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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 23 2018 18:22 GMT
#161
How are Secret going to do damage late in the game?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 23 2018 18:23 GMT
#162
either this brood is gonna smash secret

or

secret crushing all lanes even if brood lane is not included to the point that brood just can't 1v5

On February 24 2018 03:05 Wineandbread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 02:51 goody153 wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:49 Wineandbread wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:45 Tegenaria wrote:
On February 24 2018 02:42 goody153 wrote:
TB needs a HUGE hero rework not just a nerf

this is the only hero that has a high chase capacity(high range + skadi + manta build), really high hp, high attack speed and high armor that actually outscales anything in damage and the farm acceleration just keeps increasing the longer the game

even pre-nerfed range druid didn't look this abusable .. it's just so good that i don't think there's a single hero who has better carry potential than that hero

he just does almost everything better than other rightclick heroes

Cause if icefrog just gets nerfed it's not gonna be enough or too much that renders the hero unusable.


Agree with most part exept TB has a very low HP pool and strenght gain.
He just need a nerf on reflection and a nerf to Sunder IMO


I agree with this. Maybe if reflection doesn't apply passives + heavy range nerf on sunder and he's probably in a decent place

Huh range nerf on sunder is actually a reasonable solution but how much nerf and does it still scale to full range ? Since TB is really broken around mid-lategame so if it's just the early-midgame range nerf it's gonna be useless considering how fast TB gets levels.


I don't think it should scale to its original range. Right now I feel like Sunder is basically a better version of time lapse, 550 range more or less means he gets it off no matter what as long as he's not chain cc'd, with the benefit of fucking up an enemy hero's HP pool. And it's no mana at lvl3.

Maybe around 350 range? And add a slight mana cost at lvl3

Well who knows what icefrog wants. At least we'll see if his nerf is warranted after this major, I think the next 2 week patch will definitely nerf him somehow

Hmm it doesn't feel enough change and i'm still into the rework camp. Void and PL reworks worked pretty well tbh.(Though the rework just made those heroes alot better than the old ones)
this is a quote
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32748 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 18:25:10
February 23 2018 18:24 GMT
#163
Lmao Miracle killing spree 2 minutes in.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 23 2018 18:24 GMT
#164
On February 24 2018 03:22 Taf the Ghost wrote:
How are Secret going to do damage late in the game?

venge does enough damage eventually .. also visage if that hero gets a good start
this is a quote
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 23 2018 18:25 GMT
#165
this game is over. Terrorblade has no weaknesses now
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:25 GMT
#166
No way Secret can crush other lanes because Liquid has a chen that can easily win 1 side lane for them
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 23 2018 18:27 GMT
#167
So this is gonna be another Brood stomp, huh? What a shit day of dota, we got one good game.
super gg
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 23 2018 18:28 GMT
#168
Dota has too many broken last pick heroes due to Icefrog's balancing philosophy. Should just fucking shift the 3rd ban from first phase to extra ban in last phase.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 23 2018 18:29 GMT
#169
these are the dark days when a brood beats batrider in lane. volvo please
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9047 Posts
February 23 2018 18:29 GMT
#170
Flamebreak is probably better than Firefly vs spiders.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 23 2018 18:31 GMT
#171
Brood needs to be deleted from the game. It just ruins pro games...
super gg
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 23 2018 18:33 GMT
#172
i think outdrafts are beautiful as well

uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 23 2018 18:34 GMT
#173
meh brood, disappointing third game
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 23 2018 18:34 GMT
#174
Brood good hero ))
Please IceFrog rework these cheesy unstoppable hero like Brood or Huskar...
If you dont HARD counter them you just fucked
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 18:36:54
February 23 2018 18:35 GMT
#175
There's really not that many last-pick checkmates. Brood and Huskar? They even knew it was Matumba's hero and that he has a good Brood. Really on Secret for not banning it even though I agree Brood stomps are kind of disappointing.
I think esports is pretty nice.
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
February 23 2018 18:35 GMT
#176
This is probly the most units around Roshan pit i've ever seen :D
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 23 2018 18:36 GMT
#177
Yeah, this is over. What a fun game.
super gg
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 23 2018 18:38 GMT
#178
The issue isn't just the Brood but also that Secret had to scramble to salvage the side lanes and they couldn't put any resources into keeping the Brood down. Sometimes not having an incredible lane counter can still work out if you can limit the bleeding through other lanes going well and freeing up your time to rotate on the Brood, but in this game it wasn't the case at all
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 23 2018 18:40 GMT
#179
there is no brood issue... secrets draft is weak against brood and puppey didnt ban her.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 23 2018 18:40 GMT
#180
On February 24 2018 03:38 spudde123 wrote:
The issue isn't just the Brood but also that Secret had to scramble to salvage the side lanes and they couldn't put any resources into keeping the Brood down. Sometimes not having an incredible lane counter can still work out if you can limit the bleeding through other lanes going well and freeing up your time to rotate on the Brood, but in this game it wasn't the case at all

Brood leads to more one sided shitstomps than any other hero (which is the problem), I don't really understand what your point is.
super gg
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