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SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
May 10 2016 11:58 GMT
#1001
On May 10 2016 20:56 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 20:56 FakeDeath wrote:
Sheever so salty.

And people doubted Newbee.

27-0 now.

Now to see whether they can beat EG.

Why would the self-professed Newbee fangirl be salty?


She thinks Secret "figured out" newbee in game that they 5-th pick cheesed with huskar... if that is not Salty the other reason is her absolute 0 knowledge of the game
People call me Jack, OMASJack
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
May 10 2016 11:59 GMT
#1002
On May 10 2016 20:57 hfglgg wrote:
coming back from lunch and seeing that secret apparently got dismantled pretty good. newbee obviously wasnt invite-worthy, what valve?

Half of invited teams wouldn't have survived open quails, imo
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
May 10 2016 11:59 GMT
#1003
Also im pretty sure hurricane pike is garbage on huskar
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 10 2016 11:59 GMT
#1004
Liquid getting rolled. wtf.
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
May 10 2016 12:00 GMT
#1005
On May 10 2016 20:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
There were so many spots that Secret just didn't jump the supports, let Kaka live long enough to do Wisp things.

Arteezy really seemed to play pretty badly far too often.

Congrats to Newbee on winning a game they really should have lost.


I don't agree with the "should have lost". Their high ground defense was amazing, and they had a very easy time running away from the BKBs/DP ult due to Secret's draft, which is why they kept surviving. Once they had double ravage they could very easily cut off the Secret cores from the supports. And eventually they just outscaled Secret.

While EE made mistakes on the huskar, Newbee overall did a huge amount of work in just stalling.
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
May 10 2016 12:00 GMT
#1006
liquid the only top team? :/
FTD
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 10 2016 12:00 GMT
#1007
liquid getting bodied by the tony
WriterXiao8~~
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 10 2016 12:00 GMT
#1008
Meanwhile Col is destroying Liquid. Dude I did not see this coming.
Getting too old for this..
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
May 10 2016 12:01 GMT
#1009
On May 10 2016 21:00 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
liquid the only top team? :/

do top teams lose to coL

I guess A was a top team at Shanghai so maybe yes
rip
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 12:02:42
May 10 2016 12:01 GMT
#1010
On May 10 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
liquid getting bodied by the tony

How the fuck did they lost a game against axe

Huge props to collll
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 10 2016 12:01 GMT
#1011
On May 10 2016 21:00 turpentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 20:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
There were so many spots that Secret just didn't jump the supports, let Kaka live long enough to do Wisp things.

Arteezy really seemed to play pretty badly far too often.

Congrats to Newbee on winning a game they really should have lost.


I don't agree with the "should have lost". Their high ground defense was amazing, and they had a very easy time running away from the BKBs/DP ult due to Secret's draft, which is why they kept surviving. Once they had double ravage they could very easily cut off the Secret cores from the supports. And eventually they just outscaled Secret.

While EE made mistakes on the huskar, Newbee overall did a huge amount of work in just stalling.


They weren't able to end the game because of two big mistakes by EternalEnvy and Arteezy, both of which set the game back two minutes each. Four minutes is a lot in Dota, and it was what gave Newbee the time to get what they need.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 10 2016 12:02 GMT
#1012
you can also call games based on the idea that even the teams that are considered top can make those game-deciding decisions, losing or winning in the process. it happens, and you learn. that's what it means to attempt to make a 'call'.
there are a lot of outside factors than what your understanding can account for.

it happened, and then you learn.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 10 2016 12:03 GMT
#1013
On May 10 2016 20:57 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 20:51 opterown wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:50 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:48 turpentine wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:46 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:45 turpentine wrote:
GG

Amazing hold by Newbee

On May 10 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:43 Invictus wrote:
its like the moment azarkon says secret wins a teamfight they immediately lose ROFL


They did win the team fight. Arteezy then ran the wrong way.


So we now have the excuse lol: Secret won if only arteezy something something


Because that's a FACT.

Just look at how many times Arteezy made a HUGE mistake that game.


So did EE. Both made mistakes. That means... Newbee played better! That's why they won, and why Secret lost. Amazing

And Newbee arguably made a huge mistake when they ran out of their base when Huskar popped the aegis, and Secret were able to reengage and take the mid rax off of that. Newbee could've probably held even longer had they just sat in base and waited for a mistake. Their lineup could disengage and reengage much more easily due to Secret's lack of stuns


EternalEnvy made one big mistake. Arteezy made two. It took three such mistakes for Newbee to win that game. I'm not saying Secret didn't deserve to lose and Newbee didn't deserve to win. But in no way was that game decided by logic. It was decided by those three mistakes.

it's not like newbee didn't make several of their own


They made a few but they were not as obvious and not as ridiculous as the mistakes Arteezy and EternalEnvy made. Actually, even EternalEnvy's mistake is not that bad. But Arteezy running in by himself way ahead of his team when they had the best time to push, and getting caught out during his back because he went the wrong way, no one could've seen that coming.

Decision making is a team effort but at the end of the day, you can only call games based on the idea that teams will play solid and not throw. This was not solid Dota and so no call was ever going to work.


What are you trying to argue ? that Secret couldve won the game ? sure , they could but they lost to the better team , mistakes are part of the game , why are you so childish to admit that Secret got outplayed after a great early game , there is your quote "Secret are shitting all over newbee" some pages ago , JUST GIVE THEM CREDIT , be a sport , stop making execuses like a baby
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
May 10 2016 12:04 GMT
#1014
I stand by my assessment that the easiest way to change the outcome of the second game is to have EE survive one of those early fights due to better armlet toggling / wand usage and he would have just snowballed out of control. In the base pushes idk, have to give Newbee credit for how they jumped on the opportunities they were given. Of course Arteezy shouldn't have been so far ahead but oh well
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 12:05:05
May 10 2016 12:04 GMT
#1015
'current year' people still get baited by Azarkon, lmfao

well played by Newbee, probably the best in the world by form right now

Secret looks much better than before but sometimes seem not in one mind, they kinda need more game together.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 10 2016 12:04 GMT
#1016
Wait, how come Liquid gave coL the one hero Limmp can play?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 10 2016 12:04 GMT
#1017
In any case, I have to sleep. It's all on PPD's team now to take Newbee down today. Hate to miss it but this game went too long.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 10 2016 12:04 GMT
#1018
I don't know about 'absolutely worth it,' Purge.
super gg
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-10 12:08:49
May 10 2016 12:05 GMT
#1019
Rtz played as dogshit 2 games in a row and you can't expect stellar things from envy whatsoever

EG is the single Western top-tier team so far. oG is second in power. Everyone else is just crumbling.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 10 2016 12:05 GMT
#1020
For ur public service baiting of the a-god

Two posts side by side.

On May 10 2016 19:49 Azarkon wrote:
Newbee making SO MANY mistakes lelz.



On May 10 2016 20:50 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2016 20:48 turpentine wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:46 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:45 turpentine wrote:
GG

Amazing hold by Newbee

On May 10 2016 20:44 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2016 20:43 Invictus wrote:
its like the moment azarkon says secret wins a teamfight they immediately lose ROFL


They did win the team fight. Arteezy then ran the wrong way.


So we now have the excuse lol: Secret won if only arteezy something something


Because that's a FACT.

Just look at how many times Arteezy made a HUGE mistake that game.


So did EE. Both made mistakes. That means... Newbee played better! That's why they won, and why Secret lost. Amazing

And Newbee arguably made a huge mistake when they ran out of their base when Huskar popped the aegis, and Secret were able to reengage and take the mid rax off of that. Newbee could've probably held even longer had they just sat in base and waited for a mistake. Their lineup could disengage and reengage much more easily due to Secret's lack of stuns


EternalEnvy made one big mistake. Arteezy made two. It took three such mistakes for Newbee to win that game. I'm not saying Secret didn't deserve to lose and Newbee didn't deserve to win. But in no way was that game decided by logic. It was decided by those three mistakes.

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