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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 05 2018 11:32 GMT
#241
What an amazing initiation from Mineski, that was really good.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 05 2018 11:38 GMT
#242
On April 05 2018 20:32 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:09 Vertical wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.

Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.

"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.

you always take things personally? or just dont like stats?
he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly

And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?

You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...

Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...

No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.

in a retrospect take a look at OD, very similar pick rate and win rate, 16 pick 69% win rate
9 of his winning game are played by LGD, VG, Mineski

But OD is another hero that is in a really good spot right now. if other teams don't pick him that doesn't mean that he is not good or that they don't think he is good, but probably that they are not comfortable with him or building strategies that revolves around him.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 05 2018 11:39 GMT
#243
And Eleven suicides without using any of his abilities, and using BKB at 1/5 of his HP and just instantly dies, what a shocker. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
April 05 2018 11:40 GMT
#244
Old eleven doing his very best to play in full tilt mode
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 05 2018 11:41 GMT
#245
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC
-Terran-
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
April 05 2018 11:44 GMT
#246
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-05 11:44:45
April 05 2018 11:44 GMT
#247
Kick eleven plz.

Or move paparazzi to a decent team, I dunno.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 05 2018 11:44 GMT
#248
I will go and say that this whole game was on Eleven, Mineski played great but I can't help to feel that Guardian Angel, Repel and Heal would change the outcome of a lot of fights where he didn't use any of those.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
April 05 2018 11:46 GMT
#249
On April 05 2018 20:44 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I will go and say that this whole game was on Eleven, Mineski played great but I can't help to feel that Guardian Angel, Repel and Heal would change the outcome of a lot of fights where he didn't use any of those.

Buy a blink dagger, stay in the back and blink in right after they intiiate on your frontline. Instead he went this garbage build of Hotd and BKB(Cause he keept dieing in stupid places he shouldnt be in)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-05 11:52:11
April 05 2018 11:46 GMT
#250
On April 05 2018 20:44 maze. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.

How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol?
Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.

NA maths, forgot that as pointed out it is 3x 225 points due to the silly system because of team hoping TT
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44138 Posts
April 05 2018 11:48 GMT
#251
On April 05 2018 20:44 maze. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.

Alright so team mushi just needs to not deliver
this is a quote
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 05 2018 11:50 GMT
#252
On April 05 2018 20:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:32 Vertical wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:19 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:09 Vertical wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.

Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.

"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.

you always take things personally? or just dont like stats?
he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly

And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?

You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...

Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...

No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.

in a retrospect take a look at OD, very similar pick rate and win rate, 16 pick 69% win rate
9 of his winning game are played by LGD, VG, Mineski

But OD is another hero that is in a really good spot right now. if other teams don't pick him that doesn't mean that he is not good or that they don't think he is good, but probably that they are not comfortable with him or building strategies that revolves around him.

all this "hero in good spot" is the meta heroes. maybe in the next tournament their winrate will lower once the lesser team start picking them up.
-Terran-
Damned627
Profile Joined November 2016
Indonesia264 Posts
April 05 2018 11:50 GMT
#253
On April 05 2018 20:46 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:44 maze. wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.

How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol?
Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.




If Mineski gains at minimum 225 Points, then it will be 225*3 which is 675, and that is more than enough to overtake EG if they're only behind by 435 points.
None
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
April 05 2018 11:51 GMT
#254
On April 05 2018 20:50 Damned627 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:46 Pandemona wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:44 maze. wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.

How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol?
Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.




If Mineski gains at minimum 225 Points, then it will be 225*3 which is 675, and that is more than enough to overtake EG if they're only behind by 435 points.

Ah ok then that is where my math is flawed. This system hurts my head as i thought the points are given to the team, then i realized about the player rule and remembered and then well this is stupid xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
April 05 2018 11:52 GMT
#255
On April 05 2018 20:46 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 20:44 maze. wrote:
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote:
we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC


Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.

How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol?
Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.




225 points per player. 3 players count for dpc, which means at least 675points for both LGD and Mineski.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
April 05 2018 11:54 GMT
#256
eleven and oldchicken have 50-50 chance to go either outstanding or disgusting
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-05 11:56:10
April 05 2018 11:55 GMT
#257
Someone already updated the DPC ranking in liquidpedia based on potential points earned lol
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44138 Posts
April 05 2018 11:56 GMT
#258
I think it's for the good that since that probably means NA gets 2 qualifier spots. With SEA getting 2 for sure(and 1 directly invited) which means all TI quality teams get in.
this is a quote
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
April 05 2018 11:59 GMT
#259
Well;
EU - 1
CIS - 1
China - 1
SEA - 2
NA - 2
SA - 1

8 spots for qualifying? I can't see China only getting one, so i would assume SEA or NA don't get 2 xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-05 12:04:53
April 05 2018 12:04 GMT
#260
Last year TI had 18 teams with no wildcards.
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