EPT[ESL] 2018 Birmingham Major - Group Stage Day 1 - Page 12
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Lucumo
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babysimba
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On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote: VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong. If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG? | ||
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Lucumo
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Already on the way back. (To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).) | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 24 2018 00:51 Lucumo wrote: Already on the way back. (To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).) They still have 3 SEA players, liquid have 2 Middle East players, EG have 2 EU players, hell even DC was considered a NA team with a single American. It's just the way of professional (e) sport. I don't think the Spanish are angry because Ronaldo and Messi aren''t Spanish. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
Godlike rat decision EG goes home 0-3 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
To be able to view facebook streams in VLC (or just directly on this page) | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote: Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time. Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times. | ||
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Darpa
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 24 2018 01:08 MrCon wrote: https://esl.atx.sx/# To be able to view facebook streams in VLC (or just directly on this page) Thank you, I was getting tired of BSJ as the facebook streams were not working well for me (first time it happens, it was fine the previous tourneys). | ||
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Lucumo
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On May 24 2018 01:05 nojok wrote: They still have 3 SEA players, liquid have 2 Middle East players, EG have 2 EU players, hell even DC was considered a NA team with a single American. It's just the way of professional (e) sport. I don't think the Spanish are angry because Ronaldo and Messi aren''t Spanish. Who is the third player if you exclude EE, Universe and pieliedie? Yeah, one can't take the NA teams seriously anyway, considering they hire from Europe all the time. I was similarly sad when W33ha joined Pain Gaming, even though I like the guy. It's nice to see struggling regions do well with players of their own. If they import players, then what's the point of regions? Coaches are fine, doesn't matter where they are from. On May 24 2018 01:12 nojok wrote: Thank you, I was getting tired of BSJ as the facebook streams were not working well for me (first time it happens, it was fine the previous tourneys). Do it like me and watch the Russians streams. Don't understand a word but that doesn't matter, haha. | ||
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550
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i would tell them to straight up ban Lesh in addition to the normal ones vs VP/VGJS/Liquid/Optic/EG/etc its even better than doom IMO, the addition of Aeon disk, the reworked mechanics of Mana Regen.. oh well i guess theres abit too many tier S heroes in the game anyways (like 5/6 first pick/ban material) | ||
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Nocticate
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Chillander
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On May 24 2018 00:38 550 wrote: at that point of time I think he means there should be less invites and more qualifier spots, I agree in that as well | ||
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550
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babysimba
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On May 24 2018 01:10 StarVe wrote: i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time. Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times. The sumail rtz duo had a greedy offlaner then. Pretty pointless to blame EG's supports when they are starved for gold and xp the entire game. Every other team have active pos1 and/or pos2 to contribute back to the team with their rotations after laning phase. Their supports can fight alongside their high networth cores to take good fights and leech teamfight gold & xp. Whereas in EG, their supports are reduced to mere scouting and counter initiating heroes while their cores are playing farm simulator. Just move Sumail back to mid and Fear to offlane. He plays a great tempo mid. Fear is capable of playing a sacrificial core role. Rtz is no longer as greedy as 2 years back. This will re-enable their supports to actually do stuff in game. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 24 2018 01:25 babysimba wrote: The sumail rtz duo had a greedy offlaner then. Pretty pointless to blame EG's supports when they are starved for gold and xp the entire game. Every other team have active pos1 and/or pos2 to contribute back to the team with their rotations after laning phase. Their supports can fight alongside their high networth cores to take good fights and leech teamfight gold & xp. Whereas in EG, their supports are reduced to mere scouting and counter initiating heroes while their cores are playing farm simulator. Just move Sumail back to mid and Fear to offlane. He plays a great tempo mid. Fear is capable of playing a sacrificial core role. Rtz is no longer as greedy as 2 years back. This will re-enable their supports to actually do stuff in game. Fear already played a lot of sacrificial cores, though, with Sumail taking over mid before EG tried out hard carry Medusa Fear recently. The results weren't great either. Misery is drafting, supports should direct early rotations, etc. If this is the best they can do then the captain is doing a bad job. The whole team should be on board with the game plan. You can't shift the blame solely to the cores. Unless the cores are explicitly doing the opposite of what they agreed upon, then the team might as well disband already. Maybe RTZ isn't as greedy, but he isn't having an impact either. I don't see any synergy between Arteezy and Sumail the way other cores enable each other. | ||
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Snakesneaks
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On May 24 2018 01:34 Snakesneaks wrote: eg vg and newbee are gradually worsening. i suspect it because of consecutive tournaments they participate in. should have take a break and doing bootcamp instead, perhaps ? vg n newbee got hit really hard by that comeback gold nerf they used to be solid t1 team that always irons out any bad early games vs t2 teams with some proper teamfight now.. they just outdated, and its hard to adapt a playstyle you've been good at for years the gold changes really uproots the old pros away | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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babysimba
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On May 24 2018 01:32 StarVe wrote: Fear already played a lot of sacrificial cores, though, with Sumail taking over mid before EG tried out hard carry Medusa Fear recently. The results weren't great either. Misery is drafting, supports should direct early rotations, etc. If this is the best they can do then the captain is doing a bad job. The whole team should be on board with the game plan. You can't shift the blame solely to the cores. Unless the cores are explicitly doing the opposite of what they agreed upon, then the team might as well disband already. Those Sumail mid games were not your standard mid heroes. It was Sumail's offlane hero pool that tend to be more static farming heroes. They just place him mid because of better lane matchups. It is 2018. Supports do not micro manage their cores. Miracle and Maybe are currently the best pos1 and pos 2 respectively not because they have good mechanical skills, but because they have the game sense to read the game and move around the map efficiently, identify strong timing windows to brute force objectives. Those are stuff that needs to be done from the cores' perspective, not supports'. | ||
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