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At least you admit you are trying to shit on Chinese Dota since 2011-12, Azarkon, whose results inherently has been up and down, just like Western Dota. I don't know if all this comes from higher expectancy of them, but your narrative is an extremists tunnelvision.
I guess that is alright, we all have our crosses to bear, and chips on our shoulders.
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The only reason why I can't find anything else is because the GG.Net forums got nuked and the only thing that is left are comments from certain threads.
You yourself admitted that if EHOME won ESWC 2010 you would admit that the Chinese teams were just straight up better. And prior to that, all you were doing was saying that teams like Nv.Int, DTS, TeG could stand up against the Chinese teams when they clearly couldn't. Fucking X! Dumped on KKY's TA with a Lion mid.
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On April 25 2016 01:06 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 00:44 Dysisa wrote:
I'm so glad I can come back to this thread and see that a good part of at least the 10 last pages is just people arguing with Azarkon lmao Enjoying the side show?
God yes I am LOVING it, it's my favorite part of the LR whenever Chinese teams play.
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On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:00 superstartran wrote:On April 24 2016 23:58 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote:
Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt. Invite is going to go out before then. What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila. I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today.
I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD
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Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
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On April 25 2016 00:10 Kamisamanachi wrote:
No " StarCraft ded game" discussion today ,guys ? I try to revive my interest that died in January 2012. I only wanna watch games with Zergs in them, though.
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On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:00 superstartran wrote:On April 24 2016 23:58 Azarkon wrote:
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Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila. I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD
Results aren't random. Had they been, I'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, I wouldn't be. Even the West against China isn't 50% each. It's about the time and the teams. For example, saying Chinese teams would fail in Shanghai was obvious. Saying they would fail in the international in 2014 was not.
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On April 25 2016 01:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:00 superstartran wrote:
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I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD Results aren't random. Had they been, you'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, you wouldn't be.
Wat?
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On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote:
Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most. Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
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On April 25 2016 01:14 superstartran wrote:
The only reason why I can't find anything else is because the GG.Net forums got nuked and the only thing that is left are comments from certain threads.
You yourself admitted that if EHOME won ESWC 2010 you would admit that the Chinese teams were just straight up better. And prior to that, all you were doing was saying that teams like Nv.Int, DTS, TeG could stand up against the Chinese teams when they clearly couldn't. Fucking X! Dumped on KKY's TA with a Lion mid.
When did I ever say TeG could stand up to Chinese teams? I didn't even know who the fuck TeG was until that tournament. DTS, I might have said they could win, but never TeG; you are obviously remembering it wrong.
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konadora
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why are you guys trying so hard lol havent u guys learned?
just ignore and move on with life and everything is easier :v he'll always be right in his eyes
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Wow the fuck happened to this thread lol
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On April 25 2016 01:19 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:00 superstartran wrote:
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I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD Results aren't random. Had they been, I'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, I wouldn't be. Even the West against China isn't 50% each. It's about the time and the teams. For example, saying Chinese teams would fail in Shanghai was obvious. Saying they would fail in the international in 2014 was not. Yet you try to portray a consistency that they are failing, lazy, not developing, and the older players are holding the new blood back.
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On April 25 2016 01:21 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote:
Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most. Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play. I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
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On April 25 2016 01:25 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote:
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When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD Results aren't random. Had they been, I'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, I wouldn't be. Even the West against China isn't 50% each. It's about the time and the teams. For example, saying Chinese teams would fail in Shanghai was obvious. Saying they would fail in the international in 2014 was not. Yet you try to portray a consistency that they are failing, lazy, not developing, and the older players are holding the new blood back.
All of which was fact. Even they came out and said it.
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On April 25 2016 01:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:25 Dracolich70 wrote:On April 25 2016 01:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:07 superstartran wrote:
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You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome. You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD Results aren't random. Had they been, I'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, I wouldn't be. Even the West against China isn't 50% each. It's about the time and the teams. For example, saying Chinese teams would fail in Shanghai was obvious. Saying they would fail in the international in 2014 was not. Yet you try to portray a consistency that they are failing, lazy, not developing, and the older players are holding the new blood back. All of which was fact. Even they came out and said it.
And yet you were ok with the West talking mad shit years ago about like when Maelk and Loda were gonna stomp the Chinese teams and then they proceeded to get assraped.
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On April 25 2016 01:26 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:21 Dracolich70 wrote:On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote:
Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most. Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play. I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope. They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it. I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice. They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
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On April 25 2016 01:36 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:27 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 01:25 Dracolich70 wrote:On April 25 2016 01:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 01:17 Salazarz wrote:On April 25 2016 00:29 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:26 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:19 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 00:15 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2016 00:08 Azarkon wrote:
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No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012. You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc. Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there. See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post? If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously. No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't. And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you manage to 'predict' results of tournaments with a ~50% accuracy and all of your predictions are 'West will beat China', it'd be more surprising if 'much' of what you say was NOT right xD Results aren't random. Had they been, I'd have been 50% right by saying Southeast Asia will win every tournament, but obviously, I wouldn't be. Even the West against China isn't 50% each. It's about the time and the teams. For example, saying Chinese teams would fail in Shanghai was obvious. Saying they would fail in the international in 2014 was not. Yet you try to portray a consistency that they are failing, lazy, not developing, and the older players are holding the new blood back. All of which was fact. Even they came out and said it. And yet you were ok with the West talking mad shit years ago about like when Maelk and Loda were gonna stomp the Chinese teams and then they proceeded to get assraped.
Remember this?
In retrospect, the West had it coming. ESWC 2010 was not the first time Asia, and for that matter China, had played and won against the West. Indeed, Zenith and KingSurf of Southeast Asian fame had already made ESWC 2008 an all Asian finals. VP, one of the greatest Western Dota 1 teams of all time, had traveled to China around the same time to practice and scrim with the teams there, with moderate success but for the fact that they kept losing to 7L, the then top team in China, in Chinese tournaments. In December 2009, during the ADL, the Chinese newcomer team XFY had defeated Rox.Kis 3-2 to win one of the first China vs. West tournaments.
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I will never forget an interview conducted shortly before ESWC 2010, which became infamous as an example of Western arrogance and complacency. During the interview, the captain of a top Western team had been asked about Asian teams scouting Western replays in preparation, and whether Western teams were doing the same. His response:
“Sure Asians are scouting. We know that, but we don’t care. We will rape them with our spirit. EU>WORLD.”
I didn't fail to give it to them for being that way.
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On April 25 2016 01:38 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 01:26 Azarkon wrote:On April 25 2016 01:21 Dracolich70 wrote:On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote:
Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most. Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play. I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope. They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it. I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice. They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still. Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
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Walls of texts arguing about past ..hahahaha
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