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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 17:30:20
February 20 2018 17:28 GMT
#161
huh eleven is not getting bloodthorne(or just orchid) that shit is good for that hero if he's going right click

On February 21 2018 02:26 Pontual wrote:
oh, just realized it's a bo3 from now on. This will be such a good series tbh.

It will be a good series if VG puts up a good fight(i assume liquid will take the series)
this is a quote
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 20 2018 17:32 GMT
#162
Liquid might be in trouble. They have to win this before VG gets more disables items like hex, orchid, nullifier.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 20 2018 17:35 GMT
#163
nasty rosh fight ends in liquid getting the aegis, but vici retains the NW lead
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
February 20 2018 17:36 GMT
#164
On February 21 2018 02:32 babysimba wrote:
Liquid might be in trouble. They have to win this before VG gets more disables items like hex, orchid, nullifier.

they could close it within 10 minutes (i'm watching twitch stream so i could be delayed) gyro is underfarmed and miracle's hero is peaking now
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
February 20 2018 17:38 GMT
#165
eleven knows what's up

he's forcing liquid to hesitate
this is a quote
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
February 20 2018 17:38 GMT
#166
Master Rat wont save you from the Divine retribution :D
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 20 2018 17:39 GMT
#167
Eleven is going full man mode on ratting lol. Both his item choices and reckless playstyle even after buyback
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
February 20 2018 17:39 GMT
#168
lategame tb is so stupid :D
wp liquid
FTD
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
February 20 2018 17:39 GMT
#169
Hah Liquid with the Rapier Terrorblade. "I'm done with this split push, let's get their Throne."
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
theaxis12
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
February 20 2018 17:39 GMT
#170
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters.
Shut your mouth and put your head back in the clouds.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 20 2018 17:39 GMT
#171
Beautiful game. Holy shit.
super gg
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 20 2018 17:40 GMT
#172
terrorblade, what a hero
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
February 20 2018 17:40 GMT
#173
Haha that ending! Well played Liquid!
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6598 Posts
February 20 2018 17:40 GMT
#174
I really like both VG and TL, great first game
LiquidDota Staff
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 20 2018 17:41 GMT
#175
No hard stuns lineup against TB is always bad. He can sunder whenever he wants with bkb.

Doesn't change the fact TB is a fucking overpowered hero..
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
February 20 2018 17:41 GMT
#176
what the fuck but vg should've just yolo'd and tried their hardest to kill miracle .. buyback and all that shit (assuming they have bb)
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 20 2018 17:43 GMT
#177
On February 21 2018 02:11 Xurr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2018 01:59 babysimba wrote:
On February 21 2018 01:53 Xurr wrote:
On February 21 2018 01:49 goody153 wrote:
On February 21 2018 01:30 Xurr wrote:
On February 21 2018 01:25 spudde123 wrote:
Fnatic hasn't yet shown to be a major threat for the top placings. I don't think they've become worse with Uni or anything, it's just that there is quite a gap from where they were to beating TL or Secret in a bo3. In the NaVi game they had a few blunders but importantly they were constantly keeping the lanes out and never got caught out in a terrible position where NaVi could take rosh or threaten buildings.

With Kinguin beating Newbee, one of Fnatic and Kinguin is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and get top6. Still need to beat one of the top teams to get to the points though

That is the point though, i can't really give them credit for constantly pushing the waves if they play with Viper, Rhasta and most importantly Tinker, how is that an accomplishment?

Unless you plan on discrediting Liquid or others who also played alot of splitpush, a win is a win. Should we start discrediting every lycan/AM/sylabear game that liquid or secret?

You play on the strengths of your drafts unless you are one of those who only believe that fighting is the only way to play dota and ignore things like mapreading/taking advantage of hero strenngths LOL

I do think Fnatic is playing suboptimal to what is required to excel though.

My first point was that Fnatic was not impressive, nothing else. Main reason for that is that EE is just bad and should not be on a team that wants to be t1 or even t2.
At no point did I say anything against split pushing in general.

No matter how you dislike EE, he is part of the reason why Fnatic is actually relevant. If you followed him through the years, all his teams had a certain flavor on how to play around the map. It is very obvious he is the one imparting all the macro knowledge to his teammates.

Yes he would be able to do that as a coach just as well though. His play is just not good enough anymore. Everything I'm reading is about how good he was 2+ years back. At some point your past accomplishments mean nothing if you are just a shadow of your former self in game. Why do you think did he move to Sea? Might be because he couldnt find any decent team NA or EU anymore and believed he would have an easier time getting through qualifiers?


I think EE said in an interview or something that he was originally thinking about joining DC (the one that ended up having Moon, Bulba, MSS, Abed and Mason, not sure what would have been the lineup if EE had been there). But it's not easy to form a team in NA that has significant potential. It's not like coL or Optic are crushing it on LAN either.

Obviously Abed and Uni weren't in the team originally, but after Abed joined I think Fnatic's roster is playerwise better than anything EE could have put together in NA. The quals are not any easier though
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
February 20 2018 17:43 GMT
#178
On February 21 2018 02:39 theaxis12 wrote:
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters.

it would be nice if the first rounds aren't fucking b01's .. TI4 format had all games mattering
this is a quote
theaxis12
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
February 20 2018 17:47 GMT
#179
On February 21 2018 02:43 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2018 02:39 theaxis12 wrote:
Liquid is here to play baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was a great game 1! I like this format where every game really matters.

it would be nice if the first rounds aren't fucking b01's .. TI4 format had all games mattering


BO1 wasn't for elimination though, so everyone gets a fair shake, they just have to win more games to get there.
Shut your mouth and put your head back in the clouds.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 17:50:04
February 20 2018 17:49 GMT
#180
wait, optic is going to face col in the losers bracket? really?
really?

I could have looked forward to any other possible team versus optic but that one
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