I just realized, this is pretty much last tournament of 6.86 after which Valve will nuke the game from low orbit, and next few months are going to be a mess resulting in dull TI.
Damn, i just started to like 6.86 despite being a mess.
I just realized, this is pretty much last tournament of 6.86 after which Valve will nuke the game from low orbit, and next few months are going to be a mess resulting in dull TI.
Damn, i just started to like 6.86 despite being a mess.
I just realized, this is pretty much last tournament of 6.86 after which Valve will nuke the game from low orbit, and next few months are going to be a mess resulting in dull TI.
Damn, i just started to like 6.86 despite being a mess.
I started to like 6.86 because of wings drafts .
Nothing says "up yours" to the meta like beating Spectre OD with Alc + Veno I suppose
I just realized, this is pretty much last tournament of 6.86 after which Valve will nuke the game from low orbit, and next few months are going to be a mess resulting in dull TI.
Damn, i just started to like 6.86 despite being a mess.
I started to like 6.86 because of wings drafts .
Nothing says "up yours" to the meta like beating Spectre OD with Alc + Veno I suppose
And they also did it with radiance tank build alch.that OD had no answer to that beast charging at entire liquid team and butchering them
I just realized, this is pretty much last tournament of 6.86 after which Valve will nuke the game from low orbit, and next few months are going to be a mess resulting in dull TI.
Damn, i just started to like 6.86 despite being a mess.
I started to like 6.86 because of wings drafts .
Nothing says "up yours" to the meta like beating Spectre OD with Alc + Veno I suppose
And they also did it with radiance tank build alch.that OD had no answer to that beast charging at entire liquid team and butchering them
idk man, despite all the OD/ES/Invoker OSFROG complaints, i still found all the games incredibly enjoyable. game is relatively balanced (with exception of invoker imo) and so many teams' plays improved... even if any of those "imbalanced OP" heroes were picked, they were still entertaining as hell. probably spectre not so much...
i'm dreading 6.87 because i hope invoker and ES dont get nerfed to oblivion, they are amazingly fun to watch and play
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
Invites will be really interesting for next major. Secret, Liquid, EG, MVP got top 4 and are ensured. Wings and VGR should get invited, so that's two Chinese teams and I highly doubt anymore get invited. Other two slots will be interesting. Will Fnatic get an invite? Complexity? OG and Alliance certainly not, so if none of those 4, other EU teams?
On April 25 2016 08:03 Vertical wrote: Can we mass request to ban A-doG? I think only dysisa is enjoying him The rest are sick of him or pretending to enjoy it
On April 25 2016 01:00 bluzi wrote: Number 7 in the sportscenter countdown was our game respect to Tobi for making it awesome:
For anyone who isn't familiar at all with these types of games that looks a confusing mess but that still was a really great sequence of plays. Stole everything under the sun and even gave the sun to Ramzes right after that fight.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand both games more than you do, given your idea ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the obvious would say. People who have useful opinions about League of Legends would see how similar arguments could be made. In fact, Kelsey Moser, the "China expert," who talks to the people who manage Chinese teams, brings up the exact issues I did years ago in Dota. The fact that you don't see this tells me you don't know shit about either game, in which case it's no wonder you think it's just all bias.
And no, you don't just go from a tournament win, to not being able to win against top teams in Shanghai, within a month for no cause at all. Shanghai results make it necessary to say that Ehome's win was not the rule, while the eight month period during which China lost every tournament was.
As to whether that has changed, I think we'll have to wait a month to find out, just as we did for Shanghai.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
A Western team is going to win so what does it matter.
So what? I'm wrong for one or two tournaments in a year. As I said before, I'd say I'm right about 70%.
Considering Chinese teams rarely comprise more than 30% of all participating teams in a tournament (usually less), having even a 70% 'correct' prediction rate in saying "West will win" is not exactly spectacular. If you had predicted at least one of Chinese tournament wins, you could try to construct an argument for having some kind of insight into the game or whatever. As it stands though, you're not showing any insight or knowledge at all, you're merely repeating the same old broken record. China has actually performed better than than they should by the numbers if you look at overall results between TI5 and now. It's not as if 'West wins!' means anything if in a tournament with 16 teams, the 2 present Chinese teams take places anywhere in top 5 or so. In the 11 Premier tournaments since TI5 that featured any Chinese presence at all, China has won 3, took 2nd place in another 2, and further 11 places within top 4 of said tournaments. You could make an argument for China not having a single consistently good team comparable to EG or Secret of the West (and you'd probably be right), but your claims of Chinese region as a whole being weak are not only retarded but also completely and utterly disproved by simple stats.
On April 25 2016 01:18 Azarkon wrote: Yes, because they deserve the shit for not taking the West seriously and for not developing their region. Further, there was a specific event that simply put me off of their teams. There's a cause for why Wang Sicong's team is the one I shit on the most.
Yes. But you gave that shit, when [A] went to China, and Chuan had to eat humble pie. They do respect Western Dota - some teams even try to copy CIS aggression in the past few years, over safe meticulous play.
I see more games being played in China, and more teams coming through. It has been a long ride. Now we need NA, SEA and SA to develope.
They obviously did not respect Western Dota in 2013, and they did pay for it.
I'm not sure about 2015. They did respect the West, I thought, but did not respect their own new players, and also fail to respect the need for practice.
They didn't respect Western Dota in 2013? How do you figure? Because Na'vi and [A] did best? Half the team that went upper bracket were Chinese, and half the teams in Top 6 were Chinese. Western dota or rather [A] and Na'vi were just ahead of the curve still.
Regarding the rest, it might serve you some good to insert your reasoning both ways and to both sides, as you tried to explain MDL for instance as going on holiday, and not being prepared. Is that due to lack of respect for Chinese Dota on their side?
This is what the best Chinese team said in 2013, about two months before the international:
"[Regarding Western teams] I can only say that if we don’t completely make fools out of them, then their strategies are decades ahead of ours.”
As for the Ehome win, I think you'll agree that during this tournament, Ehome was actually a top team - not the current Ehome - and that further, PPD's team was playing the worst they've ever played due to the conflict between PPD and Arteezy. I'm not saying China's win here doesn't matter but they don't show the West's skill, as we found in Shanghai a month after.
The fact is, until China changes this - and I'm not talking about these tournaments here, but the one coming up - people are always going to argue that the West is the best. Because the West has shown it over the last year.
Here we go again with the excuses. It's hilarious that you can come up with every excuse possible and yet you can't possibly fathom that certain teams will outplay other ones on any given day. All you want to do is push your agenda/bias, to the point that you went into the League of Legends forums and started shitting all over the Chinese scene when you have literally no understanding of League of Legends or that scene in general.
Seriously. Just stop. No one is calling Wings the next TI Champions. All anyone ever said was that they played well, solid, and consistent, and the other teams didn't. Period. End of story.
I am certain I understand that scene more than you do, given your attitude towards the game ie "results are just up to who ever plays the best on a given day!" That's what a person who has never went beyond the surface would say.
I still think a Western team is going to win, but Fnatic is the closest they've ever been to a win. The problem is, I think Fnatic's carry is not a top carry, and they've been able to win games with the other four, rather than because of him.
China is back to being on top of Southeast Asia, I suppose. That's a start. Of course they're still below top Western teams, as you have seen and as you will see.
A Western team is going to win so what does it matter.
So what? I'm wrong for one or two tournaments in a year. As I said before, I'd say I'm right about 70%.
Considering Chinese teams rarely comprise more than 30% of all participating teams in a tournament (usually less), having even a 70% 'correct' prediction rate in saying "West will win" is not exactly spectacular. If you had predicted at least one of Chinese tournament wins, you could try to construct an argument for having some kind of insight into the game or whatever. As it stands though, you're not showing any insight or knowledge at all, you're merely repeating the same old broken record. China has actually performed better than than they should by the numbers if you look at overall results between TI5 and now. It's not as if 'West wins!' means anything if in a tournament with 16 teams, the 2 present Chinese teams take places anywhere in top 5 or so. In the 11 Premier tournaments since TI5 that featured any Chinese presence at all, China has won 3, took 2nd place in another 2, and further 11 places within top 4 of said tournaments. You could make an argument for China not having a single consistently good team comparable to EG or Secret of the West (and you'd probably be right), but your claims of Chinese region as a whole being weak are not only retarded but also completely and utterly disproved by simple stats.
The amount of teams from a region in a tournament is largely irrelevant to the results. Korean teams, for example, have never been more than 20% of the teams in any League of Legends tournament, but have won 90% of them. America sends even less teams than China to Dota tournaments, but has had higher results than them for much of the past year. Southeast Asia has been sending teams to large international Dota tournaments for the past three years, yet has lost practically every single one until a Korean team came around. Chinese teams made up 30% of the teams in Shanghai but none of the teams at the top.
You want to use such arguments? Then get them right, and once you do, you'll begin to see what I see. China could've sent eight teams to Shanghai and they'd have all placed below the Western teams there. They could have 50% of the teams in every tournament in late 2015 and they'd have still lost. I'm able to make a call ie "Western teams will win every group in Shanghai" because I understand how it works. Sure, I'm wrong a few times every year, but no one else here has been able to be as right as I am. Of course, I'm not the best at this. The people who make money off of it are. But then, they wouldn't tell you how they do it, would they?
And no, I don't just say "the West is going to win" every time. Look at what I said in 2014 and you'll see that there were many tournaments for which I didn't say the West is going to win, including the international.
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