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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7758 Posts
June 08 2016 11:14 GMT
#721
BH pick into Slardar? hmm

also the firebird is here oh boy
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 08 2016 11:14 GMT
#722
On June 08 2016 20:08 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:59 nojok wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:52 bluzi wrote:
LS is the new king of this meta , whats his win rate his major , looks really high, Loda played so much LS when he was out of the meta , now that its back of course they ignore it.... sigh

17 10 but he has been picked by the favorite more often than the underdog, Though the wins while being first pick is more surprising to me, I would not have thought pro teams would struggle that much but naix fits into any line up I guess. Bring back shadow demon please.


We've seen a lot of fascinating combo Naix-Bombs. VG.R's Slarder + LS probably being the most out of the meta, but damn did that ever make heroes explode. LS + Riki has been rolling over people in the mid-game a lot, as well.

Weirdly, it's probably useful to think of Naix as much as a ganker than a Position 1, in a lot of situations. It's a lot like how Spectre was being used. You can always find pick-offs in the mid-game, and the reality is that those pick-offs are stupidly valuable right now. With the way the game is and the reward you get. (You can accelerate supports in levels with them, which is probably their most valuable attribute.)

I think shutting down top tier offlaners : tide, beastmaster, doom and slardar in lane is maybe his biggest strength too, We've seen a few teams trying to go aggro on him but he still gets his farm, so aggro lane proof too.


Yup, really strong laner right now. And, if it somehow goes badly, you can Naix-Bomb your way back in.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
June 08 2016 11:16 GMT
#723
2-0
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 08 2016 11:17 GMT
#724
strenght only?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
June 08 2016 11:17 GMT
#725
So, now with 3 armlet heroes
There can only be one Geisterkarle
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 08 2016 11:17 GMT
#726
tusk pls now :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 11:18:13
June 08 2016 11:17 GMT
#727
OH!
YES
5 STRENGHT DRAFT BABY

Light shows their ...Strenghts badum tsssss
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
June 08 2016 11:17 GMT
#728
Redeye just chilling :D he doesnt have to do shit on this panel. Its self sufficient
EXTERMINATE!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 08 2016 11:18 GMT
#729
On June 08 2016 20:03 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:51 deadmau wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote:
Complexity is so poor at decision making this game even with superior draft it doesn't carry you through if your decision making is all over the place.


So it's true, you still have to actually control your heroes after a getting a superior draft.

I'm not even sure how they lost that. Lifestealer literally the only one that can touch the DP, so yeah if you lifestealer blink-bomb her she might die... but just one fight where col gets the innitiation and you have an immortal DP not getting ravaged / dmg from lesh while just rekking everyone. While also having the option to just put BM ult on the single hero that can do dmg: the naix

I really don't know how you can lose that

just look at that highlight: Limp on 100% hp doing 1v3 vs Liquid and killing them lol

First, roar was their only stun, with troll warlord's net on doom (lol), liquid had 3 forcestaves, then DP did not have much HP with her build and when BKB was down she could not manfight lesh, so far froom immortal. It was not an outdraft. Besides beastmaster could not initiate, he had to hide because liquid used the infest ravage on him every single time, then what can col do? Doom one target, pop exorcism, use omnislash and pray they did crippling damage because liquid was free to do what they want.

yeah, when BKB is down. Thus me saying the only way to win for Liquid is to burst her down before she presses the button. If she gets it off she can easily 1v4 and heal herself up for the duration of BKB. And after that 2-3 of Liquid are dead and you can just push. That's how top rax went down: Liquid was ahead all the time but they screwed up a single innitiation and instantly lose teamfight into rax down
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sonics12
Profile Joined May 2016
14 Posts
June 08 2016 11:18 GMT
#730
This is over for CoL. This draft is horrible.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7758 Posts
June 08 2016 11:18 GMT
#731
I think Liquid has this in the bag
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 08 2016 11:20 GMT
#732
Once again col going for the single lockdown, I don't like it. Why they hate stuns so hard?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
June 08 2016 11:20 GMT
#733
"Without any ferver ado" while the casters make use "wait for it"
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 08 2016 11:23 GMT
#734
On June 08 2016 20:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 20:03 nojok wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:51 deadmau wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote:
Complexity is so poor at decision making this game even with superior draft it doesn't carry you through if your decision making is all over the place.


So it's true, you still have to actually control your heroes after a getting a superior draft.

I'm not even sure how they lost that. Lifestealer literally the only one that can touch the DP, so yeah if you lifestealer blink-bomb her she might die... but just one fight where col gets the innitiation and you have an immortal DP not getting ravaged / dmg from lesh while just rekking everyone. While also having the option to just put BM ult on the single hero that can do dmg: the naix

I really don't know how you can lose that

just look at that highlight: Limp on 100% hp doing 1v3 vs Liquid and killing them lol

First, roar was their only stun, with troll warlord's net on doom (lol), liquid had 3 forcestaves, then DP did not have much HP with her build and when BKB was down she could not manfight lesh, so far froom immortal. It was not an outdraft. Besides beastmaster could not initiate, he had to hide because liquid used the infest ravage on him every single time, then what can col do? Doom one target, pop exorcism, use omnislash and pray they did crippling damage because liquid was free to do what they want.

yeah, when BKB is down. Thus me saying the only way to win for Liquid is to burst her down before she presses the button. If she gets it off she can easily 1v4 and heal herself up for the duration of BKB. And after that 2-3 of Liquid are dead and you can just push. That's how top rax went down: Liquid was ahead all the time but they screwed up a single innitiation and instantly lose teamfight into rax down

Except col had no way to prevent liquid from disengaging outside of threatening rax.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 08 2016 11:23 GMT
#735
Is there something that I missed, but why did one of the players typed "fired"?
EZ4ENCE
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 11:24:46
June 08 2016 11:24 GMT
#736
On June 08 2016 20:20 nojok wrote:
Once again col going for the single lockdown, I don't like it. Why they hate stuns so hard?

There are basically two "lockdowns" in Duel and Sprout
oh, and a ministun from Bounty Hunter!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 08 2016 11:24 GMT
#737
On June 08 2016 20:23 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 20:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 20:03 nojok wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:51 deadmau wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote:
Complexity is so poor at decision making this game even with superior draft it doesn't carry you through if your decision making is all over the place.


So it's true, you still have to actually control your heroes after a getting a superior draft.

I'm not even sure how they lost that. Lifestealer literally the only one that can touch the DP, so yeah if you lifestealer blink-bomb her she might die... but just one fight where col gets the innitiation and you have an immortal DP not getting ravaged / dmg from lesh while just rekking everyone. While also having the option to just put BM ult on the single hero that can do dmg: the naix

I really don't know how you can lose that

just look at that highlight: Limp on 100% hp doing 1v3 vs Liquid and killing them lol

First, roar was their only stun, with troll warlord's net on doom (lol), liquid had 3 forcestaves, then DP did not have much HP with her build and when BKB was down she could not manfight lesh, so far froom immortal. It was not an outdraft. Besides beastmaster could not initiate, he had to hide because liquid used the infest ravage on him every single time, then what can col do? Doom one target, pop exorcism, use omnislash and pray they did crippling damage because liquid was free to do what they want.

yeah, when BKB is down. Thus me saying the only way to win for Liquid is to burst her down before she presses the button. If she gets it off she can easily 1v4 and heal herself up for the duration of BKB. And after that 2-3 of Liquid are dead and you can just push. That's how top rax went down: Liquid was ahead all the time but they screwed up a single innitiation and instantly lose teamfight into rax down

Except col had no way to prevent liquid from disengaging outside of threatening rax.

failed innitiation from liquid like the one toplane with the invis and shadowblades or straight up pushing both works for col and did work when they didn't play with pants on head
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sonics12
Profile Joined May 2016
14 Posts
June 08 2016 11:26 GMT
#738
Sprout is not a lockdown in any way. Unless the player goes full tilt. And duel is not a lockdown. What you gonna duel a naix? He'll pwn you!
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 08 2016 11:26 GMT
#739
On June 08 2016 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 20:23 nojok wrote:
On June 08 2016 20:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 20:03 nojok wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:51 deadmau wrote:
On June 08 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote:
Complexity is so poor at decision making this game even with superior draft it doesn't carry you through if your decision making is all over the place.


So it's true, you still have to actually control your heroes after a getting a superior draft.

I'm not even sure how they lost that. Lifestealer literally the only one that can touch the DP, so yeah if you lifestealer blink-bomb her she might die... but just one fight where col gets the innitiation and you have an immortal DP not getting ravaged / dmg from lesh while just rekking everyone. While also having the option to just put BM ult on the single hero that can do dmg: the naix

I really don't know how you can lose that

just look at that highlight: Limp on 100% hp doing 1v3 vs Liquid and killing them lol

First, roar was their only stun, with troll warlord's net on doom (lol), liquid had 3 forcestaves, then DP did not have much HP with her build and when BKB was down she could not manfight lesh, so far froom immortal. It was not an outdraft. Besides beastmaster could not initiate, he had to hide because liquid used the infest ravage on him every single time, then what can col do? Doom one target, pop exorcism, use omnislash and pray they did crippling damage because liquid was free to do what they want.

yeah, when BKB is down. Thus me saying the only way to win for Liquid is to burst her down before she presses the button. If she gets it off she can easily 1v4 and heal herself up for the duration of BKB. And after that 2-3 of Liquid are dead and you can just push. That's how top rax went down: Liquid was ahead all the time but they screwed up a single innitiation and instantly lose teamfight into rax down

Except col had no way to prevent liquid from disengaging outside of threatening rax.

failed innitiation from liquid like the one toplane with the invis and shadowblades or straight up pushing both works for col and did work when they didn't play with pants on head

Required a blunder from liquid, so not working so well.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Sonics12
Profile Joined May 2016
14 Posts
June 08 2016 11:27 GMT
#740
An alche? He's gonna pwn you!
A slardar? Wait for it.... He's gonna pwn you!
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