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The thing they did change was the finals day got another bo3 to decide 3rd place iirc. Excited for this one, teams that shuffled have a lot to prove
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I really hope Kinguin can surprise us all for the crowd in Poland
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Hopefully less DMCA takedowns this time around.
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This format is bullshit, have all that traveling and possibly just 3 games, just make it an online tournament
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On February 20 2018 06:07 Chillander wrote:
This format is bullshit, have all that traveling and possibly just 3 games, just make it an online tournament
Gonna quote noxville. We should have 1 16 team double elim bracket until we have 6 teams left. Doesnt fix the issue of two teams skipping the quarters, because of logistical reasons.
Hey, /u/bslfromESL - unrelated to this exact issue (but something that like every single ESL employee has ignored me on): why are there 2 groups of 8 each playing until there's 1 left in the WB and 2 left in the LB; when you could just play 1 (16-team) double elim bracket until there's 2 left in the WB and 4 left in the LB. It's the same number of games; but it means you don't see rematches until LB finals - and it mitigates the impact of choosing unfair groups to start with.
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On February 19 2018 19:52 Pandemona wrote:
Also facebook streams again only as it is ESL, im sure community streams like Bulldog will cast alot though.
So that means I got to hope somebody other than Bulldog streams it or else just watch it in the client.
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Liquid 1-0 Effect
OG 0-1 VG
Mineski 1-0 coL
OpTic 0-1 VP
Secret 1-0 Infamous
LGD 1-0 EG
Na`Vi 0-1 Fnatic
Kinguin 0-1 Newbee
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Great chance for Liquid to clinch the Major this time, since their greatest threat Newbee and Secret (Midone) just celebrate the Chinese New Year and likely lack of practice.
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Oh good point Kelefei, how will Chinese teams be like now with Lunar New Year just finishing up, have they completed stopped practicing again? Or at they good enough still to be able to take a week off and play.
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plenty of interesting matches today just terrible that it's a bloody b01
wish they'd stop doing this stupid format
On February 20 2018 14:13 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Great chance for Liquid to clinch the Major this time, since their greatest threat Newbee and Secret (Midone) just celebrate the Chinese New Year and likely lack of practice.
highly unlikely that midone didn't prepare for this just because he's chinese especially since the rest of th team doesnt celebrate
newbee i could see but they have to much dedication in winning i doubt that they didn't prepare for this major as well
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On February 20 2018 17:49 Pandemona wrote:
Oh good point Kelefei, how will Chinese teams be like now with Lunar New Year just finishing up, have they completed stopped practicing again? Or at they good enough still to be able to take a week off and play.
they should not have any practice yet
technically they're still on holiday until 22nd
EDIT: is Shanghai class delay happening now? or the clock on the right is just wrong?
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Liquid first pick Bounty Hunter? WTF?
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anybody knows the best twitch altenate stream for this
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First pick razor from VG and they literally banned Jerax out of the game with the first 3 bans on Tiny Tusk Earth Spirit lol
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looking good so far for liquid :>
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facebok stream is on slowmo and neverending buffering
looks like i'll just watch twitch again
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Watching OG vs VG. If I didn't know what team was radiant, I would be pretty confident to guess Secret. Chen, WD, Lone Druid, Brew and Storm.
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VG with the next level Chappie strat, rofl.
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Chinese New Year Doto is still a thing then lol
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this is so over
VG feed so hard
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this game is not over tho, unless you're watching on facebook 5 minutes ahead of me lol
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Well VG were like 10k behind now are only 3k behind because OG caught out in map multiple times.
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Yeah this is far from over, Storm is now 3 deaths in a row!
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how are they gonna deal with Syllabear, Chen, Raijin split push
will Ezalor along enough?
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Well Kotl sends and brings people back as SK plus one seem to be able to deal with it.
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China oldschool base defense
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I probably underestimating VG's lock down
damn its 4 stun to lock Raijin
still dont think they can catch Raijin and Bear and Brew at same time
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Fenrir needs his aghs though, he went glimmer force first and they need the teleport in and out if they ever want to step over the river again xD
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Wow that was sick team fight haha. So much healing and regen!
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Some of these saves have been insane
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Reso been caught with his pants down multiple times and Jerax just saves him every time haha, nuts!
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OMG lmao i dont think i ever seen a meteor hammer land in a pro game when it not naga sleep cheese xD
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agha bear is so stupid. Any form of risk free tower sieges should not exist in the game.
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Old Eleven showing up today on his SK too.
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Ok now the game just got very hard for OG
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Oh so sick LANM! Kaya killing Reso lol
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VG were so tight to pull this back after the really woeful start
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Nice comeback/throw by VG/OG. I wanna give most of the credit to VG, they played it very well, but OG did give them opportunities that shouldn't have existed.
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OG went splitpush mode for some reason being 8k ahead. 8k ahead means nothing when 10-15k is off splitpushing every teamfight. Im pretty sure they had a good shot at finishing this straight up like normal, instead they went Agh-LD and never fought on equal 5v5 terms. Agh-LD is great and all to delay when youre behind, but not here.
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There is a difference between farming scrubs in minor qualifiers and competing in a major tournament, who would have thought?
Thanks to the panel for hyping them up.
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the panel got punished for not even mentioning mikasa as one of the best coaches
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VG's itemization won them that game after OG made mistakes at the wrong time.
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I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground.
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Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol.
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wait zai is not offlane anymore?
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who knew that dk + kotl is pretty ubsurd
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On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground.
Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards.
But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever.
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On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol.
rofl
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On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol.
It was a Bo1 and VG played the mid-game really well. Are people in fanboy-mode already?
In the Optic vs VP, we've got some interesting things. Optic has gone super meta? Chen + KOTL + BM?
Oh, and 33 is playing BM. Not sure if if they've position swapped or Zai just plays a mean KOTL.
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On February 20 2018 20:56 Vertical wrote:
this is so over
VG feed so hard
VG won xD
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On February 20 2018 21:30 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground. Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards. But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever.
storm had plenty of impact .. it lead to their massive lead at the start
he just ran out of steam as bkb gets lower and VG having all kinds of mana burn and lots of stuns
you underestimate that VG essentially has 4 disables which doesn't really bode well for storm even in ultralategame scenarios
it's not the usual storm game if there are plenty of disables from the other team especially since they're getting items to stop the storm like bloodthorne and hex
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wtf is going on with VP
naix going radiance first and them playing like shit
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ppd is double the networth of the lowest player on the other team at 15 minutes. Optic had a great early game.
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why is ramzes going radiance .. most of the enemy heroes are tanky as shit and Optic has chen
this is a very questionable item choice
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that was a very questionable play by optic lmao, what a throw
ggwp, optic lost this game, ccnc buyback was so stupid lmao
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On February 20 2018 21:33 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:30 Xurr wrote:On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground. Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards. But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever. storm had plenty of impact .. it lead to their massive lead at the start he just ran out of steam as bkb gets lower and VG having all kinds of mana burn and lots of stuns you underestimate that VG essentially has 4 disables which doesn't really bode well for storm even in ultralategame scenarios it's not the usual storm game if there are plenty of disables from the other team especially since they're getting items to stop the storm like bloodthorne and hex
Exactly, because there were so many counters he had no impact, duh. His early game was not that great either, he never had a substantial gold lead over the other cores. Every time he went in he was either killed or had to disengage 3 seconds later. That means he had no impact. You think i want to blame Reso for it and i don't. He should have gone for Shivas earlier but that is really the only thing.
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CCnC lol. What does ppd see in him
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ccnc gets paid to play this game
dota 2 is pretty generous
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apparently VP could play subpar but optic just throws anyways
On February 20 2018 21:42 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:33 goody153 wrote:On February 20 2018 21:30 Xurr wrote:On February 20 2018 21:27 cecek wrote:
I think notail bought Aghs too early. I think he could've got a fighting item and forced highground. Yeah and if he really wants to go for the split push go for desolator and shadow blade afterwards. But the biggest problem was that the Storm Spirit had no impact whatsoever. storm had plenty of impact .. it lead to their massive lead at the start he just ran out of steam as bkb gets lower and VG having all kinds of mana burn and lots of stuns you underestimate that VG essentially has 4 disables which doesn't really bode well for storm even in ultralategame scenarios it's not the usual storm game if there are plenty of disables from the other team especially since they're getting items to stop the storm like bloodthorne and hex Exactly, because there were so many counters he had no impact, duh. His early game was not that great either, he never had a substantial gold lead over the other cores. Every time he went in he was either killed or had to disengage 3 seconds later. That means he had no impact. You think i want to blame Reso for it and i don't. He should have gone for Shivas earlier but that is really the only thing.
I'd agree no impact later but upto midgame he did his job as storm as much as he could. OG just couldn't close out the game fast enough with their bear timing and VG doing a great job not tilting.
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So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm
Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD
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On February 20 2018 21:43 babysimba wrote:
CCnC lol. What does ppd see in him
all other mid players with potential are occupied with another team
except maybe w33ha
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On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol.
if you talked about depth, only Chinese team have more than 2 relevant team
EU: Secret & Liquid
NA: CoL & EG
CIS: Na'VI & VP
SEA: Mineski
SA: LOLOLOLOLOL why this region exist?!?!
CN: Newbee, LGD, VG, VGJ
this is reflected in the current DPC (LGD unfortunately used sub in Bucharest)
VGJ is arguable, I put it based on the fact they won the unfortunately "irrelevant" Galaxy Battle 2, other than that they're actually sucked.
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On February 20 2018 21:46 Pandemona wrote:
So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm
Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD
Zai is on KOTL. He just missed killing Disruptor in that fight at the Dire Ancients. Had he killed Disruptor, Optic locks up a win.
33's positioning has been questionable in these teamfights.
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On February 20 2018 21:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:46 Pandemona wrote:
So im guessing Zai still the offlane player but he is the only one who can play Chen who ppd must be valuing very high right now? But PPD can play Chen also he was practicing it alot in his last stint with EG hmm
Oh wait im even more wrong, Zai is on the kotl wtf xD Zai is on KOTL. He just missed killing Disruptor in that fight at the Dire Ancients. Had he killed Disruptor, Optic locks up a win. 33's positioning has been questionable in these teamfights.
Yeah i mean position as in offlane vs 4. Why is Zai 4 and 33 offlane is it a proper swap or due to heroes playing atm? I know recently 33 has been woeful at 4, the EG series in the qualifiers he was very poor.
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ok i like this solar crest pickup by ramzes though
he's most likely unkillable now unless nuked to death .. it has good synergy with radiance
they're gonna have to focus him or he's just gonna run around or if he gets focused he's gonna do his job with qop+ench being free to do whatever they want
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On February 20 2018 21:32 hunter_x wrote:VG won xD
I need to learn not every team is Liquid
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On February 20 2018 21:47 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol. if you talked about depth, only Chinese team have more than 2 relevant team EU: Secret & Liquid NA: CoL & EG CIS: Na'VI & VP SEA: Mineski SA: LOLOLOLOLOL why this region exist?!?! CN: Newbee, LGD, VG, VGJ this is reflected in the current DPC (LGD unfortunately used sub in Bucharest) VGJ is arguable, I put it based on the fact they won the unfortunately "irrelevant" Galaxy Battle 2, other than that they're actually sucked.
You're from SEA and honestly saying Valve shouldn't help regions?
Also what he means by depth is not good teams, like the ones you mentioned. NA has optic, immortals, vg.storm. CIS has team empire. SEA has fnatic TNC. CN has all those you mentioned and Ehome, LFY and IG.
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looking at the draft col should win against mineski
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On February 20 2018 22:05 goody153 wrote:
looking at the draft col should win against mineski
Sadly, it is Col and they are terrible most of the time.
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Shrugs. Personally I don't think any hero on Col is able to stop timbersaw lol
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On February 20 2018 22:03 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 21:47 Vertical wrote:On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol. if you talked about depth, only Chinese team have more than 2 relevant team EU: Secret & Liquid NA: CoL & EG CIS: Na'VI & VP SEA: Mineski SA: LOLOLOLOLOL why this region exist?!?! CN: Newbee, LGD, VG, VGJ this is reflected in the current DPC (LGD unfortunately used sub in Bucharest) VGJ is arguable, I put it based on the fact they won the unfortunately "irrelevant" Galaxy Battle 2, other than that they're actually sucked. You're from SEA and honestly saying Valve shouldn't help regions? Also what he means by depth is not good teams, like the ones you mentioned. NA has optic, immortals, vg.storm. CIS has team empire. SEA has fnatic TNC. CN has all those you mentioned and Ehome, LFY and IG.
I never favor "patronize slot", for example I never see any SEA team in the World Cup.
he's saying EU have no depth, but look at other region, beside teams already in DPC point, there's no other dominant team. and the current top 8 comfortably have all the team from all the regions (Except SA).
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On February 20 2018 22:08 babysimba wrote:
Shrugs. Personally I don't think any hero on Col is able to stop timbersaw lol
Idk, it seems none of col heroes care about timbersaw
edit: it seems they couldn't ignore ice³
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On February 20 2018 22:14 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 22:03 Pontual wrote:On February 20 2018 21:47 Vertical wrote:On February 20 2018 21:27 babysimba wrote:
Crush every qualifiers but can't win chinese team during CNY. EU region has no depth outside of Secret and Liquid lol. if you talked about depth, only Chinese team have more than 2 relevant team EU: Secret & Liquid NA: CoL & EG CIS: Na'VI & VP SEA: Mineski SA: LOLOLOLOLOL why this region exist?!?! CN: Newbee, LGD, VG, VGJ this is reflected in the current DPC (LGD unfortunately used sub in Bucharest) VGJ is arguable, I put it based on the fact they won the unfortunately "irrelevant" Galaxy Battle 2, other than that they're actually sucked. You're from SEA and honestly saying Valve shouldn't help regions? Also what he means by depth is not good teams, like the ones you mentioned. NA has optic, immortals, vg.storm. CIS has team empire. SEA has fnatic TNC. CN has all those you mentioned and Ehome, LFY and IG. I never favor "patronize slot", for example I never see any SEA team in the World Cup. see your list. NA have 2: Optic, Immortals CIS have 1: empire SEA have 2: Fnatic, TNC CN have again 3: Ehome, LFY, IG which means its true, that every region only have certain amount of good team. each region have 1-2 Tier 1 team and 1-2 Tier 2 team, e̶x̶c̶e̶p̶t̶ ̶C̶h̶i̶n̶a̶,̶ except SA. Edit: nevermind, EHOME shouldn't be there, they sucked
My point is: SEA was trash, Valve gave slot for them anyway, 3~4 years later SEA is a solid region. So its weird for you to criticize valve's decision to give SA a slot on stuff, even more so with the disrespective tone you chose your words.
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?? SEA always had a presence on dota despite some very bad period, they earned their spot/invites
SA is always shit and deserve no spot at all, let them all fight on america qualifier like it used to be
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I feel like TA was rocking everyone in scrims yesterday, but everyone has adjusted already.
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The Puck-Venge combo is nasty, haha
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iceiceice is the best timbersaw in the world and has been for a long time
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i'm not even gonna watch secret-infamous it's kinda obvious how that will end
eg-lgd would be interesting but i doubt eg is gonna win against lgd
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On February 20 2018 22:41 DropBear wrote:
iceiceice is the best timbersaw in the world and has been for a long time
arguable
i've seen w33ha having a better performance with timber like he was juking the entire teamliquid roster in a game last year
it's on one of the highlight vods
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Wouldn't count infamous out yet because they obviously outdrafted Secret this game.
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On February 20 2018 22:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 22:41 DropBear wrote:
iceiceice is the best timbersaw in the world and has been for a long time arguable i've seen w33ha having a better performance with timber like he was juking the entire teamliquid roster in a game last year it's on one of the highlight vods
ice does it every game though, not once
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On February 20 2018 22:46 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 22:45 goody153 wrote:On February 20 2018 22:41 DropBear wrote:
iceiceice is the best timbersaw in the world and has been for a long time arguable i've seen w33ha having a better performance with timber like he was juking the entire teamliquid roster in a game last year it's on one of the highlight vods ice does it every game though, not once
ice only does that when he's ahead or relatively even which alot of players could and have shown they could .. there are games ice didn't do so well when he didn't have the momentum
though i do admit ice is quite good with timber and is certainly one of the better timber players but that's like saying their is an absolute best player when it comes to SF when there's a bunch of them who could play the hero quite well
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somebody bump with the eg-lgd stream link that isn't facebook cause it's just neverending buffering for me
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Wow sumail looks very pale? Is he ok?
Mm Coach bulba looking good :D
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On February 20 2018 22:46 babysimba wrote:
Wouldn't count infamous out yet because they obviously outdrafted Secret this game.
hmm doesn't look like to me ..qop can't burst secret except skywrath and pl doesn't do that well midgame against their cores until pre-lategame
secret has the better draft here
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Man Bulba gods mannerisms are amazing xD he so funny
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Isn't Razor an old RTZ classic?
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Yeah but i thought i read Gyro and Razor bore him to play i mean xD
Tobi and OD pixel cast What? Isn't that 2 play by play casters? Glad im watching at work and its muted
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On February 20 2018 23:08 Pandemona wrote:Rtc having to play a razor, he wont be happy about that haha 
On February 20 2018 23:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Isn't Razor an old RTZ classic?
yep yep
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4 bounty runes :o
This gold pugna set looks so friggin pimpin xd
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wtf OD is casting with Tobi? LOL
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Well that was awful, Rtc died so easily in team fights. Didn't take those towers from Fear early enough and the team valuing kotl so highly puts them in problematic situations xd
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i never felt doom's value .. tbh from the eg games i've watched crit has been underperforming
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Oh dear, that wasn't good. EG keep losing to those teamfight-heavy heroes recently.
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I mean if someone first picks Gyro and there is another ban phase and you value banning WD over Chen then your a bit silly no? That was an issue but the Naga was countered enough i thought with SK/Doom but overvaluing kotl is annoying and part of the issue. They want these siege pushing strats where they can sit and siege a rax for 20 minutes whilst kotl healing the world but in what reality is that going to work.
Should have removed kotl and razor that game and swapped to an offlane doom and put cr1t on the SK.
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On February 21 2018 00:24 Faruko wrote:
newbee in big problems
Newbee got absolutely destroyed.
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That was a really cleanly-executed game plan from Kinguin. It's been a while since I watched dota, so that was the first game of theirs I saw. Looks like a team with potential.
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On February 21 2018 00:40 Orome wrote:
That was a really cleanly-executed game plan from Kinguin. It's been a while since I watched dota, so that was the first game of theirs I saw. Looks like a team with potential.
Honestly I think Newbee played really poorly; I can't imagine any universe where Team Kinguin is legit better than Newbee
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On February 21 2018 00:43 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 00:40 Orome wrote:
That was a really cleanly-executed game plan from Kinguin. It's been a while since I watched dota, so that was the first game of theirs I saw. Looks like a team with potential. Honestly I think Newbee played really poorly; I can't imagine any universe where Team Kinguin is legit better than Newbee
Like I said, first game of theirs I saw, so I have no idea, and it's not what I meant. It's more that from the laning phase to the 'keep pressure on all lanes while dodging team fights' phase to the 'bkb, rosh and end game phase' they read Newbee super well, never once veered from their game plan and never once gave Newbee a teamfight. Just look at how miserable that panda was the entire game. A lot of teams are capable of good games but generally fewer, I think, can execute a draft with that much discipline and cohesion.
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Navi as expected. They looked good skill wise, but they were very poor in the overall game plan.
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On February 21 2018 01:14 DucK- wrote:
Navi as expected. They looked good skill wise, but they were very poor in the overall game plan.
Fnatic didn't lock particularly good either though. Wouldn't bet on them against the big dogs.
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Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though
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On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though
That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment?
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Tinker is just a broken hero that is in the same league as brood. If you pick it late in draft against no counters, you will win if you execute it properly.
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On February 21 2018 01:39 babysimba wrote:
Tinker is just a broken hero that is in the same league as brood. If you pick it late in draft against no counters, you will win if you execute it properly.
That's true, and on the bright side, Abed managed to get caught out a lot less than he has on previous Tinker performances in the SEA qualifiers for various tourneys
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On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment?
Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret?
You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL
I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. With that kind of performance i doubt they'll get top 8 even
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On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. With that kind of performance i doubt they'll get top 8 even
Well they only need to beat Kinguin in the next game to get guaranteed top6 given what the format is. But placings behind top4 are relatively meaningless
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On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though.
My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2.
At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general.
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Me an Kuro both use same mouse with the pink setting because we know. I'm basically a pro now.
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It's really hard to tell though. Fnatic weren't even close to losing that game honestly. Split push playstyles always look worse against weaker teams because you can only win the game through small little advantages over time instead of dominating the enemy.
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On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general.
Yah Fnatic is not impressive in terms of the best of the best that i completely agree. Your reason though ROFL
That's just stupid considering he has done well in the past a couple of times and has actually managed to place top 3 in every team in tournament despite having any kind of player(sometimes just players who never accomplished anything note-worthy) in his team. Also did you forget he introduced tons of strategies that is used in competitive dota nowadays. Evidence doesn't really suggest his bad compared to alot of players who only have managed success under a well-known captain(which includes 4 on your favorite team lol) and nothing else on their own time.
Without EE fnatic is seriously just another high mmr stack. Have you not followed pro-dota in a long time ? If you did you'd know the insane amount of teams have been formed in EU/NA/Sea that are completely irrelevant that had the players you know who are playing with the best teams nowadays(secret/liquid) they had countless completely irrelevant teams formed.
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On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general.
No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates.
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On February 21 2018 01:56 babysimba wrote:
It's really hard to tell though. Fnatic weren't even close to losing that game honestly. Split push playstyles always look worse against weaker teams because you can only win the game through small little advantages over time instead of dominating the enemy.
This. I think Blitz went completely overboard on the Na'Vi mid push where they had no bkbs, no ults, and had to back after natural respawns happened almost dying in the progress. This was the first time Na'Vi was on the side of Fnatics map in a while.
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I hope Fnatic and LGD win since EE looks up to Maybe
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I think the main "mistake" Fnatic did was that top push where NaVi wrapped on them. As far as I recall song was down and EE was sitting on 5k gold so I don't think Fnatic needed to be there. But other than that I don't know how they were supposed to look that impressive because their lineup wasn't designed to dominate the enemy through fighting but instead they largely wanted to dodge until they got damage from Tinker.
On February 21 2018 01:56 babysimba wrote:
It's really hard to tell though. Fnatic weren't even close to losing that game honestly. Split push playstyles always look worse against weaker teams because you can only win the game through small little advantages over time instead of dominating the enemy.
I think this style thing is partly why certain people always think coL looks impressive and is going to do well on LAN. When coL wins online quals, they often look very dominant because they pick heroes that have good laning and then group up and push fast. Their games are often over really early and look "dominant". But then they can look equally underwhelming when they pick a similar style against a better team and get stopped
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On February 21 2018 01:59 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general. No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates.
Yes he would be able to do that as a coach just as well though. His play is just not good enough anymore. Everything I'm reading is about how good he was 2+ years back. At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game. Why do you think did he move to Sea? Might be because he couldnt find any decent team NA or EU anymore and believed he would have an easier time getting through qualifiers?
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at least this liquid vs vg doesn't look too one sided
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Liquid looks like they have second pos 3 heroe and a pos 4 instead of having a pos 4 and a pos 5 this game. MC's Tiny looks like it's a 4 and not 3 here, tho. Guess that balances it out.
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Well say what you will about EE. He doesn’t seem nearly as lost as Navi have been this month.
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On February 21 2018 02:16 cecek wrote:
Liquid looks like they have second pos 3 heroe and a pos 4 instead of having a pos 4 and a pos 5 this game.
Might be problematic, Tiny not really a hero that does much without farm.
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On February 21 2018 02:11 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:59 babysimba wrote:On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general. No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates. Yes he would be able to do that as a coach just as well though. His play is just not good enough anymore. Everything I'm reading is about how good he was 2+ years back. At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game. Why do you think did he move to Sea? Might be because he couldnt find any decent team NA or EU anymore and believed he would have an easier time getting through qualifiers?
Your arguments kinda feel like a moot point to be honest. It's just badly thought out under heavy bias
At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game.
How many times have i heard this kind of statement before when it came to misery, fear and rotk where they just looked horrendous (pre-ti4 VG/pre-ppd eg/pre-DC/secret misery) then they accomplished shit suddenly. Even faith and burning had that before but they still managed to accomplish something. EE's team still placed 2nd in a decent tournament this year and this is the EE that you call "bad". Can't really count out previously notable players out
Eh he still accomplished more than majority of the "teams that had no space for him" this year. And if you think it's about "getting an easier qualification that he moved SEA" then you absolutely know nothing about competitive environment and i'm disgusted how you even think somebody who competes so hard would settle for a mediocrity mindset.
In fact i think you've never have a glimpse on sports on anything or relatively competitive yourself if you think people would actually settle for mediocrity(hur hur i'm a midtier player i will not try harder) ROFL
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3 Chinese games - 3 Naga Sirens. They sure love their singing and it works. This hero that is 2nd on my hate list is actually quite popular this tourney.
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oh, just realized it's a bo3 from now on. This will be such a good series tbh.
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On February 21 2018 02:25 BlazingGlory wrote:
3 Chinese games - 3 Naga Sirens. They sure love their singing and it works. This hero that is 2nd on my hate list is actually quite popular this tourney.
Naga has always been on alot of people's hate list. Regardless if it's played core or support
Can't blame you people though since the pros just make the hero look so effective but please no more nerf on the hero. Carry naga isn't even viable anymore
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On February 21 2018 02:11 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:59 babysimba wrote:On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general. No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates. Yes he would be able to do that as a coach just as well though. His play is just not good enough anymore. Everything I'm reading is about how good he was 2+ years back. At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game. Why do you think did he move to Sea? Might be because he couldnt find any decent team NA or EU anymore and believed he would have an easier time getting through qualifiers?
Except he is still not that bad at all. His plays still shows he has a high understanding of the game. Macro understanding as a carry is even more important when you have a flashy mid who is too busy to think about the overall game state.
You need to have a core player in the game itself who understands the game well to judge timings of lineups. You can't have a coach doing that. A support player can't be doing that either because he can't judge accurately as a non-core.
You are also contradicting yourself because time has proven NA has become trash and EU has no more good players outside those established teams.
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huh eleven is not getting bloodthorne(or just orchid) that shit is good for that hero if he's going right click
On February 21 2018 02:26 Pontual wrote:
oh, just realized it's a bo3 from now on. This will be such a good series tbh.
It will be a good series if VG puts up a good fight(i assume liquid will take the series)
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Liquid might be in trouble. They have to win this before VG gets more disables items like hex, orchid, nullifier.
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nasty rosh fight ends in liquid getting the aegis, but vici retains the NW lead
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On February 21 2018 02:32 babysimba wrote:
Liquid might be in trouble. They have to win this before VG gets more disables items like hex, orchid, nullifier.
they could close it within 10 minutes (i'm watching twitch stream so i could be delayed) gyro is underfarmed and miracle's hero is peaking now
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eleven knows what's up
he's forcing liquid to hesitate
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Master Rat wont save you from the Divine retribution :D
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Eleven is going full man mode on ratting lol. Both his item choices and reckless playstyle even after buyback
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lategame tb is so stupid :D
wp liquid
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Hah Liquid with the Rapier Terrorblade. "I'm done with this split push, let's get their Throne."
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Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters.
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Beautiful game. Holy shit.
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Haha that ending! Well played Liquid!
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I really like both VG and TL, great first game
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No hard stuns lineup against TB is always bad. He can sunder whenever he wants with bkb.
Doesn't change the fact TB is a fucking overpowered hero..
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what the fuck but vg should've just yolo'd and tried their hardest to kill miracle .. buyback and all that shit (assuming they have bb)
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On February 21 2018 02:11 Xurr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 01:59 babysimba wrote:On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.
With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment? Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret? You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though. My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2. At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general. No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates. Yes he would be able to do that as a coach just as well though. His play is just not good enough anymore. Everything I'm reading is about how good he was 2+ years back. At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game. Why do you think did he move to Sea? Might be because he couldnt find any decent team NA or EU anymore and believed he would have an easier time getting through qualifiers?
I think EE said in an interview or something that he was originally thinking about joining DC (the one that ended up having Moon, Bulba, MSS, Abed and Mason, not sure what would have been the lineup if EE had been there). But it's not easy to form a team in NA that has significant potential. It's not like coL or Optic are crushing it on LAN either.
Obviously Abed and Uni weren't in the team originally, but after Abed joined I think Fnatic's roster is playerwise better than anything EE could have put together in NA. The quals are not any easier though
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On February 21 2018 02:39 theaxis12 wrote:
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters.
it would be nice if the first rounds aren't fucking b01's .. TI4 format had all games mattering
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On February 21 2018 02:43 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 02:39 theaxis12 wrote:
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters. it would be nice if the first rounds aren't fucking b01's .. TI4 format had all games mattering
BO1 wasn't for elimination though, so everyone gets a fair shake, they just have to win more games to get there.
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wait, optic is going to face col in the losers bracket? really?
really?
I could have looked forward to any other possible team versus optic but that one
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On February 21 2018 02:49 Achaian wrote:
wait, optic is going to face col in the losers bracket? really?
really?
I could have looked forward to any other possible team versus optic but that one
Perfect NA scenario right there. How it is? Natural selection must go on, also Kyle vs PPD is the best grudgematch we could ask. (apart from Lil vs VP)
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Once TB had the rapier they needed to jump liquid with the sleep and set up a fight as good as possible for the NP. Letting them in the base was the end. Just would have been risky and taken real courage a decisiveness.
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No one expects the spanish inquisitions rapier
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I'm not gonna lie Matumba looks weird as fuck being completely bald. Some kind of Dota monk or something
Great timing push by Liquid to end that game though
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On February 21 2018 02:52 ironcell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 02:49 Achaian wrote:
wait, optic is going to face col in the losers bracket? really?
really?
I could have looked forward to any other possible team versus optic but that one Perfect NA scenario right there. How it is? Natural selection must go on, also Kyle vs PPD is the best grudgematch we could ask. (apart from Lil vs VP)
You're right that it's a good grudgematch. it is also, unfortunately, a match that optic has played an amazing amount of times in recent days (if col is not their most faced opponent in the last few months, then it is close) and I was looking forward to seeing how optic stacks up against teams around the world. That could still happen. This match is more of a coin flip; it's a movie I've seen too many times.
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On February 21 2018 02:47 theaxis12 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 02:43 goody153 wrote:On February 21 2018 02:39 theaxis12 wrote:
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters. it would be nice if the first rounds aren't fucking b01's .. TI4 format had all games mattering BO1 wasn't for elimination though, so everyone gets a fair shake, they just have to win more games to get there.
Yeah, with the time constraint I think this is fine. It's only one round after all, everything after that is BO3 or more it seems
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Gh is just there to finish all the kills after his cores have died lol. All the sweet solo xp and gold.
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VG's aggression is relentless wow
wtf sub12 battlefury
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VG won 3 lanes and have jugg healing ward to brute force tinker's towers
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Lamn has more than 3/4 of team kill contribution. All the crazy dives under tower to gank
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vg really stepping up the pace wow, really impressed with their games so far
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glad to see VG pushing it to a game three with play like this
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maybe its time to ban the naga lol
also, nyx feels so underwhelming now
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why is Mikasa yelling at Paparazi?
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Nyx is a hero that needs to go meteor hammer first too.
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Any1 but me got soundissues ingame? Casters not to hear?
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On February 21 2018 03:51 korendir wrote:
maybe its time to ban the naga lol
also, nyx feels so underwhelming now
nyx is an underwhelming hero. What was once the hero's role (ganker of squishy int heroes) was long ago outsourced to other heroes. He does not scale well with items but needs lots of levels, which is an awkward combination in this meta.
it's funny how the release of meteor hammer was essentially a buff to nyx because of how weak other items are on him. The only reason people used to go aghs on him was because there was nothing better to build.
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So, to get rid of the competition ESL now makes the ingame sound of commentators suck?
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Matumbaman looked like Tamura Masao (no 13) from 20th Century Boys
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Meanwhile Col keeps being the NA gatekeeper for now. Col 1 - 0 up. If Optic cant beat Col Why bother with the international measuring ? NA is not stronger than EU or CN and even SEA maybe. And Col has not taken a series from any team of these regions in like forever.
My point is that if you are not from CN or EU the "international measuring" is pointless. If a team can get over from his local quals or matchups you just doesnt weight in a LAN (unless the team is from SEA and meets Mineski, :D).
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On February 21 2018 04:10 4tre55 wrote:
So, to get rid of the competition ESL now makes the ingame sound of commentators suck?
Ingame is from the game, not sourced by esl.
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Liquid are getting battered around
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they look like a mess now, vg's tempo is just too strong. but they still have the comeback potential with track
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Liquid need to start finding new cancer heroes for Matu to play lol.
Either that or they need to shift Matu and Miracle back to their pos 1 and 2 respectively for every game, because ultimately Matu isn't a mid player.
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VG rekting liquid royally
props to them, they probably only had very short cny holidays with how crisp they're playing
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On February 21 2018 04:31 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 04:10 4tre55 wrote:
So, to get rid of the competition ESL now makes the ingame sound of commentators suck? Ingame is from the game, not sourced by esl.
But the casters voices hardly comming trough and going on/off all the time ingame doesn't seem to be a technical issue of the game itself.
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I think the gyro pick was the problem, it did nothing both games.
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On February 21 2018 04:49 4tre55 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 04:31 Pontual wrote:On February 21 2018 04:10 4tre55 wrote:
So, to get rid of the competition ESL now makes the ingame sound of commentators suck? Ingame is from the game, not sourced by esl. But the casters voices hardly comming trough and going on/off all the time ingame doesn't seem to be a technical issue of the game itself.
working perfectly for me though
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On February 21 2018 04:49 4tre55 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 04:31 Pontual wrote:On February 21 2018 04:10 4tre55 wrote:
So, to get rid of the competition ESL now makes the ingame sound of commentators suck? Ingame is from the game, not sourced by esl. But the casters voices hardly comming trough and going on/off all the time ingame doesn't seem to be a technical issue of the game itself.
I had the same issue. In the replay it's fine though.
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Yea gyro isn't that strong when getting aggroed in lane. Only 40+ base damage lvl 1 and he requires levels for more damage in spells. Liquid picked gyro early in both games but didn't pick stronger supports that could contest an aggro lane.
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I'm really surprised that Liquid lost that series
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On February 21 2018 05:07 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm really surprised that Liquid lost that series
Probably everyone was, but it wasnt just a fluke VG did really well
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optic 1-1 col
optic better not play with my heart here. Complete the comeback and send col to the grave!
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On February 21 2018 05:08 Achaian wrote:
optic 1-1 col
optic better not play with my heart here. Complete the comeback and send col to the grave!
The funny thing is that the winner has to meet Liquid. Life is hard.
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On February 21 2018 05:13 ironcell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 05:08 Achaian wrote:
optic 1-1 col
optic better not play with my heart here. Complete the comeback and send col to the grave! The funny thing is that the winner has to meet Liquid. Life is hard.
a glorious death is far preferred to an ignominious one
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On February 21 2018 05:13 ironcell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 05:08 Achaian wrote:
optic 1-1 col
optic better not play with my heart here. Complete the comeback and send col to the grave! The funny thing is that the winner has to meet Liquid. Life is hard.
RIP NA Dota
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Hoping the boys in Mineski can pull out a series win, but my head says VP 2-1
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ppd rubick? win or lose this will mean a lot for his reputation
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On February 21 2018 05:31 plasmidghost wrote:
Hoping the boys in Mineski can pull out a series win, but my head says VP 2-1
Unfortunately for them game 1 is possibly the biggest outdraft in Dota 2 history. There's a 0 percent chance they win this game.
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On February 21 2018 05:43 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 05:31 plasmidghost wrote:
Hoping the boys in Mineski can pull out a series win, but my head says VP 2-1 Unfortunately for them game 1 is possibly the biggest outdraft in Dota 2 history. There's a 0 percent chance they win this game.
Yeah, that Brood did work
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I don't have a preference for OpTic vs coL but if I had to pick, I would like to see PPD take the victory
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Kyle saves ccnc with glimpse and then dies for it. Maybe he's trying to help ccnc reach his potential?
I like how this game is going.
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TInker finally has Aghs to stop the spiderlings but it looks like it's too late
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Yep, that definitely was a brood game.
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optic defeat col 2-1 and live to fight another day (maybe not much longer than a day though, given liquid is up next)
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On February 21 2018 06:24 Achaian wrote:
optic defeat col 2-1 and live to fight another day (maybe not much longer than a day though, given liquid is up next)
kekeke well played sir
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Enfeeble + haze lane. Naix is going to cry
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Mineski putting up a better fight this time but this game is still gonna be hard to win!
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Mineski's doing a lot better in this game, hope they can keep it up
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Nooo, Minseski!!
Alrighty, still in it, go go!
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On February 21 2018 07:10 Chillander wrote:
Nooo, Minseski!!
Alrighty, still in it, go go!
damn, vps cores too strong
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Solid performance by VP this series.
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Haha, damn, still good game, what an emotional rollercoaster
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Where the fuck can i watch the vods in proper quality..............
Edit: Ok atleast D2Bowie casted some games in proper quality. All the other vods i found had music in the background...
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EPT
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EG vs LGD
Assume Bulldonger is casting it too
