[ESL One] Katowice 2018 - Day 4

On February 23 2018 23:10 Pandemona wrote:
LOL Sumail Enigma NOOOOOOOOOOOO hahaha

Yea

On February 23 2018 23:27 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Did Sccc just die to Roshan?

On February 23 2018 23:29 its_a_me wrote:
defuq is newbee doing?

On February 23 2018 23:39 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah EG banned the OD which was a good ban but yeah seemed EG forced them into picking TB or maybe they didn't think they would pick it last as they had the Ursa. Nothing could lane vs that mid Enigma in the end which was a very good lane for it.

Ursa had no where to go and Terrorblade needed way more time and better fights. Very good draft from EG :D
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On February 24 2018 00:01 Pandemona wrote:
Much better straight forward draft from Newbee, however PL vs Terrorblade isn't such a good match up late game is it?

On February 24 2018 00:13 AMHB wrote:
To be fair, EG's drafting has been spectacular both games. Newbee at a disadvantage from minute 0.

On February 24 2018 00:17 Asha wrote:
What an awful series from Newbee

On February 24 2018 00:20 goody153 wrote:
wait newbee vs liquid is already playoffs right ? does the matches start on the stadium tomorrow or today ?

On February 24 2018 00:22 cecek wrote:
Well done by EG, punks stumped and all that. But what the fuck happened to Newbee? I wouldn't expect them to lose like this to ANY team.

On February 24 2018 00:21 Asha wrote:
Newbee should probably disband after that lol

On February 24 2018 00:24 Damned627 wrote:

You meant Secret, and no, Secret vs Liquid will not be played live at the stadium.

On February 24 2018 01:23 babysimba wrote:
Meta is way too snowbally from won lanes. Icefrog need to somehow give the team that is behind ways to defend outer towers or make them go down slower, but also make high ground easier to breach instead.

On February 24 2018 01:23 babysimba wrote:
Meta is way too snowbally from won lanes. Icefrog need to somehow give the team that is behind ways to defend outer towers or make them go down slower, but also make high ground easier to breach instead.

On February 24 2018 01:38 uthgard wrote:
hard to see secret coming back tbh, rip dpc points

On February 24 2018 01:37 goody153 wrote:
i don't understand why does facebook stream start lagging for me when i watch in a long time ugh

back to twitch i guess

On February 24 2018 02:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:


It's still technically possible 8 teams could jump them, but reality is 1 Major victory should secure a direct invite. Mostly as it's far more likely that several teams will win multiple Majors.

On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.

On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO

On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO

On February 24 2018 02:49 Wineandbread wrote:


I agree with this. Maybe if reflection doesn't apply passives + heavy range nerf on sunder and he's probably in a decent place

On February 24 2018 02:51 goody153 wrote:

Huh range nerf on sunder is actually a reasonable solution but how much nerf and does it still scale to full range ? Since TB is really broken around mid-lategame so if it's just the early-midgame range nerf it's gonna be useless considering how fast TB gets levels.

On February 24 2018 03:15 babysimba wrote:
Undying to rekt TB's lane. Low str hero that gets decayed = GG. This game Liquid actually has weak supports, I don't think they can protect TB this time.

On February 24 2018 03:05 Wineandbread wrote:


I don't think it should scale to its original range. Right now I feel like Sunder is basically a better version of time lapse, 550 range more or less means he gets it off no matter what as long as he's not chain cc'd, with the benefit of fucking up an enemy hero's HP pool. And it's no mana at lvl3.

Maybe around 350 range? And add a slight mana cost at lvl3

Well who knows what icefrog wants. At least we'll see if his nerf is warranted after this major, I think the next 2 week patch will definitely nerf him somehow

On February 24 2018 03:22 Taf the Ghost wrote:
How are Secret going to do damage late in the game?

On February 24 2018 03:38 spudde123 wrote:
The issue isn't just the Brood but also that Secret had to scramble to salvage the side lanes and they couldn't put any resources into keeping the Brood down. Sometimes not having an incredible lane counter can still work out if you can limit the bleeding through other lanes going well and freeing up your time to rotate on the Brood, but in this game it wasn't the case at all

On February 24 2018 03:47 cecek wrote:
Yeah, Broodmother is a mistake. I fully believe the pro scene would be a bit more fun to watch if it didn't exist at all.

I like that outdrafts exist, it's great and shouldn't change. But brood is too much, watching a brood game is not fun.

On February 24 2018 03:47 cecek wrote:
Yeah, Broodmother is a mistake. I fully believe the pro scene would be a bit more fun to watch if it didn't exist at all.

I like that outdrafts exist, it's great and shouldn't change. But brood is too much, watching a brood game is not fun.

On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote:
Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out.

On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote:
Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out.

On February 24 2018 03:50 Jonoman92 wrote:
Is there a place to look up pro stats for certain heroes? I feel like core venge and core visage usually lose when I see them played, so I can't say I was surprised Secret lost, even before the brood pick came out.

On February 24 2018 13:45 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Was the 3rd game Secret VS Liquid is a throw game? Liquid got their best heroes (Miracle TB, Matu BM, Kuroky Chen & GH Earth) while Secret having their try out combo in deciding game... Midone Venge? Come on, If Mushi Venge i still can understand...hey Puppey, though Midone and Mushi are both Malaysian, but not every Malaysian know how to use Venge as good as Mushi. Ace Visage? These 2 carry are low damage output heroes, and Fata batrider is a joke, means their 3 cores can only kill one hero, lol...

On February 24 2018 13:45 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Was the 3rd game Secret VS Liquid is a throw game? Liquid got their best heroes (Miracle TB, Matu BM, Kuroky Chen & GH Earth) while Secret having their try out combo in deciding game... Midone Venge? Come on, If Mushi Venge i still can understand...hey Puppey, though Midone and Mushi are both Malaysian, but not every Malaysian know how to use Venge as good as Mushi. Ace Visage? These 2 carry are low damage output heroes, and Fata batrider is a joke, means their 3 cores can only kill one hero, lol...

On February 24 2018 17:24 its_a_me wrote:
He had a plan why he passed on TB, he drafted a lvl6 ready to push and pressure line up. I would have preferred gyro over venge but i can see why he picked her. Then he forgot about brood and GG.