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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
With GSL groups you get from 20 to 30 matches total. The downside in my opinion is that the groups can be quite unbalanced due to huge pool of teams that fill the qualifier spots. If the 1st and 2nd best team start from the same group it is impossible for the other teams in that group to get any ProCircuit points. The GSL format also produces a high propability of repeat encounters. Worst case you only lose to 1 specific team 4 maps and drop out. With 8 team Bo1 Round Robin you would get total of 28 matches (+ potential tiebreakers). Each team would play 7 maps minimum compared to minimum of 4 with GSL groups. I feel this would more consistently place the teams in a correct order for the playoffs due to more games played, combined with no bias in seeding. After the round robin there could be similar Single elimination playoffs. What do you guys think? For a complex game like Dota, is it better to play 7 Bo1s or 2-3 Bo3's ? | ||
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VGhost
United States3617 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But still, hopefully some mixtures of formats will be around for the rest of the tournaments. Also one thing i know for sure is BO3 minimum is the best way for Dota as BO1 is just to many anomalies being thrown out as proven with the way Chinese brutal open bracket sometimes works or on specific patches where you could get cheesed relatively easy. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On October 18 2017 07:26 VGhost wrote: "GSL group" is just a mini double-elim bracket, so I honestly don't really like it if the group stage is supposed to be separate from the main bracket play. I like Bo2 round robin for groups, but if you're running a small tournament, you either do just one group (and that's a lot of games) or you're almost guaranteed to end up with tiebreakers. I don't know that there's a right answer: I'd prefer some variety. You forgot also that this is PGL, a tournament organizer who've deluded themselves into thinking time ratings as tie breakers is a fair and balanced system. I wouldn't trust them with any round robin format. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
hope there will be a replay when i come back | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 19 2017 19:30 Pandemona wrote: Wow first draft in a long time where no es or aa picked or banned :s AA is banned. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I prefer Immortals draft here! Lets see if they can pull it off Forev just feeding at this point lol | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
 COL did well last tournament and Immortals starting ok here. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
A bit questionable draft from Secret, I mean everything until the last pick was on point, and then they got Arc Warden that needs a fuckton of farm and space against these early game lineup from Immortals, plus they didn't have enough AoE for CK, coupled with the fact that Pugna and WW heavily mitigated Secret's right-click damage. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On October 19 2017 20:22 Pandemona wrote: 420gpm talent is still the most ridiculous thing in Dota2 lol what ? Whose talent is this ? :D | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
puck, lvl25 | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Offlane BH. This is like 2013 hero pick. | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
bloodrage pugna yuck | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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FFD
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Thanks, sosick | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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CA Infraction
United States170 Posts
On October 19 2017 21:43 Kelefei2016 wrote: These koreans are bad while they were in different team, but they are so good when they play together. Is that because the way others play are different from them? Or language problem? I think saying they were bad when separated isn't really that accurate. The only one that I would say was really bad was QO. The rest were still playing solid throughout the year | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3338 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
China looks lost right now. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
come on now and saying EU > all is also harsh. If you take Liquid out of the equation it seems NA and EU are on par from what we seen today. Guess much easier to do that after the first major. China is in the worst state so far but they always are after TI right | ||
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Chillander
219 Posts
(Current iteration, fy, Eleven))LGD has never looked that good, right? Even in their TI run? I mean, they played very well during TI , but not extraordinarily | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On October 19 2017 23:33 DucK- wrote: I love korean dota. It's just different. Every game looks fun when they're winning/even. Couldn't agree with you more. I didnt even realize how much I've missed it until today. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
I would say they are the type of team that hovers between top 4-6 out of top 16 teams in the world | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3338 Posts
On October 19 2017 23:40 babysimba wrote: One thing still doesn't change though. Their one dimensional play still remains vulnerable to counter drafts. And their playstyle becomes less effective in higher stake games where players tend to play more conservative. I would say they are the type of team that hovers between top 4-6 out of top 16 teams in the world That's where we all hope that their year away from each other has taught them one other playstyle (just one is all i ask for) which is to play a longer game with impeccable team fighting. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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CA Infraction
United States170 Posts
On October 19 2017 23:45 Bisu-Fan wrote: That's where we all hope that their year away from each other has taught them one other playstyle (just one is all i ask for) which is to play a longer game with impeccable team fighting. I think regardless them playing in NA instead of from korea will help them a ton. In Korea they had to play with really high ping pretty regularly and their play at online events really showed. Hopefully NA gives them a better way to practice and they can improve easier as a result. | ||
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babysimba
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 19 2017 23:51 Pontual wrote: this is gonna be great, really want to see how ember will do as pos 1 Seems like it isn't working this game so far  And then that happens :D | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I am watching without sound because im at work, but r0tk is the coach and is sat down in VGJ uniform drafting at a pc whilst someone else stands up behind him. Is he playing or what haha? Stun central draft from VGJ and push heavy from EG. Wonder how this will play out! Sumail finally on a mid which can do damage is also nice <3 | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
How does everything that can go wrong go wrong | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
I think this is one game where going mass dagons would work for VGJ | ||
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bdonballer
United States408 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On October 20 2017 20:30 nojok wrote: EG really is the most boring top team of all time. Seriously? Old ppd EG I get but since then they've been pretty entertaining. I mean compared to illusion OG, old Alliance, old LGD/ Big god there have been a lot of worse teams when it comes to pure entertainment. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 20 2017 20:47 MetalMercury wrote: That was a pretty terrible display from VGJ.Thunder honestly; no idea why they kept on trying for Necrophos when the only way into the base was through the Pugna or Sniper. Yup, he was pretty much the only really tanky hero in that game and they kept suiciding into him... | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
On October 20 2017 20:47 MetalMercury wrote: That was a pretty terrible display from VGJ.Thunder honestly; no idea why they kept on trying for Necrophos when the only way into the base was through the Pugna or Sniper. No vision on EG's backline neither can they easily blink past necrophos's radiance. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
This chen is so damn fat. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
this game sucks nowadays with the highground shit | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On October 20 2017 23:09 Faruko wrote: wow dota is so fun this game sucks nowadays with the highground shit How often do you want to repeat that? Nobody forces you to watch. Tinker is a beast at high ground defence, has nothing to do with the patch. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3338 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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babysimba
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CosmicSpiral
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On October 21 2017 00:28 Thezzphai wrote: Feels like every Dendi QoP game since 2014 has been like this. Have a decent start, buy BKB, do nothing after, lose. True that, i dont even remember the last time he won with it. | ||
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goody153
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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LennX
4568 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:28 Achaian wrote: well well well, what do we have here? it never felt so good to see EG get smacked they lost to BSJ did you expect anything less | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:31 TomatoBisque wrote: they lost to BSJ did you expect anything less They were up so high that the fall takes a long, long time. I plan on laughing about it for as long as I can. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:37 Achaian wrote: They were up so high that the fall takes a long, long time. I plan on laughing about it for as long as I can. I'm sure it's entirely cr1t's fault and the fact none of the rest of the team has ever succeeded without ppd is merely a coincidence :^) | ||
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LennX
4568 Posts
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juff
Singapore4659 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7735 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:44 TomatoBisque wrote: I'm sure it's entirely cr1t's fault and the fact none of the rest of the team has ever succeeded without ppd is merely a coincidence :^) nobody is good forever | ||
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babysimba
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PoulsenB
Poland7735 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:49 PoulsenB wrote: oh look it's the "suck off PPD" o'clock already? I'm contractually obligated to observe that at every hour of the day. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
I hope I won't eat my words after this series already | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7735 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:56 TomatoBisque wrote: If I don't suck off ppd I might get deported fair point I hope we get a good game 2, lets go EG! | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On October 21 2017 01:56 TomatoBisque wrote: If I don't suck off ppd I might get deported You know why ppd chose to play a game called Gwent? + Show Spoiler + Because it rhymes with "Get-Bent". ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3zmUx5G.jpg) | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On October 21 2017 02:02 M.S.Bismarck wrote: You know why ppd chose to play a game called Gwent? + Show Spoiler + Because it rhymes with "Get-Bent". 6/10 | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7735 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
oh wait we have a game on our hands | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
That was a weird death from Rtz. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On October 21 2017 02:58 babysimba wrote: Mirana > AM 1v1 late game. Trash hero helps when you get half a rapier because you always have a DD rune bottled | ||
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Akara12345
164 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
Mirana is such a crazy DPS cannon late game. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Akara12345
164 Posts
On October 21 2017 03:06 snow2.0 wrote: AM gets Battlefury to farm. Why is it more important on a 40k AM than BOTs or a better single target or stat rich item? For clearing creeps? | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On October 21 2017 03:06 snow2.0 wrote: AM gets Battlefury to farm. Why is it more important on a 40k AM than BOTs or a better single target or stat rich item? If I had to make a nooby kind of guess, I'd say because they want to clear out PL illusions/figure out quickly which PL is real. That and wave clearing. But I dunno. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
when your pugna and necro are half your networth and you have nowhere to go? | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
nvm it is now but still, wow | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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Chillander
219 Posts
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LennX
4568 Posts
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On October 21 2017 18:41 babysimba wrote: Rotk is the only coach that sits down like a boss and draft directly for the team. And then picks the exact same kind of things he did at TI4^^ | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
SEA team knows how to rush bkb to win fights against full magic lineup. Yet Chinese team forgets how to get bkb. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
And as I am saying that, AM changes the lane. :D | ||
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Ramiz1989
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nVme
952 Posts
dendi mag o_O | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
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calippo
Sweden2525 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
looking forward to secret imt rematch | ||
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nanaoei
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
I'm so old now T_T | ||
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nVme
952 Posts
secret is still shaky puppey does not really ever adjust- reason why they never comeback in a series | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On October 21 2017 22:22 nVme wrote: hoping immortal wins and doesnt get figured out secret is still shaky puppey does not really ever adjust- reason why they never comeback in a series I mean Immortals are kind of figured out already, but you can't always prepare for what they are doing since they keep taking these fights that nobody expects as it defies logic lol. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
On October 21 2017 23:10 its_a_me wrote: thinking of learning russian just to avoid winter whats wrong with winter? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
one of those games you learn quite a bit from | ||
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
On October 21 2017 23:10 its_a_me wrote: thinking of learning russian just to avoid winter Thinking the same thing whenever Slacks shows his face. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
just cant stand him @Xurr i know that felling xD | ||
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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VGhost
United States3617 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
rofl we have a ferrariseeker in this game | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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VGhost
United States3617 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
On October 22 2017 00:04 babysimba wrote: Secret is leading definitely. They shouldn't lose this unless they throw hard *sad trombone* | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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dragonswarrior
389 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
I feel like IMT will actually throw one of these games like that one of these days | ||
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nVme
952 Posts
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LennX
4568 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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VGhost
United States3617 Posts
Immortals very impressive, just ran over Secret in G2 and showing a little patience in that last game. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
Didnt thought game 2 would end like this, but a really good game | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3338 Posts
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FFD
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nanaoei
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
On October 22 2017 02:10 nanaoei wrote: it's IMT vs LGD is it not? IMT and LGD were in the same group so no. | ||
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nanaoei
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
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hunter_x
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VGhost
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Pandemona
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Chillander
219 Posts
Feels like Sylar needs to broaden his hero pool, or maybe just how Rotk picks | ||
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Pandemona
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Achaian
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Pandemona
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blobrus
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
"how long do you need to practice a hero that is not in your hero pool or dont play much of" "no time man, im just that good, i dont need practice" lol xD | ||
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