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On June 09 2016 01:27 DucK- wrote:
100% loda fault. Alliance was in control. He could have rushed blink and dictate tempo. Or he could have gone armlet which was many folds better than vanguard. That failed gank on I think invoker showed how week his dps was. S4 played, nothing he did could salvage loda's mistake.
Duck , blink is not the item on #1 slardar , you cant have your #1 blink in with no HP/Armor and die right away , way too costly , safe to say QO is the best #1 slardar ie. - get early farm priority and he goes armlet first item every time into blink and continues to farm non stop all game , So i would replace the Vanguard with OP Armlet for sure , but not blink first.
Way too risky and all inish .
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damn i missed navi vs alliance
g2 looked crazy.
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On June 09 2016 01:47 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams. og? liquid? :|
newbee lgd
full china u fucks
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I don't see og getting past mvp..will be glad to be proven wrong ..
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Blink first on 1st position Slardar is fine, it's just 100% a question of lining up your timings with the rest of your team. Most of the time it comes too early to match your other cores' development because safelane farm gets you your first item so early, but if the heroes are appropriate for using that Blink timing, it's acceptable.
"No HP/Armor" isn't an argument because honestly getting a Blink so fast usually means enemy supports don't have enough levels to contribute the necessary spells to kill you. It's just a matter of whether the team can use the early power spike. MVP doesn't draft teams that want to utilize such an early blink timing, and prioritize the Slardar's farming efficiency more, so QO gets Armlet first. But that doesn't mean that's the only way to use the hero.
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On June 09 2016 01:58 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:47 hfglgg wrote:On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams. og? liquid? :| newbee lgd full china u fucks
China numba wan !
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On June 09 2016 01:56 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:33 Dracolich70 wrote:On June 09 2016 01:28 Slardar wrote:
The way S4 plays QoP is similar to Puck I feel. He always blinks in aggressively.....which most of the time is a nono on QoP but acceptable on Puck with Euls and or Blink as an escape.
Then there is the problem of him always just ulting 1 target almost immediately, as if it's a 40 sec CD spell. Should just buy Aghs 1st and forget the damn Orchid. Early Orchid is better than Aghs. Of course blink in is a no-no, if you want to skip Orchid. We're not talking about whats better........and it's situational which is better. I'm just talking what would suit S4's style better. More HP = more diving , lower CD more ult whiffing is fine. etc It suits his style and his role better to go Orchid first, which is why he does it. Considering the amount of games he has played on QoP and how many games he has played on [A] it is pretty safe to say that he understands what he needs to do, and how he best achieve it.
Having that regen, attack damage, and disable is much more viable than a bit of flat mana, health and a 40 sec CD on his ult in early game. He is not gonna ult every 40 secs in early game.
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The better question is whether QoP is even a hero that is sustainable for Alliance to play if Loda is going to sit back on his own development rather than dictating the flow of the game. QoP is a hero that's pretty reliant on finding her own tempo, and if Alliance is going to keep relying on S4 to direct the game by himself, QoP isn't necessarily the ideal hero to do that.
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On June 09 2016 01:57 Kipsate wrote:
damn i missed navi vs alliance
g2 looked crazy.
Just watch the last ~20 minutes of it though... the rest wasn't great.
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On June 09 2016 01:57 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:27 DucK- wrote:
100% loda fault. Alliance was in control. He could have rushed blink and dictate tempo. Or he could have gone armlet which was many folds better than vanguard. That failed gank on I think invoker showed how week his dps was. S4 played, nothing he did could salvage loda's mistake. Duck , blink is not the item on #1 slardar , you cant have your #1 blink in with no HP/Armor and die right away , way too costly , safe to say QO is the best #1 slardar ie. - get early farm priority and he goes armlet first item every time into blink and continues to farm non stop all game , So i would replace the Vanguard with OP Armlet for sure , but not blink first. Way too risky and all inish .
See yango reply. Given how the game went, blink first could work. Could dictate the tempo for qop to go rampage.
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On June 09 2016 02:04 TheYango wrote:
The better question is whether QoP is even a hero that is sustainable for Alliance to play if Loda is going to sit back on his own development rather than dictating the flow of the game. QoP is a hero that's pretty reliant on finding her own tempo, and if Alliance is going to keep relying on S4 to direct the game by himself, QoP isn't necessarily the ideal hero to do that. I think the general idea that Loda was gonna dictate the game, but the whole Rosh ordeal, did not only help Na'vi finding early game presence, screwing up [A] for the reminder of the game, it totally halted Lodas influence, as he bought back. There was little [A] could do to buy him time to get back, as Navi was totally handed that momentum, rather than [A] escalating as it would have been.
They pretty much all three lanes, were ahead, and were heading to their timing to dominate, when they went for a greedy Rosh, which turned everything upside down, making not only Loda suffer, but also s4 and Bulldog in their roles. Only in hindsight was QoP not ideal, but their gameplan was on track.
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On June 09 2016 01:42 Akill0816 wrote:
A Grand Final between Fnatic and MVP Phoenix seams pretty likely they way things are going. Only Newbee looks as strong as those two teams.
There's a reason fnatic only got 2nd place in the groups and if newbee beats them tomorrow Liquid beating fnatic once more would be the more likely outcome I guess?
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Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one
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NAVI NAVI NAVI
Navi VS OG finals rematch from dreamleague anyone?
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On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one
that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~
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On June 09 2016 02:39 neozxa wrote:
NAVI NAVI NAVI
Navi VS OG finals rematch from dreamleague anyone? Na'vi already had an attempt at a rematch from Dreamleague. They lost again, this time 2-0, which makes it 7-1 in the past 3 matches.
On June 09 2016 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~ Considering it is fairly common, it can hardly be called superstition. And it is dangerous, because the loser will try something else, while you do not feel you should change anything.
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On June 09 2016 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 02:28 Talin wrote:
Rematch series are always dangerous for the team that won the first one that's just superstition because people feel like it'd be awkward to get kicked out by someone you already beat imo~
It's pretty common for people to learn more from a loss than they do from a win though, so I dunno.
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Go China and CIS! Would be nice to have one of both in the finals, if however unlikely.
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