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On July 18 2010 14:05 Chrispy wrote:Yo Matrix, Imma let you finish but Inception had the best fight scene of all time! Just saw this movie, my mind kind of hurts but 1) That no gravity fight scene was fucking sweet. 2) The baddies are so god damn bad at aim. What is that, 1/10000 bullets that hit their target? 3) What even happened at the end. Gotta read through all the theorycrafting here. + Show Spoiler +Oh and when they crushed their brains under the train they had young faces, but wouldn't they be like 80 by then?
I'll spoiler that to be nice but really, don't check this thread out if you haven't seen it.
+ Show Spoiler +Don't you remember near the end when he tells mal that she doesn't remember all the time they spent together, and that they had gotten old together. Then it showed their hands all aged when they were lying on the train tracks
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gah i don't get this movie :d
i was never one to always get the plot
i was so tired awtching it today
all i know is it would do me a lot of good to just watch it a second time and go over it again rite
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On July 18 2010 04:06 Smorrie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 03:56 Xeris wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Also, wouldn't it make more sense, for uh , "mind defense" instead of randomly creating guys with guns, to train yourself to make yourself realize it's a dream... or to have like an auto suicide mechanic trained into your brain so you just die and wake up immediately.
+ Show Spoiler +That's why they dive in multiple levels, to make him lose perception of what is reality and what is not. + Show Spoiler +Yep, Smorrie is exactly right. That's why there are guys shooting at the team in the first level of dream - because Fischer knows that his subconscious mind is being invaded. However, in the second level., Cobb successfully convinces Fischer that they were in a state of reality and thus Fischer actually helps the team invade his mind. He can't really train himself to realize that it's a dream as he dives deeper, since the perception of reality and dream gets completely lost.
Also, about limbo not being a bad thing, I guess Xeris brings up an interesting point. But having to deal with the fact that it's all just a dream and not the reality as we know it, the dreamers have a really difficult time dealing with that. It's unfortunate that Cobb's inception on his wife completely messed everything up though. He meant to purely help her, but man, it just had to stay within her mind even in true reality.
I personally liked the ending. We don't know for sure if the ending was a dream or a reality but I can live with that. There are opposing clues as to what happened. Saito, in the limbo state, grabs Cobb's handgun and makes it look like he's about to shoot him. If he did, they would both be stuck in limbo and the entire ending is just a dream. However, if Cobb convinced Saito to escape back to reality, then it's all of sudden a really happy ending.
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On July 18 2010 14:49 Nal_rAwr wrote: gah i don't get this movie :d
i was never one to always get the plot
i was so tired awtching it today
all i know is it would do me a lot of good to just watch it a second time and go over it again rite What exactly don't you get? I can try to explain some stuff
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On July 18 2010 14:46 Lycaeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 14:05 Chrispy wrote:Yo Matrix, Imma let you finish but Inception had the best fight scene of all time! Just saw this movie, my mind kind of hurts but 1) That no gravity fight scene was fucking sweet. 2) The baddies are so god damn bad at aim. What is that, 1/10000 bullets that hit their target? 3) What even happened at the end. Gotta read through all the theorycrafting here. + Show Spoiler +Oh and when they crushed their brains under the train they had young faces, but wouldn't they be like 80 by then?
I'll spoiler that to be nice but really, don't check this thread out if you haven't seen it. + Show Spoiler +Don't you remember near the end when he tells mal that she doesn't remember all the time they spent together, and that they had gotten old together. Then it showed their hands all aged when they were lying on the train tracks
Oh okay I must've missed that detail thanks. ^^
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On July 18 2010 13:21 Man.Magic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Did Cobb wake up at the end of the end of the movie? + Show Spoiler +No, not based on my interpretation of the end of it. At the end, of the movie you see his father in law move to the table where the top is spinning, and I think he flick the top over. This brings up again the importance of knowing the trick to a totem.
Cobbs totem is simple, it's a divining top and if you are in your dream it never stops spinning. When he left the top it was spinning, and his father in law knocks it over when Cobb isn't looking. Cobb comes back to the top laying on his side and that confirms for him that he is not dreaming. The top will never spin endlessly again because the top is a creation of his own mind and his own mind controls how the top functions.
How does his father in law know about the top? Cobb told the girl, who is his student. Other evidence that supports this is how quickly she is able to grasp her role of Architect. In a movie like this I think that this fits her character's ability more than "she's a prodigy so it works."
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+ Show Spoiler + I believe he is awake at the end. I watched the credits to see if there was any special extra tid bit at the end and I saw this:
Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years) Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)
Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years) Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)
He had two separate castings for the kids and it explicitly states that they have in fact aged, making the point of them being apparently the same age when he wakes up false.
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+ Show Spoiler +The movie itself is an 'inception' for the audience. Consider the state of your mind when you're immersed in a great book, a great game, or a great film. If you are like me, you are absorbed, spellbound, captive to the imagery and almost separated from conscious thought. When something unusual happens, say a particularly bad line, the end of a chapter, or a lull, we might momentarily 'awaken' from this entranced state to remind ourselves that this is just book, just a game, just a movie - though only to return, some moments later. At the end of the story, we return to waking life. This is analogous to the dream state during sleep and the subsequent awakening and affirmation of reality. Thus, in our cinema-induced dream state, Inception plants the idea within our minds: that this world of dreams isn't real, that at the end, the lights undim and the credits roll. Or this is just a bunch of pretentious rambling 
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On July 18 2010 15:09 Kuja900 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I believe he is awake at the end. I watched the credits to see if there was any special extra tid bit at the end and I saw this:
Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years) Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)
Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years) Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)
He had two separate castings for the kids and it explicitly states that they have in fact aged, making the point of them being apparently the same age when he wakes up false.
Wait was there more at the end? like an extra scene at all?
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On July 18 2010 16:04 FraCuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:09 Kuja900 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I believe he is awake at the end. I watched the credits to see if there was any special extra tid bit at the end and I saw this:
Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years) Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)
Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years) Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)
He had two separate castings for the kids and it explicitly states that they have in fact aged, making the point of them being apparently the same age when he wakes up false. Wait was there more at the end? like an extra scene at all?
No I was checking for one and there wasn't but I saw that in the credits.
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On July 18 2010 16:04 FraCuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:09 Kuja900 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I believe he is awake at the end. I watched the credits to see if there was any special extra tid bit at the end and I saw this:
Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years) Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)
Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years) Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)
He had two separate castings for the kids and it explicitly states that they have in fact aged, making the point of them being apparently the same age when he wakes up false. Wait was there more at the end? like an extra scene at all?
naw there was nothing else. also, is magnus nolan christopher nolan's son or something?
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Just got back from watching it and it was definitely worth the movie. One of the better movies I've seen this year. I had a feeling that sort of ending would happen and I'm glad that it ended that way. Loved the audience's reaction to that ending and someone even yelled out, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO". hahaha.
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On July 18 2010 16:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The movie itself is an 'inception' for the audience. Consider the state of your mind when you're immersed in a great book, a great game, or a great film. If you are like me, you are absorbed, spellbound, captive to the imagery and almost separated from conscious thought. When something unusual happens, say a particularly bad line, the end of a chapter, or a lull, we might momentarily 'awaken' from this entranced state to remind ourselves that this is just book, just a game, just a movie - though only to return, some moments later. At the end of the story, we return to waking life. This is analogous to the dream state during sleep and the subsequent awakening and affirmation of reality. Thus, in our cinema-induced dream state, Inception plants the idea within our minds: that this world of dreams isn't real, that at the end, the lights undim and the credits roll. Or this is just a bunch of pretentious rambling  + Show Spoiler +There are just so many different takes its insane. Like its all an inception from his step dad to make Cobbs at peace, same deal but with Ellen Page (did she know the function of Cobb's totem?), saito killed him in his limbo and sent him into a deeper limbo, was a dream the whole time since things like the alley scene where he tried to squeeze through were quite dream like etc etc. Christopher Nolan has a first class mind fuck here and I absolutely loved it.
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On July 18 2010 16:07 Nitrogen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:04 FraCuS wrote:On July 18 2010 15:09 Kuja900 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I believe he is awake at the end. I watched the credits to see if there was any special extra tid bit at the end and I saw this:
Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years) Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)
Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years) Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)
He had two separate castings for the kids and it explicitly states that they have in fact aged, making the point of them being apparently the same age when he wakes up false. Wait was there more at the end? like an extra scene at all? naw there was nothing else. also, is magnus nolan christopher nolan's son or something?
Lot of kids in movies are the director/producer etc's kids its fairly common I believe.
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On July 18 2010 16:09 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The movie itself is an 'inception' for the audience. Consider the state of your mind when you're immersed in a great book, a great game, or a great film. If you are like me, you are absorbed, spellbound, captive to the imagery and almost separated from conscious thought. When something unusual happens, say a particularly bad line, the end of a chapter, or a lull, we might momentarily 'awaken' from this entranced state to remind ourselves that this is just book, just a game, just a movie - though only to return, some moments later. At the end of the story, we return to waking life. This is analogous to the dream state during sleep and the subsequent awakening and affirmation of reality. Thus, in our cinema-induced dream state, Inception plants the idea within our minds: that this world of dreams isn't real, that at the end, the lights undim and the credits roll. Or this is just a bunch of pretentious rambling  + Show Spoiler +There are just so many different takes its insane. Like its all an inception from his step dad to make Cobbs at peace, same deal but with Ellen Page (did she know the function of Cobb's totem?), saito killed him in his limbo and sent him into a deeper limbo, was a dream the whole time since things like the alley scene where he tried to squeeze through were quite dream like etc etc. Christopher Nolan has a first class mind fuck here and I absolutely loved it.
+ Show Spoiler +definitely. i can totally forgive all of the details that people nitpicked, as i was much more interested in the presentation of the dream world as a whole, or the dream world as the container of the movie itself. it's too bad there wasn't much character development beyond Cobb/Mol and Ariadne.
Speaking of Ariadne, her name is a clue: in Greek myth, Ariadne is the queen of Crete who gave Theseus the ball of yarn to find his way out of the labyrinth. See where i'm going with this? The labyrinth is the architectural maze of the dream, and Ariadne is the architect created inside Cobb's mind by his father, in an attempt to lead him out of the dream world he's trapped in.
i need to watch this movie again hahah
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+ Show Spoiler +aha this movie is good and makes for a great convo!!! For sure cobbs is in his dream state near the end. Before I thought more into it, I noticed that when they wake up on the plane...arthur and ariane don't check their totems at all they are just happy...hmmm??!
So I thought cobbs was still in limbo but after digging the movie got weirder ><. Now its a dream withn a dream within a dream. Cobbs is super deep inside his own world and creates his team to help him including saito whom miraculously can change cobbs future by phone call :o???!! Somethings fishy
Also about the whole kids and aging thing...with credits, well its cobbs own limbo so he has changed it and created a whole new one where he makes his kids and makes himself a perfect ending
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On July 18 2010 16:09 Kuja900 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are just so many different takes its insane. Like its all an inception from his step dad to make Cobbs at peace, same deal but with Ellen Page (did she know the function of Cobb's totem?), saito killed him in his limbo and sent him into a deeper limbo, was a dream the whole time since things like the alley scene where he tried to squeeze through were quite dream like etc etc. Christopher Nolan has a first class mind fuck here and I absolutely loved it. + Show Spoiler +At the very end of the credits, its a lady singing "Dream the impossible dream" in french, right? Possibly a hint that a french lady is helping cobb do that.
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I don't know if this was mentioned in the thread so far, but
+ Show Spoiler +Marion Cotillard, the actress who played his dead wife, was the star of La Vie En Rose, which was the life story of the famous French singer Edith Piaf. The music that the characters play to each other in Inception, is the main song that features in La Vie En Rose, "Je Ne Regrette Rien" (I regret nothing).
Possibly there's a clue there, or maybe it's just a nod to Marion Cotillard's other work, but interesting nonetheless.
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I've been excited for this movie for a while now. I will hopefully see it sometime this week!
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On July 18 2010 23:33 QueueQueue wrote: I've been excited for this movie for a while now. I will hopefully see it sometime this week!
Do it! Do it nooow!! But just don't read or watch anything about it in advance, if you can avoid doing so.
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