The whole dream in a dream idea is cool. But the idea that the dreamer notices (by how idioticly: people in the dream noticing) someone else entering a dream and the person himself is protected in a dream is SUCH wasted potential, someone with intelligence could have made something out of that. But I guess that would make the movie too hard for people with an IQ of below 90, thats how I felt, you need to keep urself dumb to really enjoy this movie, so many things don't make sense and if that was all id be okay with it but the movie pretends all that bullshit makes perfect sense.


You said someone with intelligence could have made something out of the wasted potential. What exactly would you do different (so we can get some understanding of constructive criticism in here)?

For instance make the dream collapse when something unlogical happens and the person in the dream starts to notice, not when the "subconsious" (now made into these ridiculous different personae) notices.

Also they should have made the dream levels not go slower in time, but be more vaguely in a logical sense (since that is what happens as you fall deeper asleep) and thus for instance making it more difficult for the person to detect a logical error in the dream or harder/easier for inception to occur.

A great movie that actually makes sense and is ten times over this movie is a movie called eXistenZ. If you can find it, watch it! That movie has sorta the same theme but really does give you a mindfuck compared to this pseudo science fiction because the science part actually makes sense.
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