EPT[Kiev Major] Group Stage - Day 2 - Page 51
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shad2810
Malaysia2682 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On April 26 2017 06:12 goody153 wrote: LMAO i bet Faceless is gonna place higher than them anybody not Secret or IG might have been doable but faceless reads them really well I think Faceless just hit the only team they might actually beat in the ro16 aside from SG xD what a break for them. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 26 2017 06:21 stuchiu wrote: How did iceiceice get TnC, is he a genius? Special tactics: DotA edition. | ||
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goody153
44146 Posts
On April 26 2017 06:14 OmniEulogy wrote: I think Faceless just hit the only team they might actually beat in the ro16 aside from SG xD what a break for them. unlucky for TNC considering they just beat everybody (not VP but VP had a really hard time game 1 against them with an extreme draft advantage) and they're playing faceless lol good fucking luck i believe faceless has their numbers lately | ||
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Zea!
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
Top half of the bracket feels a tad tougher imo with IG and VP But i didnt really catch much outside of the results so maybe i should stay quiet | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On April 26 2017 03:05 Wintex wrote: OG are not versatile. Haven't been for a while. It's a problem with their mid and safelaners who are so stagnant in hero picks, or bad as laners that they need these specific heroes that the players know how to recover/play on. The amount of pressure on S4, Jerax and fly needed to allow nobrain and ana to play a game of dota 2 is crazy. I was dining with friends, so I almost missed this Wintex's collectors edition. Anyway my gut feeling is that OG isn't any less versatile than other top teams like Newbee, EG or iG. For example, in variety of picks, during the last 6 months and in premium leagues (dotabuff's definition) here are the number of different pick :
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 26 2017 06:39 Otolia wrote: I was dining with friends, so I almost missed this Wintex's collectors edition. Anyway my gut feeling is that OG isn't any less versatile than other top teams like Newbee, EG or iG. For example, in variety of picks, during the last 6 months and in premium leagues (dotabuff's definition) here are the number of different pick :
6 months is a bit too long of a period, considering that's like...what, 2 or 3 major patches? Also EG has played in like 2 tournaments this year, Chinese teams generally have less tournaments as well. Much easier (and more meaningful) to compare tournaments that multiple of those teams are in. | ||
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Caladbolg
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
If you think your favourite team should be ranked higher than they should not lose in early phase. Anyhow eventually after 2 games, the 2 straight winner will face each other and the I don't think any "weak team" will have 2 straight winning game. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 26 2017 09:30 Kelefei2016 wrote: Swiss system use winner plays winner and loser plays loser to decide the ranking without needing every team to play everyone here. If you think your favourite team should be ranked higher than they should not lose in early phase. Anyhow eventually after 2 games, the 2 straight winner will face each other and the I don't think any "weak team" will have 2 straight winning game. Pretty sure the flaws of this seeding system are apparent when you look where Liquid ended up. Beat two teams in the bottom 4, get seeded above the two teams that you lose to. Seems fair. Dumb way to settle a tiebreaker. Pretty obvious that losing in the "High" bracket should seed you above the teams that won in the "Low". | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
Games will still be hyped, but I will not be surprised if a couple of upsets happened first round. Really looking forward to the shit show when SG beat VP. The triggering that will occur from Lil will know no bounds. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On April 26 2017 11:28 shouldbeworking wrote: Really looking forward to the shit show when SG beat VP. The triggering that will occur from Lil will know no bounds. Uhh...think you read the bracket wrong, bro. The only way that happens is if both teams make it to the Grand Finals. If that happens, I'd think even he'd be impressed by the South Americans. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 26 2017 11:28 shouldbeworking wrote: Yeah after seeing the final bracket.... This group stage was beyond pointless. The reward/punishment for going 0-3 and 3-0 are pretty much garbage. Games will still be hyped, but I will not be surprised if a couple of upsets happened first round. Really looking forward to the shit show when SG beat VP. The triggering that will occur from Lil will know no bounds. If you lose to the weakest performing teams in the tournament, you don't deserve to progress. Its harsh and shit luck that tnc got matched with bogey team faceless, but fact is faceless is one of the worst teams in the tournament. So tnc got rightfully matched with a team they 'deserve' for doing well in group stage. Only thing I dislike is the 2-2s. Liquid is artificially placed high despite not performing well so far. | ||
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
For the complaint about people "getting the same place" as a team that they feel is inferior (ie. newbee/liquid vs SG assuming they lose), I feel that the placing is still fair despite the seeding. No one is actually going to compare the loser of these sets and say they are 'equal teams'. Saying that "x" team is your kryptonite from advancing further is just excuses; like for example, if tnc can't beat faceless they have no business going further in the tournament even if you'd like to see good games from them against western teams. We already saw them handily take games from EG, DC, and TBirds. It's unlikely people would say they're on the same level as SG if they lose in ro16. In an ideal world I'd love getting those awesome round robin groups where everybody plays everybody in bo2 or bo3, but dota doesn't have the LAN infrastructure I guess. The only really convincing argument I'd say against this is if your opponent "cheeses" you by abusing a patch strategy you aren't ready for. This is why I still favor double elim for a game like dota, where the rules of the game are constantly changing. Like, Secret 2-0'd IG but in an interview Burning said they weren't well prepared against secret. If that situation happens in ro16 cause IG wasn't ready for Lycan or whatever, that is on IG. Even still, people who run unorthodox strats are still doing it at a risk, and they have to be confident it will work. Calling the group stage useless just sounds weird to me. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 26 2017 13:06 Wineandbread wrote: For the complaint about people "getting the same place" as a team that they feel is inferior (ie. newbee/liquid vs SG assuming they lose), I feel that the placing is still fair despite the seeding. No one is actually going to compare the loser of these sets and say they are 'equal teams'. Saying that "x" team is your kryptonite from advancing further is just excuses; like for example, if tnc can't beat faceless they have no business going further in the tournament even if you'd like to see good games from them against western teams. We already saw them handily take games from EG, DC, and TBirds. It's unlikely people would say they're on the same level as SG if they lose in ro16. In an ideal world I'd love getting those awesome round robin groups where everybody plays everybody in bo2 or bo3, but dota doesn't have the LAN infrastructure I guess. Valve is comparing them, because the payout is the same. Three teams are guaranteed to go 2-3 in this tournament and get $62,500. Same payout as a team that goes 0-4. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 26 2017 13:51 WolfintheSheep wrote: Valve is comparing them, because the payout is the same. Three teams are guaranteed to go 2-3 in this tournament and get $62,500. Same payout as a team that goes 0-4. Those 2-3 teams would have had a higher chance of not finishing last though, as at least they are not facing a 'strong' opponent in the first round. I think your complaint is mainly on a SE format and not so much the group stages. | ||
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