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[DAC 2018] DAC Major - Playoffs Day 4 - Page 12

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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
April 06 2018 07:04 GMT
#221
On April 06 2018 16:02 Snakesneaks wrote:
ame mk only dealt 7.4k damage ??

he did 73k hero damage
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:05 GMT
#222
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
April 06 2018 07:14 GMT
#223
On April 06 2018 16:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.

Mineski are 4th in the rankings with their current state (grand finalists at this tournament), they're pretty much confirmed
rip
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:18 GMT
#224
DPC points is going to be interesting. Secret & TL were already mathematical locks when this started, simply because we know the teams going to the next Major and most of the major after that (along with the two minors). Thus, everyone else actually wants those 3 teams to eat up victories, as it keeps the few potential winners down.

Related to that, LGD & TNC have real chances to capitalize here. Winning this tournament puts you in a good place to lock in a generally safe invite slot. (And the Prize Pool doesn't hurt.) TNC, especially, doesn't have another LAN for a while, and they have to fight Mineski & Fnatic for qualifier slots.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
April 06 2018 07:18 GMT
#225
i hope invites dont end up being too close

having them decided by how many invites to tournaments teams got or how hard their regional quals are would suck
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:26 GMT
#226
On April 06 2018 16:14 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.

Mineski are 4th in the rankings with their current state (grand finalists at this tournament), they're pretty much confirmed


Winning a Major with 0 current DPC points nets you 2250, which is level with Mineski. If they win, the only way they can be dislodged is if someone wins a Major and places highly in another. It puts valuable space between them and the teams currently in 5th through 11th.

It has a good chance to hold, from their current number, but the key points to 3k as being a "lock". A win locks them.

If they don't win, it's going to be close at the end of the season, mostly as the only teams likely to win a Major are all in this tournament (+ Fnatic). Mathematical space, which is high placing at 2 Majors, between them and those close by are the important numbers for locking in an Invite.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
April 06 2018 07:27 GMT
#227
On April 06 2018 16:18 Orome wrote:
i hope invites dont end up being too close

having them decided by how many invites to tournaments teams got or how hard their regional quals are would suck

This is most at risk for the eastern teams, who tend to get screwed on direct invites and have cutthroat qualifiers

However, there's a lot of quality Chinese and SEA teams so it's unlikely for all the good teams to get direct invites anyway (VG, VGJ, Newbee, LGD and TNC, Mineski, Fnatic), but in the current state it's pretty likely that enough will get direct invites that the others should have a relatively easy qualifiers compared to the gauntlet they've been going through the whole seaso
rip
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:30 GMT
#228
On April 06 2018 16:18 Orome wrote:
i hope invites dont end up being too close

having them decided by how many invites to tournaments teams got or how hard their regional quals are would suck


Only real problem is the Local vs International meta issues. Valve can smooth that out by the way they do regional slots, though there's always been a bias from doing well really early in the season, which the DPC actually lessens a bit, given the way the old invite system worked.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
April 06 2018 07:37 GMT
#229
On April 06 2018 16:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:14 TomatoBisque wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.

Mineski are 4th in the rankings with their current state (grand finalists at this tournament), they're pretty much confirmed


Winning a Major with 0 current DPC points nets you 2250, which is level with Mineski. If they win, the only way they can be dislodged is if someone wins a Major and places highly in another. It puts valuable space between them and the teams currently in 5th through 11th.

It has a good chance to hold, from their current number, but the key points to 3k as being a "lock". A win locks them.

If they don't win, it's going to be close at the end of the season, mostly as the only teams likely to win a Major are all in this tournament (+ Fnatic). Mathematical space, which is high placing at 2 Majors, between them and those close by are the important numbers for locking in an Invite.

Mathematically Mineski isn't locked, but I think the chances of 5 of VGs/Newbee/LGD/TNC/Fnatic/EG getting a perfect enough setup for the remaining tournaments is pretty unlikely, but I'm not a statistician
rip
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4385 Posts
April 06 2018 07:40 GMT
#230
Helm of the dominator needs a nerf. It's too strong for its cost
Sucker for nostalgia
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-06 07:49:00
April 06 2018 07:47 GMT
#231
On April 06 2018 16:40 DropBear wrote:
Helm of the dominator needs a nerf. It's too strong for its cost

I would nerf it to make it unable to dominate enemy lane creeps which includes catapult.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:49 GMT
#232
On April 06 2018 16:37 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:14 TomatoBisque wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.

Mineski are 4th in the rankings with their current state (grand finalists at this tournament), they're pretty much confirmed


Winning a Major with 0 current DPC points nets you 2250, which is level with Mineski. If they win, the only way they can be dislodged is if someone wins a Major and places highly in another. It puts valuable space between them and the teams currently in 5th through 11th.

It has a good chance to hold, from their current number, but the key points to 3k as being a "lock". A win locks them.

If they don't win, it's going to be close at the end of the season, mostly as the only teams likely to win a Major are all in this tournament (+ Fnatic). Mathematical space, which is high placing at 2 Majors, between them and those close by are the important numbers for locking in an Invite.

Mathematically Mineski isn't locked, but I think the chances of 5 of VGs/Newbee/LGD/TNC/Fnatic/EG getting a perfect enough setup for the remaining tournaments is pretty unlikely, but I'm not a statistician


At 4th & 2250 points, they actually only need 1 team outside of the Top 8 to vault in. Say LGD. Then the teams below them are likely to all get more points, and they could end up 9th. That gets far, far less likely at 3150, which they'd be at if they win the tournament.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-06 07:50:59
April 06 2018 07:50 GMT
#233
On April 06 2018 16:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:37 TomatoBisque wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:26 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:14 TomatoBisque wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 06 2018 16:00 Shergal wrote:
that 4v5 smoke wraparound into rosh was a kind of play i don't think many teams would even think about let alone pull off with such decisiveness, including mineski in any context that isn't their insane level this tournament


Mineski probably falls off after this tournament, given how cleanly they're currently playing, but if they win here, it's probably enough to lock in a TI invite.

Mineski are 4th in the rankings with their current state (grand finalists at this tournament), they're pretty much confirmed


Winning a Major with 0 current DPC points nets you 2250, which is level with Mineski. If they win, the only way they can be dislodged is if someone wins a Major and places highly in another. It puts valuable space between them and the teams currently in 5th through 11th.

It has a good chance to hold, from their current number, but the key points to 3k as being a "lock". A win locks them.

If they don't win, it's going to be close at the end of the season, mostly as the only teams likely to win a Major are all in this tournament (+ Fnatic). Mathematical space, which is high placing at 2 Majors, between them and those close by are the important numbers for locking in an Invite.

Mathematically Mineski isn't locked, but I think the chances of 5 of VGs/Newbee/LGD/TNC/Fnatic/EG getting a perfect enough setup for the remaining tournaments is pretty unlikely, but I'm not a statistician


At 4th & 2250 points, they actually only need 1 team outside of the Top 8 to vault in. Say LGD. Then the teams below them are likely to all get more points, and they could end up 9th. That gets far, far less likely at 3150, which they'd be at if they win the tournament.

ya but they also need the teams in 5th-8th to also do well enough to jump over them, which is what I think is unlikely especially since Liquid+VP are both still strong and are constantly threatening to take up half of the top 4 spots
rip
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 06 2018 07:52 GMT
#234
I wish teams would squeeze Newbee out of top8 rankings.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4385 Posts
April 06 2018 07:55 GMT
#235
Frost Troll denies the double damage heh
Sucker for nostalgia
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 06 2018 07:55 GMT
#236
Tree toss + amplify damage = half life gone by underlord
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
April 06 2018 07:57 GMT
#237
TNC is going try hard to ALL SEA Finals
6nnn
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 06 2018 07:59 GMT
#238
On April 06 2018 16:57 sunrazgriz wrote:
TNC is going try hard to ALL SEA Finals


Love to see it.

VP might have a damage problem pretty soon.
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
April 06 2018 08:03 GMT
#239
On April 06 2018 16:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2018 16:57 sunrazgriz wrote:
TNC is going try hard to ALL SEA Finals


Love to see it.

VP might have a damage problem pretty soon.

yeah VP played under perform since yesterday
6nnn
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 06 2018 08:06 GMT
#240
Loving TNC draft here
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