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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 17 2017 10:15 GMT
#1

PGL Open Bucharest


Thursday, Oct 19 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/PGL_Open/Bucharest/2017

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uk PGL Open

Format

  • Group Stage
  • Two groups of four teams
  • Double-elimination (GSL) format with matches played in Bo3.
  • Top two from each group advance to Playoffs.

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Darksteel
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland319 Posts
October 17 2017 18:33 GMT
#2
It seems that the GSL style group stage is getting pretty popular in tournaments. What is your opinion on it VS 8 team round robin with Bo1s ?

With GSL groups you get from 20 to 30 matches total. The downside in my opinion is that the groups can be quite unbalanced due to huge pool of teams that fill the qualifier spots. If the 1st and 2nd best team start from the same group it is impossible for the other teams in that group to get any ProCircuit points. The GSL format also produces a high propability of repeat encounters. Worst case you only lose to 1 specific team 4 maps and drop out.

With 8 team Bo1 Round Robin you would get total of 28 matches (+ potential tiebreakers). Each team would play 7 maps minimum compared to minimum of 4 with GSL groups. I feel this would more consistently place the teams in a correct order for the playoffs due to more games played, combined with no bias in seeding. After the round robin there could be similar Single elimination playoffs.

What do you guys think? For a complex game like Dota, is it better to play 7 Bo1s or 2-3 Bo3's ?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3617 Posts
October 17 2017 22:26 GMT
#3
"GSL group" is just a mini double-elim bracket, so I honestly don't really like it if the group stage is supposed to be separate from the main bracket play. I like Bo2 round robin for groups, but if you're running a small tournament, you either do just one group (and that's a lot of games) or you're almost guaranteed to end up with tiebreakers. I don't know that there's a right answer: I'd prefer some variety.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 18 2017 14:44 GMT
#4
Only problem i have with GSL system is it makes the schedule a bit messy for me. I would prefer just a straight double elimination bracket, that way you don't get any team with unfair advantage vs others. Aka Group A play 3 games day 1, then don't play again until Day 3, where as Group B have to play 3 days in a row (if they advance to bracket stage).

But still, hopefully some mixtures of formats will be around for the rest of the tournaments.

Also one thing i know for sure is BO3 minimum is the best way for Dota as BO1 is just to many anomalies being thrown out as proven with the way Chinese brutal open bracket sometimes works or on specific patches where you could get cheesed relatively easy.
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GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
October 18 2017 23:05 GMT
#5
On October 18 2017 07:26 VGhost wrote:
"GSL group" is just a mini double-elim bracket, so I honestly don't really like it if the group stage is supposed to be separate from the main bracket play. I like Bo2 round robin for groups, but if you're running a small tournament, you either do just one group (and that's a lot of games) or you're almost guaranteed to end up with tiebreakers. I don't know that there's a right answer: I'd prefer some variety.

You forgot also that this is PGL, a tournament organizer who've deluded themselves into thinking time ratings as tie breakers is a fair and balanced system. I wouldn't trust them with any round robin format.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 19 2017 09:48 GMT
#6
Oh my gosh that AA ult into Echo in the rosh was so beautiful. Infamous a bit naive to think Rosh wasn't warded and they pay the ultimate price
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
October 19 2017 10:04 GMT
#7
TFW need to work and cant watch Dotes
hope there will be a replay when i come back
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 10:45:14
October 19 2017 10:30 GMT
#8
Wow first draft in a long time where no es or aa picked or banned :s (picked first phase that is!)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 19 2017 10:40 GMT
#9
On October 19 2017 19:30 Pandemona wrote:
Wow first draft in a long time where no es or aa picked or banned :s

AA is banned.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-19 10:58:48
October 19 2017 10:42 GMT
#10
Was banned second phase though i was on about first phase, i should have been bit clearer there xD

I prefer Immortals draft here! Lets see if they can pull it off

Forev just feeding at this point lol
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 19 2017 11:10 GMT
#11
this game is over, no way they kill CK with a heart
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 19 2017 11:11 GMT
#12
Yeah NA dota proving its not a shit show as everyone predicted COL did well last tournament and Immortals starting ok here.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 19 2017 11:18 GMT
#13
ok the throws
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 19 2017 11:22 GMT
#14
420gpm talent is still the most ridiculous thing in Dota2 lol
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 19 2017 11:29 GMT
#15
lmao midone is so stupid
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
October 19 2017 11:30 GMT
#16
These dagons thoooooooo
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 19 2017 11:32 GMT
#17
Midone tilted since starladder....
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 19 2017 11:32 GMT
#18
Ah yes, the Pugna + Puck double Dagon strat, Immortals did this already. The game went in typical Immortals fashion, with fights all over the place.

A bit questionable draft from Secret, I mean everything until the last pick was on point, and then they got Arc Warden that needs a fuckton of farm and space against these early game lineup from Immortals, plus they didn't have enough AoE for CK, coupled with the fact that Pugna and WW heavily mitigated Secret's right-click damage.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#19
Ok Immortals didn't through thankfully! Was getting twitchy at one point.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 19 2017 11:34 GMT
#20
Haha the tanky DK who get decreip double dagon 100 to 0 in 0.1 seconds :D
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