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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Welcome to Birmingham Dota! :D
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Most boring : Group B
Most interesting : Group C
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hoho yes team spirit is in! good old time VP (minus lil) where I can cheer for them without the bandwagoners.
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Certainly not an unpopular opinion but come on... how is this a format for a major in any way? 1 bo1 and 1 bo3 and you are out. Congrats, you played vs a team on equal footing and lost a hard fought out bo1. GL playing VP in the next bo3 since they got cheesed into the elimination match (VP just as an example). This format is more like a gamble than anything else. Can't wait for valve to adjust the rules for next years DPC.
but enough of that. hope we see some exciting dota at least.
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seems like the teams are at the hotel or internet café. watching some pubs with paparazi, rtz, old eleven, crit etc. and they are all disconnected in their respective pub 
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Good schedule for games, Imma watch at work >.<
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On May 22 2018 17:12 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Most boring : Group B
Most interesting : Group C
Why is group B boring? We get to see how Pain (the only legitimate SA team) are progressing with w33 and Vici just came third in a major, plus the reigning TI champs are fresh after resting through MDL. Also OG showed signs of improvement at MDL.
All three groups are interesting imo, there is no clear cut top 2 for any of them.
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On May 22 2018 18:30 Sloke wrote:
Certainly not an unpopular opinion but come on... how is this a format for a major in any way? 1 bo1 and 1 bo3 and you are out. Congrats, you played vs a team on equal footing and lost a hard fought out bo1. GL playing VP in the next bo3 since they got cheesed into the elimination match (VP just as an example). This format is more like a gamble than anything else. Can't wait for valve to adjust the rules for next years DPC.
but enough of that. hope we see some exciting dota at least.
I wonder if ESL has a competition for shittiest event format and the winner gets their format used in the upcoming major
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
On May 22 2018 20:27 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2018 17:12 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Most boring : Group B
Most interesting : Group C Why is group B boring? We get to see how Pain (the only legitimate SA team) are progressing with w33 and Vici just came third in a major, plus the reigning TI champs are fresh after resting through MDL. Also OG showed signs of improvement at MDL. All three groups are interesting imo, there is no clear cut top 2 for any of them.
Things can be very easy, if u have 1 million to bet, and there is win survive, lose u dead, which team match u will put ur bet:
Liquid vs Pain?
Optic vs LFY?
Mineski vs LFY?
Mineski vs Newbee?
I think you got the answer, OBVIOUSLY, lol.
Match become boring when one team is few grades higher than their counterpart.
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Regardless of if Fnatic wins, comes in last place, or anywhere in between, fuck this format and fuck ESL because of their shitty Facebook stream which I can never get to work on my phone
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On May 22 2018 17:17 Vertical wrote:
hoho yes team spirit is in! good old time VP (minus lil) where I can cheer for them without the bandwagoners.
Glad to see Illidan back in the cockpit after goofing off in western Europe for so long. Team Spirit might actually be on track to be the next best thing in CIS. With Navi in a sad state, VP already going to TI, Vega Squadron kinda down and out, Empire barely being a team right now, and the relatively new FlyToMoon being the only respectable team left, I think TS get to TI at least through the qualifiers. If the can place high in both these events (they go to Super Major too), even better.
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On May 22 2018 20:27 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2018 17:12 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Most boring : Group B
Most interesting : Group C Why is group B boring? We get to see how Pain (the only legitimate SA team) are progressing with w33 and Vici just came third in a major, plus the reigning TI champs are fresh after resting through MDL. Also OG showed signs of improvement at MDL. All three groups are interesting imo, there is no clear cut top 2 for any of them.
having w33 will only have them win 1 more game
SA still sucks and should redistributed the slot elsewhere or merged back with NA
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Bo1 always a shitty format
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Only the first match is Bo1. Though you can lose 3 games and be out of the Tournament. (Though ESL would counter this was the best they could do with the issues that cropped up.)
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On May 23 2018 16:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Only the first match is Bo1. Though you can lose 3 games and be out of the Tournament. (Though ESL would counter this was the best they could do with the issues that cropped up.)
Esl always have some shitty excuse, mdl had a 2 Day group stage that was good. But esl took a format that takes the same time to execute and is far worse.
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What a strange format. This secondary group stage seems like a cheap excuse to have a few more "top-tier" matches. Oh well, still hoping Liquid can finally get that major win.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Lets goooooo!!!! Rtc Babevski in Birmingham <3
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On May 23 2018 18:48 Pandemona wrote:
Lets goooooo!!!! Rtc Babevski in Birmingham <3
First time we've seen EG in a while.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
FFS video goes down on esl tv main sntream as draft starts which is 10 minutes late. ESL !!!!
Ok back up quickly, i don't mind..
3 core bans from Fnatic, 3 support bans from EG
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On May 23 2018 19:09 Pandemona wrote:
FFS video goes down on esl tv main sntream as draft starts which is 10 minutes late. ESL !!!!
Multi-stream working for me.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wisp back for EG, woop!
Wow second pick morphling in response to the first pick gyro by Fnatic i guess.
Well EG need to win this lane hard for Morph if not how do they win when Gyro will be online way earlier than any of there heroes and without Morph they don't deal that much damage? Doom will also need a good lane to make sure he at least can right click a few heroes in team fights xD
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gyro ember dusa, 5/7 not greedy enough
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wait they last picked MEDUSA lol?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wait what EG picked Medusa Ember Gyro line up?!
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On May 23 2018 19:23 Pandemona wrote:
Wait what EG picked Medusa Ember Gyro line up?!
Yes.
And it's the Universe + Aui against EG grudge match.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The graphic had it the other way round in ESL draft right?
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On May 23 2018 19:25 Pandemona wrote:
The graphic had it the other way round in ESL draft right?
They messed up the first part. They got it fixed at the very end.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
this EG draft is gross lmao
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On May 23 2018 19:28 Pandemona wrote:Oh god what is this draft haha, 3 core yolo strat or is there some math behind this 
Actually, against an EE team, going full tri-core actually makes sense. If 1.5 cores get to late game, they can win.
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Tri-Core also solves the Doom problem.
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Wait, 13 min in and no T1 towers down on both sides?
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On May 23 2018 19:39 Pandemona wrote:Oh ok good Rtc back to his hated Gyrocopter carry haha :D
I feel like they decided on a "no rush 25" match, lol.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Did misery just tank a full doom with his Undying and come out with more HP after lol? Or was the doom on Medusa?
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EG lineup are just sitting ducks that wait to get initiated whole game.
I don't even know if their lineup is really better than Fnatic's in late game
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
If they 5 man though they are really strong, but yeah Wisp relocate and shadow blade doom mean they can catch EG a lot. However if they can TP properly and fight at towers or just 5 man push they have the better line up no?
I say that with Fear currently top net worth medusa that is.
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On May 23 2018 19:45 babysimba wrote:
EG lineup are just sitting ducks that wait to get initiated whole game.
I don't even know if their lineup is really better than Fnatic's in late game
Ember aint particular farmed at this point and he dosent really have any space to find farm
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Live video interrupted
The broadcast has been paused. It should resume shortly.
What the f??
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On May 23 2018 19:49 Pandemona wrote:
Live video interrupted
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What the f??
Ah, good, not just me. No clue.
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On May 23 2018 19:49 Pandemona wrote:
Live video interrupted
The broadcast has been paused. It should resume shortly.
What the f??
went to watch bulldogs stream to continue watching the game, esl lulz
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ok if that team fight is to go on, this game is stupidly close lol. Morph vs Medusa is going to be fun!
Cr1t stealing doom was lit though! However looking back it needed to go onto Morph!
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On May 23 2018 19:53 Pandemona wrote:
Ok if that team fight is to go on, this game is stupidly close lol. Morph vs Medusa is going to be fun!
Cr1t stealing doom was lit though!
lategame morph with flak is super scary
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EG 5 man is strong only if they have enough items to counter Fnatic initiation, but there isn't enough farm for all of them.
Doom and stuns of DK and ogre are enough to disable 2 EG out of fights. Fnatic also has decent damage with bloodlusted DK, morph morphing into dusa with split shot + mana shield, buffed with overcharge and bloodlust.
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ember is only as strong as his ability to pick off supports as well, the io is going to be super hard to kill with this amount of farm
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lol IO has a bkb to counter ember. Crazy.
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the EE FNC plays are real. not even EG is prepared
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Surely you get a linkens next Fear....then u go rapier if u have too!
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This is actully hilarious
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Get Rapier....let Rapier carry go alone in his own lane, 2 other cores push out mid? xD
> Die
Oh god xd
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On May 23 2018 20:04 babysimba wrote:
Carry IO in a pro game.
Fnatic matched EG's 3-core lineup with a 4-core lineup.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Awful from EG, WTF was that.
Disgusting from Fnatic, but you could see that coming a MILE off.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
huh ok that was an interesting way to start this tournament. really good decision making out of EE.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Fear had bots to, just disengage when they do it. Then go mid again how hard is that...
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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the EE strats are just unreal and like a miracle to watch when they work out
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SURELY THAT IS NOT DOTA
btw.
good going EG.
give IO n morph two of the most conceptually broken heroes ever concepted in Doter
add a doom to that too
rofl
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:09 Pandemona wrote:
Fear had bots to, just disengage when they do it. Then go mid again how hard is that...
they were on CD
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If EG can't even play the EG's way of going ultra greed and win lategame, what can they even do?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Surely they weren't on CD still. Had 20 second left on cd when they were on their side of the river in mid....
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Sees envy going for the throne with backdoor
Definitely a fnatic game
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On May 23 2018 20:10 550 wrote:
SURELY THAT IS NOT DOTA
btw.
good going EG.
give IO n morph two of the most conceptually broken heroes ever concepted in Doter
add a doom to that too
rofl
On contrast that is exactly what dota is about
Yaknow defense of the ancients lol
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We're not going to see Io much the rest of the tournament. That's pretty broken. A 1-2 pick can outright win a game with little counter play.
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Alright IO's getting nerfed after this tourny. Both western and china have different IO playstyle and they are rekting everyone.
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I didnt follow the meta lately. Which changes broke IO?
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reminder that there will be another patch tomorrow, io doom will probably get nerfed heavily
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On May 23 2018 20:15 uthgard wrote:
reminder that there will be another patch tomorrow, io doom will probably get nerf heavily
There wont be a patch mid tournement anymore
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I am shaking in excitement, this was fantastic to watch
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hmm, is there a way to watch this on mobile without downloading the facebook app?
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On May 23 2018 20:16 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 20:15 uthgard wrote:
reminder that there will be another patch tomorrow, io doom will probably get nerf heavily There wont be a patch mid tournement anymore
o yea, I seem to remember that. too bad, meta will be about the same as mdl
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
They said that, then they patched mid Thailand though lol. They said patches during "tournaments" would be changed to before it. So unless we get a patch next Monday or Thursday is anyones guess. Should have had it yesterday in fairness but Valve is Valve.
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io man..
though only Liquid n VP was using it (and EG)
i just recall 80% of IO games i see and it kept winning and winning and winning.. lowkey or otherwise
idk though its winning % is probably lower than 80% (or maybe it is 80%+ in tournaments)
also
hehehe..
watching EE streams a few weeks ago, i knew he had to do his game to convince people its an up there tier S hero as well
(i see him in his stream backpacking Salve, morphing to 1 STR - salving mid battle repeatedly) and its just bonkers
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On May 23 2018 20:17 Sassback wrote:
hmm, is there a way to watch this on mobile without downloading the facebook app?
Plenty of unofficial twitch streams to watch.
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Io + Morph gave me a nice laugh. :-)
WP Fnatic.
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Is it Bulba drafting or Misery?
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
I not sure how Pain heroes to counter or retard Liquid Morphing. I m not a pro player so i not sure, for me, we need stunner or disable heroes like hex to counter Morph. Of course they can buy disable item later but would it be too late?
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i don't know if the backdoor is the problem
I have been waiting something like morph and a deso io flak hitting everyone.
but yea, the backdoor with dd is more EE
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On May 23 2018 20:11 nojok wrote:
If EG can't even play the EG's way of going ultra greed and win lategame, what can they even do?
Lose?
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YEA that was SOME GAME man,
fnatic living up to their full reputation
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btw i have a feeling
we gotta wait for high level teams to abuse Visage too
crazy win rate heroes
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:20 Sapaio wrote:
Is it Bulba drafting or Misery?
Misery clicks buttons, but Coach Bulba normally has most of the say for sure. His idea was, lets beat Fnatic with a 3 core line up as surely we get to the late game they want with better cores online. What they didn't realize is they cannot stop IO - Morph from ratting.
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On May 23 2018 20:17 Sassback wrote:
hmm, is there a way to watch this on mobile without downloading the facebook app?
https://esl.atx.sx/# works on my android phone.
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On May 23 2018 20:21 Pandemona wrote:Misery clicks buttons, but Coach Bulba normally has most of the say for sure. His idea was, lets beat Fnatic with a 3 core line up as surely we get to the late game they want with better cores online. What they didn't realize is they cannot stop IO - Morph from ratting.
That happens when someone drops a new meta on your head.
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guys how'd Team Spirit do?
I want to make BP prediction, I see EG doing terrible, but not sure if its bad enough to lost against Spirit.
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Thanks ragnorr! That worked for me!
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On May 23 2018 20:21 Pandemona wrote:Misery clicks buttons, but Coach Bulba normally has most of the say for sure. His idea was, lets beat Fnatic with a 3 core line up as surely we get to the late game they want with better cores online. What they didn't realize is they cannot stop IO - Morph from ratting.
What i don't get is letting other team having two of the most broken heroes in the patch. Can see idea of Gyro against IO, and the IO Morph combo was new. But why letting Doom through draft, they should have taken him themself with second pick. Or ban him.
I think Ember was just so wrong in that game is 3 core.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah, you ban wisp in start there and draft/game is so different. If you have first pick, pick Wisp, if not you ban it.
Hopefully EG can finally show some decent games vs TS then take on Fnatic again tomorrow and beat them in a bo3.
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pain showing up against liquid
On May 23 2018 20:32 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah, you ban wisp in start there and draft/game is so different. If you have first pick, pick Wisp, if not you ban it.
Hopefully EG can finally show some decent games vs TS then take on Fnatic again tomorrow and beat them in a bo3.
Its a Bo1, you ban wisp period
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
this pain liquid game is wild. tune the fuck in y'all
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EG needs to shift Sumail back into mid. EG at its peak was doing well with their tricore greedy because Sumail was dumpstering teams left and right to buy time for their greed to kick in.
It is the perfect meta now to play mid now that it is more 1v1 orientated. Maybe has a similar playstyle to mid Sumail, so you can see how well that playstyle is doing for itself right now.
LGD has 4 other very talented players, but they wouldn't dominate as hard if they had another mid other than Maybe. Yea I rate Maybe as the current best dota player even with his throwing tendencies.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Liquid game kind of fiesta
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which changes made Io broken exactly? the unlimited tether duration?
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On May 23 2018 20:35 Nocticate wrote:
this pain liquid game is wild. tune the fuck in y'all
this post gave me a nice little chuckle :D
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i went all in on prediction points :[
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On May 23 2018 20:39 Nyan wrote:
i went all in on prediction points :[
you're missing out the achievement
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What did Pain do during the laning stage? They clearly got a snowball going.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:35 babysimba wrote:
EG needs to shift Sumail back into mid. EG at its peak was doing well with their tricore greedy because Sumail was dumpstering teams left and right to buy time for their greed to kick in.
It is the perfect meta now to play mid now that it is more 1v1 orientated. Maybe has a similar playstyle to mid Sumail, so you can see how well that playstyle is doing for itself right now.
LGD has 4 other very talented players, but they wouldn't dominate as hard if they had another mid other than Maybe. Yea I rate Maybe as the current best dota player even with his throwing tendencies.
Sumail moved to offlane just as the patch system was shifting the meta back to 1v1 mid, it was the worst timing for them to do that decision it felt like lol. Now in the meta we are evolved into, mid gets a 1v1 lane for free and its 2-1-2 stuff. But still EG could have laned better that time giving Rtc the mid Medusa and Fear the Gyro safelane. Or even just not pick the Medusa and pick a better laner and could have Sumail mid Ember. Oh well, Day 1 EG smh
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ok OG in trouble it seems.
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On May 23 2018 20:56 Pandemona wrote:
Ok OG in trouble it seems.
that's... most OG games versus good teams lately
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Yea but OG is winning right now.
Aghs on pos1 qop is the most questionable thing
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
VG have doom though, I think they've got it
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
aghs, octarine, and CDR talent on QoP. not sure if i'm a fan.
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On May 23 2018 21:19 Nocticate wrote:
aghs, octarine, and CDR talent on QoP. not sure if i'm a fan.
update: not a fan
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I guess his cdr would be useful if he manage to get to lvl 25 fear talent
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Is it impossible to watch earlier parts of the Facebook stream before it ends?
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eleven is a pretty Crappy doom
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Vici Gaming versus Liquid for elimination in Group B; hilarious.
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that eleven doom sucked so bad man rofl
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On May 23 2018 21:30 550 wrote:
eleven is a pretty Crappy doom
Think Doom still just look OP and just crushed laning phase. Nice to see OG playing well, hope BroTail moves to pos 3 seems to suit his playstyle, also think S4 would be super space making carry still not sure if i am fan of Seb as the farming carry.
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On May 23 2018 21:43 Sapaio wrote:Think Doom still just look OP and just crushed laning phase. Nice to see OG playing well, hope BroTail moves to pos 3 seems to suit his playstyle, also think S4 would be super space making carry still not sure if i am fan of Seb as the farming carry.
yea maybe so
but its definitely not for the ganking type, that Doom really seems useless the whole game
maybe its because of the Leshrac / NS effect.
both is just a tad bit of strong, just a tad, also very lowkey
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
mski vs lfy is putting me to sleep tbh. casters really don't help.
On May 23 2018 21:35 MetalMercury wrote:
Vici Gaming versus Liquid for elimination in Group B; hilarious.
this is hilarious and is almost an inevitability in this format.
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goddamn this is some quality iceiceice dota
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5 days, 12 teams, multiple series happening at same time, yet they still can have teams getting eliminated with 3 games and single elimination playoffs format lol.
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On May 23 2018 21:55 babysimba wrote:
5 days, 12 teams, multiple series happening at same time, yet they still can have teams getting eliminated with 3 games and single elimination playoffs format lol.
Even better, its possible to get DPC points with a 4w-6l tournament record. (3-1 groupsstage, 1-1 first place decider, 0-2 semis, 0-2 Third place decider)
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On May 23 2018 21:51 Nocticate wrote:mski vs lfy is putting me to sleep tbh. casters really don't help. Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 21:35 MetalMercury wrote:
Vici Gaming versus Liquid for elimination in Group B; hilarious. this is hilarious and is almost an inevitability in this format.
yeah
sounds like the oh my lord caster
who is the second caster (not lacoste) there with the nonstop highpitch abit monotonous hype (edit: hyperbole)
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
second caster is lacoste, idk who the first caster is but he's p ass
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
sccc ember, oh my im ready for some of that :D
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jeeeesus, CCnC destroyed SCCC in the first 2 waves mid 8/1 to 0/0
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Jesus christ Mushi LFY has a family
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On May 23 2018 22:10 Nocticate wrote:
second caster is lacoste, idk who the first caster is but he's p ass
not lacoste
its the other dude with nonstop hyperbole
oh well im watching the SCCC'CCNC match now
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it sees like an outdraft by Optic and imho Newbee put themself in an horrible position with DP and Ember as cores with a Naga offlane.
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the other mineski/LFY caster is gareth 'formerly known as durkadota' 'don't call me durka' 'garethbates' bates of UK dota fame
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On May 23 2018 21:35 MetalMercury wrote:
Vici Gaming versus Liquid for elimination in Group B; hilarious.
Yup. Din't see that coming. Group B in turmoil.
Rest of the groups going as expected though.
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EG got nightstalker
i think its a pretty secure game considering their opponents
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On May 22 2018 21:35 Kelefei2016 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2018 20:27 DropBear wrote:On May 22 2018 17:12 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Most boring : Group B
Most interesting : Group C Why is group B boring? We get to see how Pain (the only legitimate SA team) are progressing with w33 and Vici just came third in a major, plus the reigning TI champs are fresh after resting through MDL. Also OG showed signs of improvement at MDL. All three groups are interesting imo, there is no clear cut top 2 for any of them. Things can be very easy, if u have 1 million to bet, and there is win survive, lose u dead, which team match u will put ur bet: Liquid vs Pain? Optic vs LFY? Mineski vs LFY? Mineski vs Newbee? I think you got the answer, OBVIOUSLY, lol. Match become boring when one team is few grades higher than their counterpart.
You died.
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EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go
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I see newbee still holds the title "worst rosh taking team". TBH I don't know any real contender for that title atm ...
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I think EG got outdrafted hard. Yea they can still win but their margin of error is so small.
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Fuck getting home to liquid pissing away our token points. What a mess, hope they are quickly sent home now
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
EG back to the stupid decision making again, jesus.
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On May 23 2018 22:42 Nocticate wrote:
EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go
Bo3, but this doesn't seem like the best Spectre game.
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So networth wise, both teams are even. But EG heroes have no creep clear to accelerate farm, or keep waves pushed in to avoid ganks against axe and slark.
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On May 23 2018 22:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 22:42 Nocticate wrote:
EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go Bo3, but this doesn't seem like the best Spectre game.
these are BO3s? what is this format
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On May 23 2018 22:43 Sloke wrote:
I see newbee still holds the title "worst rosh taking team". TBH I don't know any real contender for that title atm ...
navi is up there
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On May 23 2018 23:01 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 22:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 23 2018 22:42 Nocticate wrote:
EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go Bo3, but this doesn't seem like the best Spectre game. these are BO3s? what is this format
First round was Bo1. Rest are Bo3 until Finals, which is Bo5.
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On May 23 2018 23:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 23:01 Nocticate wrote:On May 23 2018 22:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 23 2018 22:42 Nocticate wrote:
EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go Bo3, but this doesn't seem like the best Spectre game. these are BO3s? what is this format First round was Bo1. Rest are Bo3 until Finals, which is Bo5.
interesting. i thought at least the merit would be that these groups wouldn't take 1019342 years
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On May 23 2018 23:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 23:01 Nocticate wrote:On May 23 2018 22:57 Taf the Ghost wrote:On May 23 2018 22:42 Nocticate wrote:
EG picking spectre in an elim match, here we go Bo3, but this doesn't seem like the best Spectre game. these are BO3s? what is this format First round was Bo1. Rest are Bo3 until Finals, which is Bo5.
Thanks i thought that EG was out. Anyway if they win spectre is way stronger that anything imagined.
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dayum this tournament
rip my prediction tokens
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also EG are boned lmao, nice 23 minute radi
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whoever thought of this format should be shot for crimes against esports!
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guess it was dumb to place 5 tokens on EG ~.~
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
EG need to change things up, roster change or put sumail back to mid as this is just shockingly poor. What on earth in the last fight, is misery doing with ult up not buybacking to join the fight after Clock goes in. If he refusing to buyback why the fuck is cr1t going in with his clock???? He watched his two cores die, to then walk in and a drop his ult for no one to be able to do damage. Holy hell what am i watching.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I mean are we rly suprised
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Fear Outdated
Arteezy Overrated
Sumail Jebaited
Universe Elated
EG Eliminated
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i thought it depends on whether the visage knows how to play
and yup, decent visage player there
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On May 23 2018 23:18 Pandemona wrote:
EG need to change things up, roster change or put sumail back to mid as this is just shockingly poor. What on earth in the last fight, is misery doing with ult up not buybacking to join the fight after Clock goes in. If he refusing to buyback why the fuck is cr1t going in with his clock???? He watched his two cores die, to then walk in and a drop his ult for no one to be able to do damage. Holy hell what am i watching.
If EG changes roster there will games vs Vg.S in the open bracket. Dunno if they would want that :D
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On May 23 2018 23:19 Nomad115 wrote:
EG Eliminated
We have to watch them for one more game though.
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On May 23 2018 23:21 BlazingGlory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 23:18 Pandemona wrote:
EG need to change things up, roster change or put sumail back to mid as this is just shockingly poor. What on earth in the last fight, is misery doing with ult up not buybacking to join the fight after Clock goes in. If he refusing to buyback why the fuck is cr1t going in with his clock???? He watched his two cores die, to then walk in and a drop his ult for no one to be able to do damage. Holy hell what am i watching. If EG changes roster there will games vs Vg.S in the open bracket. Dunno if they would want that :D
Last time they played VGs they beat them in the tournament they won and was convincing, so i don't think they mind about that and will be two slots up for grabs in NA. So if they can't get two of those spots then they don't deserve to be at TI anyway. I mean how are they going to get points in these last two tournaments anyway playing like they are to directly qualify?
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On May 23 2018 23:22 Lucumo wrote:We have to watch them for one more game though.
It was more to fit in with the poem although its not in much doubt EG will soon be eliminated playing like this
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On May 23 2018 23:23 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2018 23:21 BlazingGlory wrote:On May 23 2018 23:18 Pandemona wrote:
EG need to change things up, roster change or put sumail back to mid as this is just shockingly poor. What on earth in the last fight, is misery doing with ult up not buybacking to join the fight after Clock goes in. If he refusing to buyback why the fuck is cr1t going in with his clock???? He watched his two cores die, to then walk in and a drop his ult for no one to be able to do damage. Holy hell what am i watching. If EG changes roster there will games vs Vg.S in the open bracket. Dunno if they would want that :D Last time they played VGs they beat them in the tournament they won and was convincing, so i don't think they mind about that and will be two slots up for grabs in NA. So if they can't get two of those spots then they don't deserve to be at TI anyway. I mean how are they going to get points in these last two tournaments anyway playing like they are to directly qualify?
EG is doing ppd a solid by proving his point about invite slots.
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in a different world where EG still had zai and only opted to pick 33 up
boy oh boy how this year mightve been so different for NA
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god i love the times when the chatwheel is active
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Spamming the tips for EE, I wonder if EE sees it ingame.
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ooutplayed by a team with illidian
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y'all grilled cheese with pesto is dank
also EG are getting dumpstered. turns out CIS rejects are still pretty good
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i don't really get the idea behind gyro+dusa. they're just getting outmaneuvered so hard :\
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G playing support?
picking 100 powershot dmg instead of 100 range
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EG absolutely crumbling, they shouldn't be losing that fight, or even taking it
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I've missed watching Illidan.
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credits to TS this some AAA+ Russian teamfighting
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Early elimination might even be a good thing for EG. They might be more willing to change things up more drastically.
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seems the NA team to bet for is Optic guys..
wouldnt be surprised if they went on to beat this event and TI even
optic looks hella solid, if only they could avoid VP somehow
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All these tier 2/tier 3 teams get their opportunity to shine vs EG, brings a tear to my eye
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Never gets old seeing EG play this poorly. A team with zero vision or leadership.
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On May 24 2018 00:16 Kipsate wrote:
credits to TS this some AAA+ Russian teamfighting
yeah for all the clowning on EG, TS is actually playing very very disciplined. especially for a last minute invite, this is a really good performance.
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honestly what is with this terrible format. Best of 1's until the semi final????? Why does esl always do this.
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Playing supports for this greedy core playstyle really suck. Put GH or DJ in this team and they will become like any normal support players.
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On May 24 2018 00:21 Darpa wrote:
honestly what is with this terrible format. Best of 1's until the semi final????? Why does esl always do this.
wat u talking bout ?
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another underwhelming Doom game
just imo, doom is still on par with the likes of Lesh / Gyro / Luna / NS / Morp
the typical first ban material
just your typical high impact heroes still with plenty of scopes of counter
IO is on another level, visage idk (needs more play), hopefully Optic will show (but they keep getting matched against VP so..) lesh could perhaps be also strong, but not so notice-able
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On May 24 2018 00:24 babysimba wrote:
Playing supports for this greedy core playstyle really suck. Put GH or DJ in this team and they will become like any normal support players.
I like how Misery was brought on because he's supposed to be an asshole who could get them to do stuff, then a few months later he's buying a midas on his disruptor while EG falls apart
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eg deserve this when they put fear as farming carry
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LMAO TEAM SPIRIT THROWING SO BAD
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here we are with the signature EG move... lets turrtle
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time for rapiers everywhere
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Actually throwing
just farm the map and wait for rosh
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putting EG in group A was a stroke of genius by ESL, letting them be the first team eliminated. What an incredibly pitiful performance by EG.
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Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting...
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just came back to see EG got 0-2 by team spirit, lmao
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GG TS great games.
But to things need to stop next season ... Team direct invites for fame (Navi, EG, Newbee?) and Bo1 in every form or moment
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Now I just want optic to do well, I miss ppd's EG. He was the sore winner and magnificient loser, he made EG strong and despicable, I miss my vilain, I don't have a team to root against.
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I cannot wait for the ppd tweet referencing EG's performance. The salt must flow.
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On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting...
sumail will end as EGs dendi
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On May 24 2018 00:17 babysimba wrote:
Early elimination might even be a good thing for EG. They might be more willing to change things up more drastically.
doesent work for newbee
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not a fan of these ESL formats... it just feels way too short. You lose a single bo1 and you're already locked into the elimination game.
I get that the opposite, having tons of games, can be taxing on players but this is just boring to watch...
You only have 6 teams getting through to the main event, 2 of those only played 3 games total and got into the semifinals that way and despite having so few games, they go with single-elim on top of that for the playoffs. idk, maybe calling it "boring to watch" is an exaggeration but it's certainly not drawing people in with "epic" group- or playoff-stage
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On May 24 2018 00:37 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:17 babysimba wrote:
Early elimination might even be a good thing for EG. They might be more willing to change things up more drastically. doesent work for newbee
Well in fairness with Newbee, they looked a lot better in the lower bracket in Changsha and changed it up. Came in here without the new coach who has failed to get a visa in time which makes sense. I would think they will do fine at TI though which they are already pretty much there.
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On May 24 2018 00:37 its_a_me wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... sumail will end as EGs dendi
or he could do the thing fy did
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On May 24 2018 00:33 its_a_me wrote:
GG TS great games.
But to things need to stop next season ... Team direct invites for fame (Navi, EG, Newbee?) and Bo1 in every form or moment
dude sorry but in this case you (and alot of redditors) are making zero sense
the invites were given LONG before Optic / VGJS won anything
they were distributing the top part of it based on DPC points
then the remaining were spread out 1 for each region (SEA / CIS / EU / NA / CN )
would you be the first to call EG below Optic before they ever won anything yet?
wouldnt that be the stupidest decision?
i dont think theres ever any case for injustice in inviting EG Navi Newbee JUST YET
looking from each tournaments case
in Supermajor it was infact as fair as it can get, they did distribute the invite a few weeks before Optic ever won their first event, vgjs is a noname, also a long time before FTM run in epicenter.
thus they distributed the remaining to 1.EG 2.Navi 3.OG
three of the current best team on their region
doing anything but that would be THE BIASED option
in this ESL one birmingham case, the invites were announced so early, so far back before any of these T2 teams started becoming T1 (optic,ftm,vgjs,before pgs.lgd)
secret declined, so they went for newbee, i mean, who else? VGJT? at that point of time
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On May 24 2018 00:37 its_a_me wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... sumail will end as EGs dendi
Haha, maybe, but he is the best player EG have so probably :D
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imagine crossing the atlantic to play bo1 and bo3. and losing both.
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On May 24 2018 00:24 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:21 Darpa wrote:
honestly what is with this terrible format. Best of 1's until the semi final????? Why does esl always do this. wat u talking bout ?
Unless I am mistaken...
Best of 1 groups, 4 team eliminated
4 teams to Quarter finals with Bo1 series,
Semifinals Bo3
Am I missing something?
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On May 24 2018 00:41 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:24 739 wrote:On May 24 2018 00:21 Darpa wrote:
honestly what is with this terrible format. Best of 1's until the semi final????? Why does esl always do this. wat u talking bout ? Unless I am mistaken... Best of 1 groups, 4 team eliminated 4 teams to Quarter finals with Bo1 series, Semifinals Bo3 Am I missing something?
only the very first game in the groupphase is a bo1, the 2nd game and onwards is bo3
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On May 24 2018 00:43 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:41 Darpa wrote:On May 24 2018 00:24 739 wrote:On May 24 2018 00:21 Darpa wrote:
honestly what is with this terrible format. Best of 1's until the semi final????? Why does esl always do this. wat u talking bout ? Unless I am mistaken... Best of 1 groups, 4 team eliminated 4 teams to Quarter finals with Bo1 series, Semifinals Bo3 Am I missing something? only the very first game in the groupphase is a bo1, the 2nd game and onwards is bo3
oh okay, thanks
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what the heck was ee doing???
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VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong.
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On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote:
VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong.
If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG?
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On May 24 2018 00:50 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote:
VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong. If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG?
Already on the way back.
(To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).)
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On May 24 2018 00:51 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:50 babysimba wrote:On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote:
VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong. If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG? Already on the way back. (To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).)
They still have 3 SEA players, liquid have 2 Middle East players, EG have 2 EU players, hell even DC was considered a NA team with a single American. It's just the way of professional (e) sport. I don't think the Spanish are angry because Ronaldo and Messi aren''t Spanish.
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EE 50/50
Godlike rat decision
EG goes home 0-3
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On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting...
i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time.
Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times.
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Man its hard to be an EG fan sometimes. lol
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On May 24 2018 01:08 MrCon wrote:https://esl.atx.sx/#To be able to view facebook streams in VLC (or just directly on this page)
Thank you, I was getting tired of BSJ as the facebook streams were not working well for me (first time it happens, it was fine the previous tourneys).
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On May 24 2018 01:05 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:51 Lucumo wrote:On May 24 2018 00:50 babysimba wrote:On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote:
VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong. If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG? Already on the way back. (To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).) They still have 3 SEA players, liquid have 2 Middle East players, EG have 2 EU players, hell even DC was considered a NA team with a single American. It's just the way of professional (e) sport. I don't think the Spanish are angry because Ronaldo and Messi aren''t Spanish.
Who is the third player if you exclude EE, Universe and pieliedie? Yeah, one can't take the NA teams seriously anyway, considering they hire from Europe all the time. I was similarly sad when W33ha joined Pain Gaming, even though I like the guy. It's nice to see struggling regions do well with players of their own. If they import players, then what's the point of regions? Coaches are fine, doesn't matter where they are from.
On May 24 2018 01:12 nojok wrote:Thank you, I was getting tired of BSJ as the facebook streams were not working well for me (first time it happens, it was fine the previous tourneys).
Do it like me and watch the Russians streams. Don't understand a word but that doesn't matter, haha.
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if i was fnatic's / mineski / OG's coach
i would tell them to straight up ban Lesh in addition to the normal ones
vs VP/VGJS/Liquid/Optic/EG/etc
its even better than doom IMO, the addition of Aeon disk, the reworked mechanics of Mana Regen.. oh well i guess theres abit too many tier S heroes in the game anyways (like 5/6 first pick/ban material)
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On May 24 2018 00:38 550 wrote:
at that point of time
I think he means there should be less invites and more qualifier spots, I agree in that as well
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On May 24 2018 01:10 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time. Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times.
The sumail rtz duo had a greedy offlaner then.
Pretty pointless to blame EG's supports when they are starved for gold and xp the entire game. Every other team have active pos1 and/or pos2 to contribute back to the team with their rotations after laning phase. Their supports can fight alongside their high networth cores to take good fights and leech teamfight gold & xp. Whereas in EG, their supports are reduced to mere scouting and counter initiating heroes while their cores are playing farm simulator.
Just move Sumail back to mid and Fear to offlane. He plays a great tempo mid. Fear is capable of playing a sacrificial core role. Rtz is no longer as greedy as 2 years back. This will re-enable their supports to actually do stuff in game.
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On May 24 2018 01:25 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 01:10 StarVe wrote:On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time. Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times. The sumail rtz duo had a greedy offlaner then. Pretty pointless to blame EG's supports when they are starved for gold and xp the entire game. Every other team have active pos1 and/or pos2 to contribute back to the team with their rotations after laning phase. Their supports can fight alongside their high networth cores to take good fights and leech teamfight gold & xp. Whereas in EG, their supports are reduced to mere scouting and counter initiating heroes while their cores are playing farm simulator. Just move Sumail back to mid and Fear to offlane. He plays a great tempo mid. Fear is capable of playing a sacrificial core role. Rtz is no longer as greedy as 2 years back. This will re-enable their supports to actually do stuff in game.
Fear already played a lot of sacrificial cores, though, with Sumail taking over mid before EG tried out hard carry Medusa Fear recently. The results weren't great either.
Misery is drafting, supports should direct early rotations, etc. If this is the best they can do then the captain is doing a bad job. The whole team should be on board with the game plan. You can't shift the blame solely to the cores. Unless the cores are explicitly doing the opposite of what they agreed upon, then the team might as well disband already.
Maybe RTZ isn't as greedy, but he isn't having an impact either. I don't see any synergy between Arteezy and Sumail the way other cores enable each other.
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eg vg and newbee are gradually worsening. i suspect it because of consecutive tournaments they participate in. should have take a break and doing bootcamp instead, perhaps ?
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On May 24 2018 01:34 Snakesneaks wrote:
eg vg and newbee are gradually worsening. i suspect it because of consecutive tournaments they participate in. should have take a break and doing bootcamp instead, perhaps ?
vg n newbee got hit really hard by that comeback gold nerf
they used to be solid t1 team that always irons out any bad early games vs t2 teams with some proper teamfight
now.. they just outdated, and its hard to adapt a playstyle you've been good at for years
the gold changes really uproots the old pros away
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Does the last bounty rune rework heavily favor the winning team now that teams understood their importance?
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On May 24 2018 01:32 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 01:25 babysimba wrote:On May 24 2018 01:10 StarVe wrote:On May 24 2018 00:30 Pandemona wrote:
Roster changes inc for EG, that was embarassing. Sumail has to go back to mid and they need to find an offlaner who hardly needs much farm to be impactful...if Fear can't do that then he has to be the one to step out...Embarassing from them in Birmingham and they are out within 5 hours of the tournament starting... i guess it's just regurgitating people's old opinions but I still feel that while Fear is definitely a problem in this lineup (next to the awful drafts and the extremely uninspired support play), it's predominantly the old issue of the very undynamic duo Sumail and Arteezy together not working out at all. Imo, in order to reinvent themselves, EG will have to choose between one or the other or they will indeed become the post-Puppey Na'Vi, sticking with their dual version of Dendi forever and wondering why it falls apart every time. Or I guess just let Sumail scapegoat and kick whoever he thinks is at fault now, like the last few times. The sumail rtz duo had a greedy offlaner then. Pretty pointless to blame EG's supports when they are starved for gold and xp the entire game. Every other team have active pos1 and/or pos2 to contribute back to the team with their rotations after laning phase. Their supports can fight alongside their high networth cores to take good fights and leech teamfight gold & xp. Whereas in EG, their supports are reduced to mere scouting and counter initiating heroes while their cores are playing farm simulator. Just move Sumail back to mid and Fear to offlane. He plays a great tempo mid. Fear is capable of playing a sacrificial core role. Rtz is no longer as greedy as 2 years back. This will re-enable their supports to actually do stuff in game. Fear already played a lot of sacrificial cores, though, with Sumail taking over mid before EG tried out hard carry Medusa Fear recently. The results weren't great either. Misery is drafting, supports should direct early rotations, etc. If this is the best they can do then the captain is doing a bad job. The whole team should be on board with the game plan. You can't shift the blame solely to the cores. Unless the cores are explicitly doing the opposite of what they agreed upon, then the team might as well disband already.
Those Sumail mid games were not your standard mid heroes. It was Sumail's offlane hero pool that tend to be more static farming heroes. They just place him mid because of better lane matchups.
It is 2018. Supports do not micro manage their cores. Miracle and Maybe are currently the best pos1 and pos 2 respectively not because they have good mechanical skills, but because they have the game sense to read the game and move around the map efficiently, identify strong timing windows to brute force objectives. Those are stuff that needs to be done from the cores' perspective, not supports'.
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On May 24 2018 01:08 MrCon wrote:https://esl.atx.sx/#To be able to view facebook streams in VLC (or just directly on this page)
It's really amazing how much better this site is than even the ESL live site
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spectre aggro tri...
do any of these teams actually know how to play spec?
edit: they swapped, thank god
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On May 24 2018 02:10 Nocticate wrote:
spectre aggro tri...
do any of these teams actually know how to play spec?
edit: they swapped, thank god
They aggro laned to try and dodge Omni vs Razor, and get some farming time while Liquid tries to get the matchups they want.
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Just looked at the format and standings. lol EG
But really, a 3 day major? :/
On May 24 2018 01:08 MrCon wrote:https://esl.atx.sx/#To be able to view facebook streams in VLC (or just directly on this page)
Thanks for this by the way, the facebook streams worked for me last ESL but don't work for me anymore this time lol
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On May 24 2018 01:05 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2018 00:51 Lucumo wrote:On May 24 2018 00:50 babysimba wrote:On May 24 2018 00:49 Lucumo wrote:
VP putting Fnatic in the dumpster, where they belong. If Fnatic is in the dumpster, where is EG? Already on the way back. (To be fair, I don't dislike Fnatic that much. I'm just really unhappy that it's no longer a SEA team (+ I dislike Universe).) They still have 3 SEA players, liquid have 2 Middle East players, EG have 2 EU players, hell even DC was considered a NA team with a single American. It's just the way of professional (e) sport. I don't think the Spanish are angry because Ronaldo and Messi aren''t Spanish.
Except to get this way they got rid of Ohaiyo. There's only two SEA players on that roster, only one of which has spent the majority of his time in SEA. They aren't an SEA team anymore regardless of where they play; EE basically stole that team from Ohaiyo.
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On May 24 2018 02:44 Nocticate wrote:
the only good thing about this format is that the two staggered streams mean i haven't had to listen to Nahaz's voice since 11 this morning and that's honestly such a blessing
I was thinking the same thing about the facebook deal (rather than the format) as it keeps nahaz off of all watchable platforms
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I hope optic take the series against mski so we can see what OG is actually the better OG
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On May 24 2018 03:16 Nocticate wrote:
it's almost certainly optic lul
What makes you think that?
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On May 24 2018 03:29 MetalMercury wrote:What makes you think that?
OG have demonstrated themselves to be incredibly unimpressive. Optic has shown an ability to be inventive and interesting, and they have a decent drafter.
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Optic dying left and right
Ccnc farming with boat
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Took like 2.5k damage from 4 heroes to kill off timber lol
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On May 24 2018 03:47 Kipsate wrote:
Looks like an outdraft or is it me
in theory, lategame kunkka cleave deletes timber and luna
in practice, Optic is gonna get run over way before then
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timber is really good pick here at least till really late. Doesnt care about kunkka mid, 3 str heroes in dire, morph damage is all stat based.
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That was an optimistic high ground dive
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Wish enemy teams would start spamming chat wheel and tipping CCnC and Noone every time they die
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damn what a fight from optic
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these are crazy fights. Optic showing some insane composure fighting from behind all through the midgame
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Whirling death talent pretty good now I guess. 200-300 more damage against str heroes
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this pause looks suspiciously tactical
hmm
not sure how it would matter but it does look tactical
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Permenent panda + cyclone at lvl 25 with sd luna illusions is going to be disgusting, but it's probably the only way to siege against OGs' lineup
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On May 24 2018 04:00 babysimba wrote:
Wish enemy teams would start spamming chat wheel and tipping CCnC and Noone every time they die
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the rapier drop tips... oh my god. game over
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these offensive tips are fucking hilarious
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lmao the tips
I really didn't think mineski would continue to fight there after timber died. But I guess they committed a lot to kill them and mineski just took advantage.
Not many creeps nearby for kunkka to take advantage of the rapier as well
Well played by mineski, but optic fought admirably
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you could argue that there isn't really a better moment and player to bm tip than ccnc
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eh game was already over at that point
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now thats Mineski drafting correctly
gotta BAN THE LESH
the hero is lowkey the winning horse of so many matches, so so many matches
i feel even more than Doom, because FTM was also prioritizing lesh number1, people just didnt notice because its abit of a constant
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
in the durka x lacoste cast, exactly which one of them is supposed to be the expert analyst?
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Aoe surge lane creeps is so good for shoving in lanes
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the tipping in these games is almost better than the allchat
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Think Iceiceice should have bought nullifier instead of ac to make up his team lack of control
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
i miss 6.77 OP kotl/PL tbh. the game was so much slower back then. dunno what reminded me of that.
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This is rough for newbee early game
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tinker picked? we lost, boys
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these counter rotations by mineski are hamstringing optic
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whoever wins between that LFY Newbee
i dont think they can defeat mineski/optic
those CN teams looks like they didnt age well thru the patches, its close to TI too
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Optic no control to deal with tinker and also repel/rage which can just shrug off most damage.
Dive too deep and you find yourself gripped/cogged in no man's land.
Really don't see how Mski can lose this without throwing.
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that wolf with the lethal chomp on clockwork lol
turns out it's hard to fiend's grip a qop, lycan, and gyro all at once, two of which can dive tinker with ease
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
qop can deal with tinker if she itemizes for it
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2 times NB baited his team into a teamwipe.
Just horrible game from Mski, throwing fights constantly during their strong window. Too far behind to win now against Optic's items.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
this lycan item build is very very odd but I kinda fw it
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Yeah 33's build is spot on for this game. Qop/gyro are more than enough to carry with dmg
Seems like mineski could never fight into tombstone this game
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
hope ppl stop underrating Optic now smh
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optic poised to take their rightful place as the best team in NA
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Newbee, Vici, EG - 3 big names already out. By the looks of Mineski, LFY might take them out too. I think VP or Liquid takes this major.
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What a format. 3 teams eliminated on the first day after playing just 3 games each. And this is a major too.
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Caught up with the games, wow, EG out 0-3. Unless Optic outright wins this tournament, NA qualifiers are going to be a blood bath, as that's 3 teams with LAN victories on the season in 1 qualifier. (It's also looking really likely that VGJ.T is going to back their way into a TI invite.)
Looks like VG's Meta riding is at an end.
Newbee had a good MDL, and they're back in the dumpster.
VP and OG going through weren't surprising (after Pain punk'd TL in that game), but I'm happy for Optic making it through. I'd say they were playing better (please don't draft mid Kunkka anymore; yes, it works occasionally, but it is so fragile), but I think it was more Ninjaboogie just playing a lot worse than everyone else. I think the team with the more cohesive draft won all 3 games, but all 3 could have gone either way. 33's blink + hex on Lycan was a really good adaptation to that game, and it was the winning formula.
As for handicapping day 2, I expect VP to 2-0, and I favor Optic over OG, mostly because ppd normally has fly's number. Fnatic, TL & Mineski out of the groups, but LGD.fy could pull the upset.
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On May 24 2018 07:35 RxMidnight wrote:
What a format. 3 teams eliminated on the first day after playing just 3 games each. And this is a major too.
I was about to post that haha. This format really suck, it's like a low cost version of a major, cut all the costs and nothing much is left.
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