It seems that the GSL style group stage is getting pretty popular in tournaments. What is your opinion on it VS 8 team round robin with Bo1s ?
With GSL groups you get from 20 to 30 matches total. The downside in my opinion is that the groups can be quite unbalanced due to huge pool of teams that fill the qualifier spots. If the 1st and 2nd best team start from the same group it is impossible for the other teams in that group to get any ProCircuit points. The GSL format also produces a high propability of repeat encounters. Worst case you only lose to 1 specific team 4 maps and drop out.
With 8 team Bo1 Round Robin you would get total of 28 matches (+ potential tiebreakers). Each team would play 7 maps minimum compared to minimum of 4 with GSL groups. I feel this would more consistently place the teams in a correct order for the playoffs due to more games played, combined with no bias in seeding. After the round robin there could be similar Single elimination playoffs.
What do you guys think? For a complex game like Dota, is it better to play 7 Bo1s or 2-3 Bo3's ?
"GSL group" is just a mini double-elim bracket, so I honestly don't really like it if the group stage is supposed to be separate from the main bracket play. I like Bo2 round robin for groups, but if you're running a small tournament, you either do just one group (and that's a lot of games) or you're almost guaranteed to end up with tiebreakers. I don't know that there's a right answer: I'd prefer some variety.
Only problem i have with GSL system is it makes the schedule a bit messy for me. I would prefer just a straight double elimination bracket, that way you don't get any team with unfair advantage vs others. Aka Group A play 3 games day 1, then don't play again until Day 3, where as Group B have to play 3 days in a row (if they advance to bracket stage).
But still, hopefully some mixtures of formats will be around for the rest of the tournaments.
Also one thing i know for sure is BO3 minimum is the best way for Dota as BO1 is just to many anomalies being thrown out as proven with the way Chinese brutal open bracket sometimes works or on specific patches where you could get cheesed relatively easy.
On October 18 2017 07:26 VGhost wrote: "GSL group" is just a mini double-elim bracket, so I honestly don't really like it if the group stage is supposed to be separate from the main bracket play. I like Bo2 round robin for groups, but if you're running a small tournament, you either do just one group (and that's a lot of games) or you're almost guaranteed to end up with tiebreakers. I don't know that there's a right answer: I'd prefer some variety.
You forgot also that this is PGL, a tournament organizer who've deluded themselves into thinking time ratings as tie breakers is a fair and balanced system. I wouldn't trust them with any round robin format.
Ah yes, the Pugna + Puck double Dagon strat, Immortals did this already. The game went in typical Immortals fashion, with fights all over the place.
A bit questionable draft from Secret, I mean everything until the last pick was on point, and then they got Arc Warden that needs a fuckton of farm and space against these early game lineup from Immortals, plus they didn't have enough AoE for CK, coupled with the fact that Pugna and WW heavily mitigated Secret's right-click damage.