EPT[The International 9] Main Event - Day 2 - Page 36
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Rufus Dupres
Germany1071 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:23 Dracolich70 wrote: But they are essentially just players that are poached by some of the top teams. OG is responsible for most of them; Ana, Topson, Cr1t-, and Miracle-. GH poached? From whom? Every team created a bunch of star players. Matu and MC can also be added to Liquid. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:27 Dracolich70 wrote: To answer the question asked by the panel. It has become a psychological barrier for Secret and VP, which seeds doubt. It has happened so many times, that it becomes the self-fulfilled prophecy of making it harder for themselves to succeed at TI. We can't really say that's really it as we never have a glimpse of their mentality nor have we seen them play 10 hours in a personal camera hearing everything they say. Other teams could just have been better each TI. That's it. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:27 goody153 wrote: Nisha, Ace, CCNC, 33, Abed, DJ. Plenty of other teams have managed to gain new blood and not just OG lol Crit isn't even new afaik It's a matter of cycling out the players that are "okay" but has been figured out and bringing in someone hungry enough to put in the work. Biggest change, which no one has mentioned, is Coaches being able to Draft. That changed everything in the scene. There are only about 6 good drafters playing at any time, but there's a good chunk more coach-class guys around that can draft by don't have the playing skill. That normalized the scene a lot. Especially as your captain isn't blamed for a bad draft anymore. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:28 Rufus Dupres wrote: GH poached? From whom? Every time created a bunch of star players. Matu and MC can also be added to Liquid. Matu is actually not new. He was waaay back during the c9 owning era(that's like 5-6 years ago) And he not mentioning the original new blood poucher. EG and Secret with w33ha, Suma1l, arteezy etc | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:28 Rufus Dupres wrote: He was like most of TL playing in Balkan Bears at some point. But i am not sure if you misunderstand the word.GH poached? From whom? Every time created a bunch of star players. Matu and MC can also be added to Liquid. | ||
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
Yes, they reserve a certain number of slots per region anymore, but EU took the biggest hit for that and at the time was kind of bad save for Secret who it could be argued wasn’t really an EU team at that point. | ||
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CA Infraction
United States170 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:28 Rufus Dupres wrote: GH poached? From whom? Every team created a bunch of star players. Matu and MC can also be added to Liquid. I wouldn't put matu in the same caliber of player as the other guys on that list tbh (and topson shouldn't be either) | ||
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Rufus Dupres
Germany1071 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:30 goody153 wrote: Matu is actually not new. He was waaay back during the c9 owning era(that's like 5-6 years ago) And he not mentioning the original new blood poucher. EG and Secret with w33ha, Suma1l, arteezy etc That sounds more like Fata, Matu was not with C9 as far as I can remember. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
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goody153
44274 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:31 Rufus Dupres wrote: That sounds more like Fata, Matu was not with C9 as far as I can remember. You misunderstand me. 4anchors and 1 captain was where Matu was part of. Which was back when c9 got like 12-15 2nd places lol So matu was already there around post-ti4. He had no success till around joining liquid with kuro | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:28 goody153 wrote: I don't think it is really relevant what they say. Results and the patterns speak for themselves.We can't really say that's really it as we never have a glimpse of their mentality nor have we seen them play 10 hours in a personal camera hearing everything they say. Other teams could just have been better each TI. That's it. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:32 Dracolich70 wrote: I don't think it is really relevant what they say. Results and the patterns speak for themselves. If we stick to results and patterns then we have them just getting outplayed by the other teams. That's the only logical reason then. Honestly armchair analysis don't work without seeing their workaround cause if we say it is their atmosphere or their communication without us seeing it then it is just baseless assumptions. Saying that they just outplayed and outskilled at TI isn't baselss assumption. It is pretty much fact | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:32 Dracolich70 wrote: I don't think it is really relevant what they say. Results and the patterns speak for themselves. And let's not forget that painting a huge target on your back during the regular season can be detrimental once TI happens. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:34 nojok wrote: And let's not forget than painting a huge target on your back during the regular season can be detrimental once TI happens. This too. I just heard from the panel one of the eliminated players saying if somebody is owning. Everybody watches their replays. | ||
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goody153
44274 Posts
who has the better draft ? i can't tell | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:36 goody153 wrote: anyways back to the game who has the better draft ? i can't tell Who cares? Flash is maybe playing his last professional series right now. | ||
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CA Infraction
United States170 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:28 goody153 wrote: We can't really say that's really it as we never have a glimpse of their mentality nor have we seen them play 10 hours in a personal camera hearing everything they say. Other teams could just have been better each TI. That's it. To your last part I think that was absolutely the case for last TI. Heading into TI despite VP being number 1 in DPC it felt like them liquid and LGD were all neck and neck and secret was slightly behind them (supermajor kind of backs that up) then TI comes around and 2 new teams are formed that come out of no where and jump into that category. Suddenly VP and secret get 5-6th and everyone says they choked. But if you look at who they lost to it was LGD and EG for for VP and EG and Liquid for Secret. Neither of those results look odd with the information we have now from how EG performed right after TI. Last year wasn't like OG ti6 where they lost to a team that was not on their level and got hot for a day. Both teams just lost close series vs teams of equal strength but everyone likes to keep parroting the narrative that they choked when they didn't | ||
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Rufus Dupres
Germany1071 Posts
On August 21 2019 19:32 goody153 wrote: 4anchors and 1 captain was where Matu was part of. Which was back when c9 got like 12-15 2nd places lol So matu was already there around post-ti4. He had no success till around joining liquid with kuro Ok, but this can be said from nearly everyone mentioned on that list ana, w33haa, Miracle, Topson they all were playing for some teams before without having success. The only one coming out directly on a top team without having any stints on another Team before is actually Sumail(if Liquipedia is correct). | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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