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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 08 2016 16:57 GMT
#1581
On June 09 2016 01:27 DucK- wrote:
100% loda fault. Alliance was in control. He could have rushed blink and dictate tempo. Or he could have gone armlet which was many folds better than vanguard. That failed gank on I think invoker showed how week his dps was. S4 played, nothing he did could salvage loda's mistake.


Duck , blink is not the item on #1 slardar , you cant have your #1 blink in with no HP/Armor and die right away , way too costly , safe to say QO is the best #1 slardar ie. - get early farm priority and he goes armlet first item every time into blink and continues to farm non stop all game , So i would replace the Vanguard with OP Armlet for sure , but not blink first.
Way too risky and all inish .
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 08 2016 16:57 GMT
#1582
damn i missed navi vs alliance

g2 looked crazy.
WriterXiao8~~
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 16:58:43
June 08 2016 16:58 GMT
#1583
On June 09 2016 01:47 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams.


og? liquid?
:|

newbee lgd

full china u fucks
this is a quote
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:01:27
June 08 2016 17:00 GMT
#1584
I don't see og getting past mvp..will be glad to be proven wrong ..
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:05:53
June 08 2016 17:01 GMT
#1585
Blink first on 1st position Slardar is fine, it's just 100% a question of lining up your timings with the rest of your team. Most of the time it comes too early to match your other cores' development because safelane farm gets you your first item so early, but if the heroes are appropriate for using that Blink timing, it's acceptable.

"No HP/Armor" isn't an argument because honestly getting a Blink so fast usually means enemy supports don't have enough levels to contribute the necessary spells to kill you. It's just a matter of whether the team can use the early power spike. MVP doesn't draft teams that want to utilize such an early blink timing, and prioritize the Slardar's farming efficiency more, so QO gets Armlet first. But that doesn't mean that's the only way to use the hero.
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shad2810
Profile Joined August 2013
Malaysia2682 Posts
June 08 2016 17:02 GMT
#1586
On June 09 2016 01:58 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 01:47 hfglgg wrote:
On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams.


og? liquid?
:|

newbee lgd

full china u fucks


China numba wan !
Proud owner of Fnatic and Clutch Gamers's Discussion Page
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:03:10
June 08 2016 17:02 GMT
#1587
On June 09 2016 01:56 Slardar wrote:
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On June 09 2016 01:33 Dracolich70 wrote:
On June 09 2016 01:28 Slardar wrote:
The way S4 plays QoP is similar to Puck I feel. He always blinks in aggressively.....which most of the time is a nono on QoP but acceptable on Puck with Euls and or Blink as an escape.

Then there is the problem of him always just ulting 1 target almost immediately, as if it's a 40 sec CD spell. Should just buy Aghs 1st and forget the damn Orchid.
Early Orchid is better than Aghs.

Of course blink in is a no-no, if you want to skip Orchid.


We're not talking about whats better........and it's situational which is better. I'm just talking what would suit S4's style better. More HP = more diving , lower CD more ult whiffing is fine. etc
It suits his style and his role better to go Orchid first, which is why he does it. Considering the amount of games he has played on QoP and how many games he has played on [A] it is pretty safe to say that he understands what he needs to do, and how he best achieve it.

Having that regen, attack damage, and disable is much more viable than a bit of flat mana, health and a 40 sec CD on his ult in early game. He is not gonna ult every 40 secs in early game.
LiangHao
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 08 2016 17:04 GMT
#1588
The better question is whether QoP is even a hero that is sustainable for Alliance to play if Loda is going to sit back on his own development rather than dictating the flow of the game. QoP is a hero that's pretty reliant on finding her own tempo, and if Alliance is going to keep relying on S4 to direct the game by himself, QoP isn't necessarily the ideal hero to do that.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 08 2016 17:07 GMT
#1589
On June 09 2016 01:57 Kipsate wrote:
damn i missed navi vs alliance

g2 looked crazy.

Just watch the last ~20 minutes of it though... the rest wasn't great.
kiss kiss fall in love
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
June 08 2016 17:11 GMT
#1590
loda was left
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11449 Posts
June 08 2016 17:12 GMT
#1591
On June 09 2016 01:57 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 01:27 DucK- wrote:
100% loda fault. Alliance was in control. He could have rushed blink and dictate tempo. Or he could have gone armlet which was many folds better than vanguard. That failed gank on I think invoker showed how week his dps was. S4 played, nothing he did could salvage loda's mistake.


Duck , blink is not the item on #1 slardar , you cant have your #1 blink in with no HP/Armor and die right away , way too costly , safe to say QO is the best #1 slardar ie. - get early farm priority and he goes armlet first item every time into blink and continues to farm non stop all game , So i would replace the Vanguard with OP Armlet for sure , but not blink first.
Way too risky and all inish .


See yango reply. Given how the game went, blink first could work. Could dictate the tempo for qop to go rampage.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:18:47
June 08 2016 17:12 GMT
#1592
On June 09 2016 02:04 TheYango wrote:
The better question is whether QoP is even a hero that is sustainable for Alliance to play if Loda is going to sit back on his own development rather than dictating the flow of the game. QoP is a hero that's pretty reliant on finding her own tempo, and if Alliance is going to keep relying on S4 to direct the game by himself, QoP isn't necessarily the ideal hero to do that.
I think the general idea that Loda was gonna dictate the game, but the whole Rosh ordeal, did not only help Na'vi finding early game presence, screwing up [A] for the reminder of the game, it totally halted Lodas influence, as he bought back. There was little [A] could do to buy him time to get back, as Navi was totally handed that momentum, rather than [A] escalating as it would have been.

They pretty much all three lanes, were ahead, and were heading to their timing to dominate, when they went for a greedy Rosh, which turned everything upside down, making not only Loda suffer, but also s4 and Bulldog in their roles. Only in hindsight was QoP not ideal, but their gameplan was on track.
LiangHao
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:15:09
June 08 2016 17:14 GMT
#1593
On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams.

There's a reason fnatic only got 2nd place in the groups and if newbee beats them tomorrow Liquid beating fnatic once more would be the more likely outcome I guess?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
June 08 2016 17:28 GMT
#1594
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
June 08 2016 17:39 GMT
#1595
NAVI NAVI NAVI

Navi VS OG finals rematch from dreamleague anyone?
Keep moving forward
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:40:25
June 08 2016 17:40 GMT
#1596
On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one

that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 17:45:11
June 08 2016 17:42 GMT
#1597
On June 09 2016 02:39 neozxa wrote:
NAVI NAVI NAVI

Navi VS OG finals rematch from dreamleague anyone?
Na'vi already had an attempt at a rematch from Dreamleague. They lost again, this time 2-0, which makes it 7-1 in the past 3 matches.

On June 09 2016 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one

that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~
Considering it is fairly common, it can hardly be called superstition. And it is dangerous, because the loser will try something else, while you do not feel you should change anything.
LiangHao
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
June 08 2016 18:18 GMT
#1598
On June 09 2016 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one

that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~

It's pretty common for people to learn more from a loss than they do from a win though, so I dunno.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
Kasto
Profile Joined May 2010
473 Posts
June 08 2016 20:08 GMT
#1599
Go China and CIS! Would be nice to have one of both in the finals, if however unlikely.
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