4 winners advance, losers are eliminated. [/] Playoffs [/] 8 teams: 4 winners of the Breakout and the Top 4 winners from Group Stage [/] Double-elimination bracket. [/] The first two rounds of the Lower bracket are Bo1, while the Grand Finals are Bo5. Others are Bo3.
really not sure what to make of EG vs VP. I'd guess (and that's all it is, a guess) that EG is one of the better teams to take on VP from a mindset point-of-view. Also, VP might be a little down from yesterday... So I'd honestly put the series at much more of a coinflip than it should be. It being bo1 only makes that more extreme.
But yeah this bo1 business is weird. I can kind of get behind that for the r1 LB but bo1 for top6 games (a win to get top4) is silly. That should not be happening
Other than that I'm on TL to win, Vici to win, EG vs VP? hell who knows, TNC to win?
Upper bracket goes really interesting. 3 of the 4 teams really need those locked in DPC points, as the loser still faces a Bo1, which means a draft mistake and your tournament is over. Mineski puts themselves in prime position for a direct invite with at least 3rd. LGD needs 2nd.
There's a funny scenario where Mineski gets 4th, LGD gets 3rd and Na'Vi stays in the hunt for a TI invite by the barest of margins.
Really feels like EG haven't been on the same page; Fear has been looking for kills with his shadow blade and just went for it there even though his team had no chance
Honestly feels like EG are on the same page, it's just the only page.
Try and farm all three cores alone on the map, get picked off endlessly as a result (even if your lanes should be good with supports to save), farm-out to semi-stabilise the game and then immediately lose at that stage by forcing a critical fight they don't have to.
On April 05 2018 11:41 babysimba wrote: Wtf just realised VG won TNC yesterday. Tuned out halfway in game 3 after VG was so behind with mid game cores DK and DP lol.
VG played well enough and TNC played poor enough to turn the series.
Wouldn't Fear be a better offlaner than Sumail? Sometimes they need their Position 2 player to scale and farm well instead of having him fall off and do nothing but enable his offlaner and Pos 1.
Even Liquid has struggled with Matumbaman on green heroes and they still frequently rely on him to carry the game over Miracle. Is Fear the person you rely on to carry your game like that? I feel like Fear could be like S4 and FATA, mid players who all played a role similar to each other who made a great transition into the offlane role.
Seeing everyone on Reddit bandwagon against Fear is quite sad. Maybe not the most stellar performance by him, but what can he really do that game? Seems impossible to actually try and set the tempo when both RTZ and Sumail are off farming alone (and getting picked off). And from the games I've seen it's the same story every game, just that it works against lesser teams/unprepared teams. Teams of VPs calibre, not so much.
EG needs to expand their hero pool and strategies. Playing passively and outfarming the opponents may work against T2/T3 teams but not against T1. When EG announced Fear would return as a core player I imagined they would take advantage of his huge hero pool but they have done just the opposite. For example at DAC 2015 he played PA, troll, jugg, AM, lycan, medusa, lone druid, and luna.
actually so embarassing for tnc they can either go deep exterminating optic which were without pango or ld or they can tp back and kill ld and they pick neither
The real MVP of the game was those two wards TNC left down that let them kill the PL & force the buyback, killing his momentum. If he gets the Nullifier faster, it turns another fight.
TNC & Mineski have actually been using a trick that Wings almost perfected, though Wings insisted on using heroes you wouldn't potentially ban. They take an interesting combo that can shut down a specific lane, then use that to get their snowball going. It takes the right heroes to capitalize upon it, but the approach works so you get the first set of outer towers, which closes up the map.
Can't believe these dumb ass Bo1 games aren't even done yet. I can't believe DOTA has gotten to this point where anybody thinks this amount of Bo1 games is even remotely acceptable. They had time for 4 Bo3s yesterday but don't have time for them today? How ridiculous
On April 05 2018 13:12 OmniEulogy wrote: Sam_H played out of his mind and I don't think the panel mentioned him once rofl
He was a less useful Underlord after 25 minutes, but he had a really good game up to that point. Main thing was the pipe + crimson meant he just didn't die.
Winning his lane is what allowed TNC to win this match, but his impact was pretty limited after that gank on PL at 31 minutes.
On April 05 2018 13:18 juuto wrote: Can't believe these dumb ass Bo1 games aren't even done yet. I can't believe DOTA has gotten to this point where anybody thinks this amount of Bo1 games is even remotely acceptable. They had time for 4 Bo3s yesterday but don't have time for them today? How ridiculous
there was already 4 days of group stages...if it wasn't for group stage then fine, double bracket BO3s. but this is sufficient
On April 05 2018 13:18 juuto wrote: Can't believe these dumb ass Bo1 games aren't even done yet. I can't believe DOTA has gotten to this point where anybody thinks this amount of Bo1 games is even remotely acceptable. They had time for 4 Bo3s yesterday but don't have time for them today? How ridiculous
there was already 4 days of group stages...if it wasn't for group stage then fine, double bracket BO3s. but this is sufficient
Bo1s don't belong in DOTA. 6 days of them is an atrocity.
Congrats to TNC, though, as they played a good enough game to win. Now they just have to pray TL wins, as LGD is a better match up for them, beating them twice in the Bo1s.
Still 5 man liquid dota is too strong , lets see if they can be countered later on , you surely cant go greedy vs liquid they execute so crisply on their timing on push , dont like them but gotta appreciate the sharpness and execution !
On April 05 2018 14:20 LemOn wrote: Who is this co-commentator surprised how clutch Liquid is lol xD he's like a kid seeign them for the first time haha
It's Swindlemelonzz lol. I guess he's not used to watching people be good at Dota.
In other news, turns out you shouldn't draft no damage into three tanky cores and Wisp.
On April 05 2018 14:20 LemOn wrote: Who is this co-commentator surprised how clutch Liquid is lol xD he's like a kid seeign them for the first time haha
People were talking shit about Liquid's relentless Veno/Viper Matu picks But here you go, everyone started banning those He actually played them so much people fast ban them!
I have no idea what willl Miracle get the boys need midgame damage EDIT: they were not sure at first And then started laughing hah I expect some cheese :D EDIT2: nvm got serious again deathball it is
On April 05 2018 14:44 LemOn wrote: I have no idea what willl Miracle get the boys need midgame damage EDIT: they were not sure at first And then started laughing hah I expect some cheese :D EDIT2: nvm got serious again deathball it is
Surprising deathball you mean , i guess if no one can beat dont change it
On April 05 2018 14:42 LemOn wrote: People were talking shit about Liquid's relentless Veno/Viper Matu picks But here you go, everyone started banning those He actually played them so much people fast ban them!
Veno messes up what most teams want to do.
Main thing was TL just wasn't on the same page in a lot of team fights during the Group Stage.
Other thing with Leshrac is that he feels really ineffective with the farm he gets until really late in the game. We're not in a hard defensive support Meta, so he just is so incredibly squishy.
On April 05 2018 14:44 LemOn wrote: I have no idea what willl Miracle get the boys need midgame damage EDIT: they were not sure at first And then started laughing hah I expect some cheese :D EDIT2: nvm got serious again deathball it is
Surprising deathball you mean , i guess if no one can beat dont change it
Guess they had to go sth cheesy they considered it But naix just doesn't have enough damage
Question regarding the bracket , VP will play the loser of LGD vs Liquid or the other series? it makes no sense to put VP vs Liquid again for example .... they should mix the brackets , but in liquipedia it looks like VP vs LGD/Liquid
On April 05 2018 15:25 bluzi wrote: Question regarding the bracket , VP will play the loser of LGD vs Liquid or the other series? it makes no sense to put VP vs Liquid again for example .... they should mix the brackets , but in liquipedia it looks like VP vs LGD/Liquid
What does this bounty do here ? they didnt notice Liquid wants to 5 man your face? what a weird pick............ they gonna get run down by 4 of liquid while PL farms or joins .
On April 05 2018 15:38 LemOn wrote: This is trouble TNC have shown how effective a curveball support tiny can be hard draft
TnC have trouble closing game they suffer a lot vs Optic split push
I'd say they're not Liquid class yet
Yeah, but that draft Idea was genius! if Chinese teams suddenly got this flexibility they'd be way more dangerous Because unlike tragic TNC they have the all game long execution
On April 05 2018 15:44 bluzi wrote: What does this bounty do here ? they didnt notice Liquid wants to 5 man your face? what a weird pick............ they gonna get run down by 4 of liquid while PL farms or joins .
Shut down Gh jungle stacking + the meta is very trade deaths constant deathballs heavy so do reasonably well, trade deaths, come up on top
BH roles is to scout out the Liquid 5 men gang. See all the while when Liquids in fog, BH revealed them and the most Liquids can do is to kill BH but they loss the gang. And Liquid plan of let kotl farm failed by BH too cos kotl almost visible in every angle.
That Lotus Orb saved Underlord for 4 seconds because of reflected Snowball. :D
This game is crazy hahaha.
On April 05 2018 19:25 Vertical wrote: what is puck rapid fire dream coil?
He auto-attacks all targets that were hit by his Dream Coil for the duration of Dream Coil. Talent is insane in certain circumstances because he auto-attacks without needing to attack actually if that makes sense. Like if he Phase Shifts he keeps attacking, if he moves he keeps attacking.
Dunno why people keep talking about late game Underlord, he is broken like in all stages of the game haha. He doesn't have a bad spell, his Pit of Malice is probably among the best basic spells in the game, his Firestorm deals percent based damage and allows early Rosh kills, he is one of the rare heroes that can lane against Omniknight, he is pain in the ass to handle in the lane, and even if shut down hard he will always find farm later because of how fast he farms. He also needs like Soul Ring with Sticks and will have enough mana for everything.
And just as I type this, Kyle starts talking about Underlord and how all of his spells are too good haha.
Tusk + Gyro was a bad open to the draft, even if it's been over an hour, haha. Mineski should have won that, though they didn't throw it. Little details were the difference.
On April 05 2018 19:32 Ramiz1989 wrote: Dunno why people keep talking about late game Underlord, he is broken like in all stages of the game haha. He doesn't have a bad spell, his Pit of Malice is probably among the best basic spells in the game, his Firestorm deals percent based damage and allows early Rosh kills, he is one of the rare heroes that can lane against Omniknight, he is pain in the ass to handle in the lane, and even if shut down hard he will always find farm later because of how fast he farms. He also needs like Soul Ring with Sticks and will have enough mana for everything.
And just as I type this, Kyle starts talking about Underlord and how all of his spells are too good haha.
he has 17 picks with 70.6% winrate this tournament but 9 of which is played by Vici, LGD, Liquid which are the strongest team right now and 100% win rate by them there's only 3 instances where he won when not picked by those 3 teams and lost the remaining 5 games by other team
the 3 games where he won are played by Mineski (also a strong team at the moment), IG (against lol effect lol), and Newbee (vs TnC, the only legit match)
the way it currently stands, its VG, LGD, Liquid that made uberlord looks imba
I think Tusk / Gyro opening was ok, maybe Gyro needs to be sat mid though to get his levels quicker to make a more impact mid game. But Gyro right now even after the nerf imo is a great hero due to he is online so fast.
I personally think iceiceice had a bad game then to, he died alot trying to go for ganks that weren't there and if he didn't die from them normally a team mate died instead. Rubick disappointing as well, maybe they should have went for a better 5.
On April 05 2018 19:32 Ramiz1989 wrote: Dunno why people keep talking about late game Underlord, he is broken like in all stages of the game haha. He doesn't have a bad spell, his Pit of Malice is probably among the best basic spells in the game, his Firestorm deals percent based damage and allows early Rosh kills, he is one of the rare heroes that can lane against Omniknight, he is pain in the ass to handle in the lane, and even if shut down hard he will always find farm later because of how fast he farms. He also needs like Soul Ring with Sticks and will have enough mana for everything.
And just as I type this, Kyle starts talking about Underlord and how all of his spells are too good haha.
he has 17 picks with 70.6% winrate this tournament but 9 of which is played by Vici, LGD, Liquid which are the strongest team right now and 100% win rate by them there's only 3 instances where he won when not picked by those 3 teams and lost the remaining 5 games by other team
He has been highly contested ban/pick in other tournaments as well. Also there is a reason why these good teams keep picking him, he brings a lot to the table compared to some other position 3 heroes.
On April 05 2018 19:32 Ramiz1989 wrote: Dunno why people keep talking about late game Underlord, he is broken like in all stages of the game haha. He doesn't have a bad spell, his Pit of Malice is probably among the best basic spells in the game, his Firestorm deals percent based damage and allows early Rosh kills, he is one of the rare heroes that can lane against Omniknight, he is pain in the ass to handle in the lane, and even if shut down hard he will always find farm later because of how fast he farms. He also needs like Soul Ring with Sticks and will have enough mana for everything.
And just as I type this, Kyle starts talking about Underlord and how all of his spells are too good haha.
he has 17 picks with 70.6% winrate this tournament but 9 of which is played by Vici, LGD, Liquid which are the strongest team right now and 100% win rate by them there's only 3 instances where he won when not picked by those 3 teams and lost the remaining 5 games by other team
He has been highly contested ban/pick in other tournaments as well. Also there is a reason why these good teams keep picking him, he brings a lot to the table compared to some other position 3 heroes.
well yeah, its going to be a chicken and egg argument is it the team makes the hero good or the hero is good so the team win
but on the defense of "it is the good team that plays him" argument out of 8 games he is played as not VG, LGD, Liquid he lost 5 and the other 3 that they won are by Mineski: another top team this tournament IG: played against Effect Newbee: the only "legit" win against TNC
I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
you always take things personally? or just dont like stats? he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
you always take things personally? or just dont like stats? he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly
And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?
You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...
Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...
No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.
On April 05 2018 20:26 Pandemona wrote: OldEleven having a stinker, the bkb purchase was great but running away from your team behind towers on your own makes no sense.
It was great, he just used it again for no reason. ;D
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
you always take things personally? or just dont like stats? he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly
And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?
You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...
Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...
No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.
in a retrospect take a look at OD, very similar pick rate and win rate, 16 pick 69% win rate 9 of his winning game are played by LGD, VG, Mineski
my point is, whichever hero is picked by the top teams looked reaallly good
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
you always take things personally? or just dont like stats? he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly
And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?
You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...
Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...
No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.
in a retrospect take a look at OD, very similar pick rate and win rate, 16 pick 69% win rate 9 of his winning game are played by LGD, VG, Mineski
But OD is another hero that is in a really good spot right now. if other teams don't pick him that doesn't mean that he is not good or that they don't think he is good, but probably that they are not comfortable with him or building strategies that revolves around him.
I will go and say that this whole game was on Eleven, Mineski played great but I can't help to feel that Guardian Angel, Repel and Heal would change the outcome of a lot of fights where he didn't use any of those.
On April 05 2018 20:44 Ramiz1989 wrote: I will go and say that this whole game was on Eleven, Mineski played great but I can't help to feel that Guardian Angel, Repel and Heal would change the outcome of a lot of fights where he didn't use any of those.
Buy a blink dagger, stay in the back and blink in right after they intiiate on your frontline. Instead he went this garbage build of Hotd and BKB(Cause he keept dieing in stupid places he shouldnt be in)
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote: we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC
Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.
How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol? Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.
NA maths, forgot that as pointed out it is 3x 225 points due to the silly system because of team hoping TT
On April 05 2018 20:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't understand you really, you are again, like the last time, forcing yourself into discussion for no reason at all. Like, all of the pro players think that he is really good, they openly say it, he is being picked and banned a lot by top teams in every tournament, he is top pick in high level pubs as well.
Then you come to the conclusion how he was always played by "better" teams, and that's the reason why he has high winrate, and not because he is good. Because that is obviously an argument that you are trying to make.
"The only legit win against TNC" All of his wins were Legit.
you always take things personally? or just dont like stats? he is good, but to say he's imba, I wont go there quickly
And what stats are you exactly talking about? You realize that good teams pick him because he is good, not because they think that they will win the game easily so they pick "whatever"?
You are ignoring your own stats, you say how he has 70+% win rate, but hey none of his games were legit because they were against arguably weaker teams? WTF...
Out of those strong teams that pick him, one is Liquid that in this tournament went 4-3 in group stages and then 1-3 in Tiebreakers. And most of the games they have lost against those arguably "weaker" teams...
No, he is not overpowered hero, but he is really good right now and better than most position 3 heroes.
in a retrospect take a look at OD, very similar pick rate and win rate, 16 pick 69% win rate 9 of his winning game are played by LGD, VG, Mineski
But OD is another hero that is in a really good spot right now. if other teams don't pick him that doesn't mean that he is not good or that they don't think he is good, but probably that they are not comfortable with him or building strategies that revolves around him.
all this "hero in good spot" is the meta heroes. maybe in the next tournament their winrate will lower once the lesser team start picking them up.
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote: we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC
Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.
How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol? Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.
If Mineski gains at minimum 225 Points, then it will be 225*3 which is 675, and that is more than enough to overtake EG if they're only behind by 435 points.
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote: we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC
Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.
How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol? Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.
If Mineski gains at minimum 225 Points, then it will be 225*3 which is 675, and that is more than enough to overtake EG if they're only behind by 435 points.
Ah ok then that is where my math is flawed. This system hurts my head as i thought the points are given to the team, then i realized about the player rule and remembered and then well this is stupid xD
On April 05 2018 20:41 Vertical wrote: we're getting closer to knock Na'Vi and EG out of top 8 DPC
Navi are out. If LGD beats Mineski tomorrow, then EG are out as well.
How do both EG and NAVI lose out if Mineski lose lol? Mineski are top 3 which is minimum 225 points and are 435 points behind EG? LGD are going to overtake EG and put NAVI into 9th place and EG into 8th, but Mineski are still in 10th unless they get top 2 in which then your theory happens if they only get top 3 then they stay 10th.
225 points per player. 3 players count for dpc, which means at least 675points for both LGD and Mineski.
I think it's for the good that since that probably means NA gets 2 qualifier spots. With SEA getting 2 for sure(and 1 directly invited) which means all TI quality teams get in.
On April 05 2018 20:59 Pandemona wrote: Well; EU - 1 CIS - 1 China - 1 SEA - 2 NA - 2 SA - 1
8 spots for qualifying? I can't see China only getting one, so i would assume SEA or NA don't get 2 xD
SA deserves 0 spots. They should be grouped with NA scene since if they're worth something they'll beat NA
The way i see it
CN == SEA > NA > EU
in how many qualification spots people deserve. SEA has 3 really strong teams atm then we have NA with 1 strong team(Optic is very unstable) then we have EU who deserves just 1.
Then china of course as we have seen has like 5 teams who are capable of going to the finals and proven so throughout the rosterlock season
funny in this 1v1, Chinese player in the semis are from the team that is still in the tournament, while the western player are coming from team that already knocked out
On April 05 2018 22:16 Vertical wrote: funny in this 1v1, Chinese player in the semis are from the team that is still in the tournament, while the western player are coming from team that already knocked out
The qualifying spots will depend on the teams that make it for the invites. Lets say that the 8 invited teams are
1x CIS 2x EU 3x China 1x SEA 1x NA
I am pretty sure China would get 2 slots and SEA would get 2 slots. No way, SA gets more than 1 slot. So we have CIS, EU and NA left with 5 slots to distribute. EU 2 slots seems confirmed, so either NA or CIS could get 2 slots. That would make 2 slots for NA because the TI is hosted in NA. Sounds legit so far?
I just realized that the Loser bracket is BO 1 then we wait 6 hours to get to loser bracket finals I know there's going to be an All Star match, but isnt it still waaayy to long to wait 6 hours
EPT
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