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On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote:
wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect.
It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings.
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On December 09 2016 06:17 I hef gem wrote:I want this to happen now
the dream
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote:On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote:
wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings.
Except that i can argue all day that NP drafted awfully to counter sd luna as well, but since EHOME forget how to play dota when they play Warlock, it did not matter. As for credit... EG managed to lose a fight in that second game, they were basically 3k mmr scrubs + Show Spoiler +
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote:On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote:
wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings.
I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better
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you know its kinda dumb how they put LGD vs LGD.FY last. people are just going to leave after this game
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NP picked mirana naga into sd/luna, where as wings picked pure single target. How is that not a much better set up to deal with illusion spam? And yes eg lost a whole team fight, they're totally awful and they literally only won because sd/luna is unbeatable, good thing they picked that in game one as well.
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote:On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote:On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote:
wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings. I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better
Ohh yeah its really strong, the problem is when you blame only the strong gimmick for the loss, not the poor drafting or good play from the team that picked it.
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You have to draft a spellcaster based lineup to counter SD. Don't tell me SD is not OP when a mere support hero can force a team to draft a specific system.
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Papercappu wrote:
you know its kinda dumb how they put LGD vs LGD.FY last. people are just going to leave after this game
It's 22:30 CET (iirc greece is CET+1 so 23:30 in greece), it would be a bit shitty if AF played in the middle of the night in greece :/
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On December 09 2016 06:23 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:20 Jaaaaasper wrote:On December 09 2016 06:17 Diavlo wrote:On December 09 2016 06:11 Jaaaaasper wrote:
wow a team drafted to counter SD luna and crushed it. Maybe its not cancer and wings just played liek shit against it huh? Was EG-Wings the game that triggered the bitching about SD-Luna? Not the OG one? Because the EG game looked already super lost before the combo took effect. It was the EG one because wings/china fan boys refused to except that EG played better and wings drafted awfully to counter sd/luna, so they blamed the hero combo to take credit away from eg and blame away from wings. I dunno, I'm a pretty big EG fangay and I think SD/luna or illusion spam in general is too stronk. Not to say that wings played well, they certainly could have played better
I would agree and EG as a team has never shone away from picking obnoxious stuff in the past but that game looked over in the first 15 minutes because of SD+Lesh, not SD Luna.
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On December 09 2016 06:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:
NP picked mirana naga into sd/luna, where as wings picked pure single target. How is that not a much better set up to deal with illusion spam? And yes eg lost a whole team fight, they're totally awful and they literally only won because sd/luna is unbeatable, good thing they picked that in game one as well.
It is better than what Wings had. Hardly good enough when proper execution can and does lead to having no towers at 14 minutes.
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On December 09 2016 06:27 babysimba wrote:
You have to draft a spellcaster based lineup to counter SD. Don't tell me SD is not OP when a mere support hero can force a team to draft a specific system.
SD is strong, but if you don't ban against it, and don't pick to counter it, that still poor play. I'm not saying the hero isn't strong, I'm saying blaming it for Wings loss after wings gave it away and then picked 0 aoe against it was their fault, but blaming the op hero for the loss takes credit from the team who won ad blame from the team who did nothing to prepare against it.
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On December 09 2016 06:18 Mafe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:17 I hef gem wrote:On December 09 2016 06:16 Kirsed wrote:
The NP AF grudge match in ro4. I want this to happen now For someone who only tuned in today: What's the grudge?
there is no grudge lol. NP and AF are big friends. Go look at their twitter accounts. They were cheering for each other during major quals and have scrimmed together. EE has been scrimming with the Greeks since he was on C9.
Also Weebs stick together
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On December 09 2016 06:29 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:
NP picked mirana naga into sd/luna, where as wings picked pure single target. How is that not a much better set up to deal with illusion spam? And yes eg lost a whole team fight, they're totally awful and they literally only won because sd/luna is unbeatable, good thing they picked that in game one as well. It is better than what Wings had. Hardly good enough when proper execution can and does lead to having no towers at 14 minutes.
So you're saying EG exucuted it well, but ehome didn't? Cool I'm not saying it isn't strong, I'm saying blaming just the strong heroes with out giving credit for execution or blame for poor exuction is dumb. SD is strong, SD Luna is stronger, but dota has always had cancerous stuff, its not fair to give it all credit for wins or losses.
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On December 09 2016 06:30 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 06:27 babysimba wrote:
You have to draft a spellcaster based lineup to counter SD. Don't tell me SD is not OP when a mere support hero can force a team to draft a specific system. SD is strong, but if you don't ban against it, and don't pick to counter it, that still poor play. I'm not saying the hero isn't strong, I'm saying blaming it for Wings loss after wings gave it away and then picked 0 aoe against it was their fault, but blaming the op hero for the loss takes credit from the team who won ad blame from the team who did nothing to prepare against it.
You are just assuming Wings didn't try to counter it. Wings clearly had a gameplan with their mobile fighting heroes that can dive squishy supports. But SD is such a ridiculous hero that can rape both early and late game. Usually a balanced hero has strengths and weakness during different timings of the game. But when a hero is strong enough to force you to draft a certain way or there's zero way to defeat it by exploiting certain timings, it is clearly OP. Basically disco pony at TI5 comes to mind.
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On December 09 2016 06:20 Sbrubbles wrote:
Wouldn't be a major tournament without the "DC is NA or EU" bullshit
It's hilarious how fucking tribal people get about it.
DC is a good team that I support, idgaf if they're NA or EU. Why do people care about such petty bullshit?
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Madara sounds anime. Since EE won, Madara will too.
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On December 09 2016 06:44 stuchiu wrote:
Madara sounds anime. Since EE won, Madara will too.
he's literally the most powerful villain in naruto lul
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