[ManilaMajor] Main Event - Day 4 - Page 13

On June 10 2016 13:33 Elurie wrote:
This is a joke, right? Tell me this is not an actual secret shop item.

https://carousell.com/p/50687250/

On June 10 2016 13:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:


We're looking at 10 Invites, at the most. Most likely is going to be 8. Some Valve people just got a really huge headache for the next week.

Top 4 from Manila will get invites. (Some Valve people had told teams at Frankfurt that top 4 was the only expected automatic invites, but they've clearly shown it to be that way since then.)

OG & Newbee + 2 others. If those two others end up being MVP + TL, then all we have is 3 assured invites + Newbee.

Since Valve is using some sort of system for "what you've done this year", the other Invites to note is Alliance (yes, seriously, they're probably getting a direct Invite), Fnatic, Complexity, LGD, Ehome.

So we really don't have a long list. And ESL One Frankfurt should also probably give out +1 Invite.



This is the same scenario that happened due to ESL One Manila and why we got 12 invites to Manila. Winning a Major is supposed to secure you an invite to all of them for the year, but OG kind of dropped the ball at Shanghai and Wings went and won ESL One Manila. If Fnatic beat Wings, Complexity would have taken their Invite spot and it would have been 8 invites. Valve had 9 or 10 teams they wanted to invite to the Manila Major as a result of the way the tournaments went, and adding a play-in section was going to increase the time-frame just that much more.

On June 10 2016 13:33 Elurie wrote:
This is a joke, right? Tell me this is not an actual secret shop item.

https://carousell.com/p/50687250/

On June 10 2016 14:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Oh, Valve has put themselves in a rougher position, which might see ESL One Frankfurt not giving invites, we'll see which of the setups they put value on.

If they go for a Region Split setup with 8 teams, I would expect this, if LGD beats VG.R.

NA: Complexity
SEA: MVP & Fnatic
China: Newbee & LGD.
EU: OG, TL & Alliance.

The Complexity Invite is even a stretch. With Valve losing 2 of the Top 5 teams of the Year this week, not a lot of teams really actually deserve invites if we're talking about the entirety of the year. Valve has clearly set out that "What have you done on LAN" and "What have you done this Year?" are their big criteria.

I should note I'm not a big fan of the way Valve has approached this (though it's a fully defensible position), but what they've been up to isn't some enigma or black hole of information. They've done enough to show their hand.

On June 10 2016 14:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Oh, Valve has put themselves in a rougher position, which might see ESL One Frankfurt not giving invites, we'll see which of the setups they put value on.

If they go for a Region Split setup with 8 teams, I would expect this, if LGD beats VG.R.

NA: Complexity
SEA: MVP & Fnatic
China: Newbee & LGD.
EU: OG, TL & Alliance.

The Complexity Invite is even a stretch. With Valve losing 2 of the Top 5 teams of the Year this week, not a lot of teams really actually deserve invites if we're talking about the entirety of the year. Valve has clearly set out that "What have you done on LAN" and "What have you done this Year?" are their big criteria.

I should note I'm not a big fan of the way Valve has approached this (though it's a fully defensible position), but what they've been up to isn't some enigma or black hole of information. They've done enough to show their hand.

On June 10 2016 13:48 Dracolich70 wrote:
The headache increases, when their catering to lesser successful regions(SEA/NA) somewhat paid off, but inherently also means that the deeper regions gets less.

So even if your assessment is full of logic and likelihood, they are still cornering themselves, because the next in line are not all that great(okay EG are, outside DC and CoL), and Valve by history does look at region distribution, more than who did what throughout the year.

So if it comes to direct invites it is:

NA: 2 CoL and DC. Or you can argue DC with 2 players that are winners from Shanghai didn't do enough, making it 1.
SEA: 2 Fnatic and MVP
China: 2!: Newbee, and ??? Ehome, LGD, and Wings have had different timings.
EU: 2! - which according to you is gonna be, OG and Alliance(and somehow squeeze in TL).

In short that would give equal distribution even though China and EU are much deeper, risking T3 teams to take places from much better teams through qualifiers, due to regions.

On June 10 2016 14:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:


Alliance won 2 International LANs. I've had to say Alliance is likely to be the "bubble" team for the last few weeks when talking about TI6 invites. With Secret & EG now removed from invites, Alliance suddenly isn't on much of a bubble. Who has the results, *over the year*, over Alliance? This is what happens when the Teams that have the most top 3 placings over the Year suddenly aren't getting invites.

On June 10 2016 14:08 CxWiLL wrote:

This is my invite list for the case of 10 invite
SEA: 2, Fnatic and MVP deserve an invite by any measure. But the problem is the qualifier teams from SEA will be very underwhelming..
China: 2, LGD and Newbee will be invited,
EU:3, OG, Liquid, Navi for sure
NA: 1, yes, I think only DC deserves an invite.

It depends on how valve value each region, there might be a coin toss between Complexity, Alliance and VGR. 2 of them will get the invite.

I think it will be a good idea to merge the qualifier with wild card. What I mean is take top 2 team from each regional qualifier and put them in a wild card tournament to eliminate the worst 2. In this way, valve can save the ass of the big names (Secret EG VG and Ehome) and keep the weaker teams from sneaking through the qualifiers in the weaker region.