EPTIt was pretty good overall, but I have my picky complaints. A lot of stuff was sort of brushed aside/unexplained/undeveloped. As others said, the basic premise of industrial sabotage was wtf weak. They should have spent more time developing something more interesting and cut down the action. I agree with the other poster who says that the movie had a bit of an identity crisis (action movie, intellectual movie, something else??). It tried to be an intellectual movie, but then ended up spending way too much time with the characters fighting imaginary people in dreams. I was bothered by the amount of power and precision that was ascribed to the human mind in this movie. For example, it's unbelievable that a single mind could precisely control so many "projections" at once. Also, it's unbelievable that the mind is able to arbitrarily process information hundreds/thousands of times faster with no loss of accuracy or precision just by dreaming within a dream a few times. Also, I might have missed this, but how come in the early part of the movie, the dreamer is able to arbitrarily change the dream world at will (such as physics), but this never happens at all in the rest of the movie (everybody is confined to the physics of the normal world)? Also, the acting and dialog wasn't all that amazing (some of Ellen Page's dialog was a little painful). Finally, I agree that the movie tried too hard to be a "mindfuck" type movie when it actually wasn't and it actually just ended up introducing some dumb plotholes. TBH I'll probably have to watch it again, maybe it was better than I thought and there's probably some subtle stuff I missed the first time through.
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
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Nydus Wurm
United States42 Posts
On January 01 2011 16:40 waxypants wrote: there's probably some subtle stuff I missed the first time through. Like this: ![[image loading]](http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9991/bunnyballoon3ikrf4.gif) | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 31 2010 23:01 undyinglight wrote: As to clarify it was on a different level so the zero gravity wouldn't affect them. This movie was brilliant and had no plotholes. The hotel level had zero gravity. it would make sense that the dream directly below that level wouldn't have gravity either. | ||
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theriv
United States149 Posts
On January 03 2011 11:19 Offhand wrote: The hotel level had zero gravity. it would make sense that the dream directly below that level wouldn't have gravity either. you COULD argue otherwise. But doing so would probably produce a plothole in its self. Either way. it was still badass lol | ||
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iMbc
United States55 Posts
 ...its so epic...yeah some confusion here and there...but EPIC...and the music is amazing ^^ | ||
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AlphaNoodle
United States21 Posts
On January 03 2011 11:19 Offhand wrote: The hotel level had zero gravity. it would make sense that the dream directly below that level wouldn't have gravity either. But the reason there was no gravity is because the world above was in the falling car which had a high forward motion which caused Levitt to feel weightlessness in sleep, therefore he felt anti-gravity in the hotel. However when he was floating around, he felt in a normal state, so in another dream state, he felt like it was normal gravity again and therefore it wasn't also anti-gravity. Like, when he was floating around, its the same as if he was motionless in bed, so it was back to normal gravity and in further dreams below that. That's my take at least. | ||
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OmaplatA
United States33 Posts
Not sure what value there is in trying to pick apart all the plot holes. Yea, it was a complicated story, but not impossible to follow. I was entertained No matter what you think about the movie, Nolan has managed to get you talking about it, and about him The one thing I would criticize him for, something thats been present in all his movies, is rushed editing (even though most are over 2 hrs long). A lot of his scenes jump to the next location while dialogue is still going on from the previous scene. This started bugging me in Batman Begins, and hasn't improved. It's like hes trying to stuff too much into the time he's got...he could stand to simplify his scripts a little | ||
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Ollaf
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ArcticVanguard
United States450 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
In the second level, the dreamer feels the van falling on the first level. This is freefall. For most people, the equivalent of weightlessness. Thus, in the second level, weightlessness occurs. Logically, this should happen on the third too since the dreamer is in the second level, feeling freefall. Either way, it's still a great movie. | ||
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whiteLotus
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On January 04 2011 10:10 whiteLotus wrote: Just finished, realy awesome would watch again. What do you guys think about the ending? was he only dreaming or was it real ?^^ I believe it's supposed to be ambiguous. The top does not fall, but it does wobble. I think the point, as others have stated is that Cobb does not care if it is a dream or not and will accept it how it is as his new reality. Watched this a week or two ago, I thought it was pretty good. I could see the ending coming from a mile away, but I felt the concept and the action were well done. Not as intellectual a movie as many people tried to make me believe, but still enjoyable to watch just for fun. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
Since when does Fischer need to recognize Saito? Weak plot hole. That's one of the least funny college humor videos I've seen, they even need to shoehorn batman in there to get any sort of laugh. And yes, the end scene doesn't matter, he walks away from the totem, he basically told the audience he doesn't care if he's in a dream anymore. The cut-off at the end creates discussion only among people who don't understand story arcs. For those who want to get picky about it, the top wobbles in the last shot, which it did not in prior shots, but whatever that isn't the point of the final scene anyway. He walks. Away. from. the top. | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
On January 04 2011 10:09 neobowman wrote: There's a problem mentioned previously that I'd like to expand on. In the second level, the dreamer feels the van falling on the first level. This is freefall. For most people, the equivalent of weightlessness. Thus, in the second level, weightlessness occurs. Logically, this should happen on the third too since the dreamer is in the second level, feeling freefall. Either way, it's still a great movie. Weight is irrelevant, what matters is the effect on the inner ear. Take for example your keyboard resting on top of your desk. It is at rest with no velocity or acceleration, the force applied downwards by its weight is canceled by the normal force of the desk pushing back against it. Now, instantly switch over to zero gravity, it will still be at rest with no velocity or acceleration changes. That's what happened to everyone that went under on the hotel level. However, for the dreamer of the hotel level he is experiencing the whole joy ride of the van speeding along, sharp turns, slamming into the side of the bridge, then the ground disappearing and his body going into freefall with his seatbelt still straining to hold him in place. That affects his orientation and his inner ear which in turn affects the environment, but the people on the bed or in the chairs aren't feeling all of those velocity/acceleration changes or the forces that cause them. | ||
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Hydrogen
United States12 Posts
Other then that it was a great experiance | ||
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qanik
Denmark1899 Posts
Really good movie, can't wait to watch it again. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On themes of faith, depression, and suicide, the movie offers a very confused outlook. Characters kill with little consequence to save their peers from dream states, but when the wife commits suicide, convinced her reality isn't real, she is accused of abandoning her kids. Is the lesson here that women are bad at telling apart dream from reality? I can't tell. Nolan also seems to think Cartesian doubt is a plausible cause for suicidal depression, which is weirdly insulting in some ways in the completely detached and almost child-like manner the film treats social themes that perhaps require a defter touch. Nolan's science fiction merely recasts the irrational and the insane into a different kind of real. His imagination is a very specific, and almost non-artistic kind that has no trace of the human. Stylistically the entire film has one gear of just constant bombardment. Everyone is always in a hurry doing stuff that I don't understand but seems important. The action is nice, even if doesn't always make sense. Nolan's deficiencies however are hard to ignore. The plot is not really complicated as much as it is good at creating new trivial shit that complicates it for no reason. Overall a pretty entertaining movie but not much beyond that. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On themes of faith, depression, and suicide, the movie offers a very confused outlook. Characters kill with little consequence to save their peers from dream states, but when the wife commits suicide, convinced her reality isn't real, she is accused of abandoning her kids. Is the lesson here that women are bad at telling apart dream from reality? I can't tell. . Your post is a gem, I appreciate your opinions on the matter but I think you grossly misinterpreted this segment of the movie. The wife commits suicide in the real world, which had much stronger implications than waking someone up from a dream by shooting them. I don't remember an action scene in the real world in this movie... Was there one? They seemed to be shooting people that were just images from the dreams rather than real people anyway. You can make opinion posts about a movie without this type of evidence anyway, you don't need to explain why you have a certain opinion about a movie, thats the beauty of an opinion... If you choose to try to justify your opinions... Make sure you actually pay attention to the movie. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS PLOTHOLE. All the dream levels have diff times, the kid from angels in the outfield's inital cue during the first dream was the music right? He heard music then broadcasted other music to the rest of them in the dreams. However If time is distorted like that, then either the person hearing the music in the previous levels where time moves faster SHOULD NOT be able to comprehend the entire song. Either it would go by in a flash or come in broken pieces of however the fuck timetravel works, Either way, 3 minutes of song does not = an hour or whatever the fuck in the snow level from Bond. This movie was alright and it is very visually impressive but the amount of "brilliance" is lackluster and pretty fucking stupid. It's like if I said 2+2=7 and then made a cool 2 hour movie explaning how it did indeed = 7 by adding in ATVs and snowcommandos my movie would only be entertaining and not mindblowingly brilliant because I just decided to make a universe where whatever the fuck I wanted to do was done. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On January 04 2011 09:57 ArcticVanguard wrote: 9/10. Complicated story, might need to rewatch to catch the details and the subtle nuances of the story. I enjoyed it a lot though, and it was a good movie. Would buy. The most complicated part of the story is how we were suppossed to buy that a bunch of people can just jump into your dreams to steal your darkest secrets in PDF format. They get the ipad brain edition with dream-reader in that mystery IV? what the fuck | ||
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