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Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
February 23 2018 17:49 GMT
#141
On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO


I agree with this. Maybe if reflection doesn't apply passives + heavy range nerf on sunder and he's probably in a decent place
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44151 Posts
February 23 2018 17:49 GMT
#142
On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO

Him being low strength gain is practically useless due to the fact that the build he goes always goes for stats that he still ends up with 2-3k just like every other carry.

Nerfing sunder is just gonna make him useless i think.
this is a quote
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 17:50 GMT
#143
Sunder is the bullshit spell on TB. Need enough hard disables to deal with him late game, but heroes with hard disables tend to be shit early game and will give too much space to TB.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44151 Posts
February 23 2018 17:51 GMT
#144
On February 24 2018 02:49 Wineandbread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO


I agree with this. Maybe if reflection doesn't apply passives + heavy range nerf on sunder and he's probably in a decent place

Huh range nerf on sunder is actually a reasonable solution but how much nerf and does it still scale to full range ? Since TB is really broken around mid-lategame so if it's just the early-midgame range nerf it's gonna be useless considering how fast TB gets levels.
this is a quote
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 23 2018 18:01 GMT
#145
Is Secret the only team that can comeback against Liquid? Yes, Liquid does lose to other teams, but it's always after they lose the lanes and get snowballed, but I remember a couple games where they were winning against Secret, but couldn't finish the game.
super gg
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 23 2018 18:02 GMT
#146
secret won? can someone give me a summary, I had to take a long phone call
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
February 23 2018 18:03 GMT
#147
On February 24 2018 03:02 Achaian wrote:
secret won? can someone give me a summary, I had to take a long phone call


Can't break high-ground, Terrorblade counters SF.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
February 23 2018 18:05 GMT
#148
On February 24 2018 02:51 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 02:49 Wineandbread wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO


I agree with this. Maybe if reflection doesn't apply passives + heavy range nerf on sunder and he's probably in a decent place

Huh range nerf on sunder is actually a reasonable solution but how much nerf and does it still scale to full range ? Since TB is really broken around mid-lategame so if it's just the early-midgame range nerf it's gonna be useless considering how fast TB gets levels.


I don't think it should scale to its original range. Right now I feel like Sunder is basically a better version of time lapse, 550 range more or less means he gets it off no matter what as long as he's not chain cc'd, with the benefit of fucking up an enemy hero's HP pool. And it's no mana at lvl3.

Maybe around 350 range? And add a slight mana cost at lvl3

Well who knows what icefrog wants. At least we'll see if his nerf is warranted after this major, I think the next 2 week patch will definitely nerf him somehow
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 23 2018 18:07 GMT
#149
Tb again, surprise surprise
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 23 2018 18:12 GMT
#150
i miss necro T_T
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:14 GMT
#151
Ok secret going to win this
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 23 2018 18:14 GMT
#152
really not sure what secret see on undying this patch
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 23 2018 18:14 GMT
#153
get bloodseeker please Secret
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 23 2018 18:14 GMT
#154
offlane pug?
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:15 GMT
#155
Undying to rekt TB's lane. Low str hero that gets decayed = GG. This game Liquid actually has weak supports, I don't think they can protect TB this time.
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 23 2018 18:17 GMT
#156
On February 24 2018 03:15 babysimba wrote:
Undying to rekt TB's lane. Low str hero that gets decayed = GG. This game Liquid actually has weak supports, I don't think they can protect TB this time.



This brood will create the chaos Liquid need IMO
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:17 GMT
#157
Liquid can potentially pick last pick brood for Matu that rapes Secret though
Chillander
Profile Joined September 2017
219 Posts
February 23 2018 18:19 GMT
#158
Ah man, liquid drafts are so boring
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 23 2018 18:19 GMT
#159
here i thought its going to be hard for liquid ... and there is the broodmother
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:21 GMT
#160
Only way is to put bat in brood lane I guess. At least bat can go into jungle
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