EPT[ESL One] Katowice 2018 - Day 4 - Page 10
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Tegenaria
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
I like that outdrafts exist, it's great and shouldn't change. But brood is too much, watching a brood game is not fun. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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goody153
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i didn't think of that but i've seen liquid ban brood this tournament sometime .. probably a hero in their mind | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On February 24 2018 03:47 cecek wrote: Yeah, Broodmother is a mistake. I fully believe the pro scene would be a bit more fun to watch if it didn't exist at all. I like that outdrafts exist, it's great and shouldn't change. But brood is too much, watching a brood game is not fun. Liquid showed just yesterday how to deal with a brood last pick, and it was a good one and none of their heroes could handle that lane. | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Well they only have themselves to blame for throwing yesterday's free win game lol. | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
On February 24 2018 03:47 cecek wrote: Yeah, Broodmother is a mistake. I fully believe the pro scene would be a bit more fun to watch if it didn't exist at all. I like that outdrafts exist, it's great and shouldn't change. But brood is too much, watching a brood game is not fun. That was a zero counter brood game. A game with brood and decent opposition from the other side is a different game. It wasn't even just brood just that liquid had the better lanes overall. If we start removing brood then lets remove all all obnoxious heroes might as well. TB, tInker, alchemist, invoker. We'll probably lose half the heroes and retain shit like venge and CM. It's not broods fault i've seen games where brood gets rekt cause draft was good. | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote: Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out. I think venge has a reasonable winrate, idk about visage but it can be effective. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote: Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out. I personally have the attitude that I give an advantage to any team who picks core venge. It just feels like when a team picks core venge they have a really good plan in mind and know that they can push that down. Brood is the same in that regard for me. People don't pick Brood unless they're comfortable that it will win the game for them. Visage on the other hand I'm with you. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote: Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out. Yeah, https://www.dotabuff.com/procircuit/hero-meta Venge has a 50% winrate in the last 30 days, though it doesn't differentiate between core and support. Visage was 2-1 before this game, and I don't think he's ever picked as support anymore. | ||
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babysimba
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On February 24 2018 13:45 Kelefei2016 wrote: Was the 3rd game Secret VS Liquid is a throw game? Liquid got their best heroes (Miracle TB, Matu BM, Kuroky Chen & GH Earth) while Secret having their try out combo in deciding game... Midone Venge? Come on, If Mushi Venge i still can understand...hey Puppey, though Midone and Mushi are both Malaysian, but not every Malaysian know how to use Venge as good as Mushi. Ace Visage? These 2 carry are low damage output heroes, and Fata batrider is a joke, means their 3 cores can only kill one hero, lol... Puppey had first pick and decided to pass on the TB, who was then instantly taken by Liquid. The draft was lost then and there, but that didn't seem enough for Secret so they decided to last pick carry Venge(???) for their 10k player which resulted in a free Brood last pick for Liquid. A case of Puppey/Secret trying to be too cute and surprise the opponent. I don't like the word "throw" but that was a 100% draft throw. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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