On April 25 2016 00:04 Azarkon wrote: Newbee in case they want another Chinese team. I don't know how you can argue against it. They are the only Chinese team other than these two that have results.
Against only other Chinese teams? That don't feel invite worthy to me. I thought LGD had a fairly credible tournament recently.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
On April 25 2016 00:04 Azarkon wrote: Newbee in case they want another Chinese team. I don't know how you can argue against it. They are the only Chinese team other than these two that have results.
Against only other Chinese teams? That don't feel invite worthy to me. I thought LGD had a fairly credible tournament recently.
An invite to Newbee would be an invite for the best Chinese team with respect to results in China. An invite to the team you're talking about would be an invite for, what, a team that hasn't done well in China, and hasn't done well outside of it?
On April 25 2016 00:04 Azarkon wrote: Newbee in case they want another Chinese team. I don't know how you can argue against it. They are the only Chinese team other than these two that have results.
Against only other Chinese teams? That don't feel invite worthy to me. I thought LGD had a fairly credible tournament recently.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
I don't remember ever doing that, and especially not with respect to the teams you talked about. Had I made a post in support of any Western team back then, it'd have been DTS. So you must have mistake me for another.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there.
See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post?
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there.
See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post?
If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there.
See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post?
If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously.
No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't.
And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today.
Also, you CAN find a lot of my old posts. Here's an example for those who want to see what Azarkon thought five years ago:
I am somewhat surprised that EG made it to the quarters over Tongfu (a team that, though not a top team in China, is still a formidable one, while EG's team play looked quite terrible in their first match), but with such strong and experienced players I guess I shouldn't be. Perhaps they began to play a lot better after that match vs. Panda.
Now, though, the real tournament begins. With all the amateur and tier2/tier3 teams eliminated, what we have remaining is the cream of the crop - the six best Chinese teams vs. the two best EU teams (surprisingly, no SEA teams remain - which does not bode well for SMM).
Both IG.Y and DK are strong teams, with DK being stronger. But Na'Vi is also probably stronger than EG - as long as they draft right. So the match-ups are about as good as can be expected short of a free ride (and the group stages were already pretty "free ride" for European teams, since neither ended up in Group D).
Neither Na'Vi nor EG can be considered favorites over their opponents, and both are looking at upsets if they win. Na'Vi, especially - if they win vs. DK, they can turn the world of Dota 1 upside down just like they did in WDC 2010 with that win against Ehome.
But of course, that was a Bo1. This will be a Bo3. Still, they're looking at the most drama-inducing upset of the year (I can just imagine all the EU > China posts if Na'Vi does, somehow, win) and a chance to cement themselves as the greatest team in Dota - which is to say, in Dota 1 AND in Dota 2 - in 2011.
For DK, as a team this isn't a make or break game, since even if they do win, as expected, they will still have to face strong opposition in the finals, and in that sense Na'Vi is only a speed bump on the way to DK securing their seventh tournament win this year.
But, as a representative of Chinese Dota, and in many respects the best representative of Chinese Dota, DK cannot afford to lose. If they lost, even if Na'Vi does get knocked out in the very next round, Chinese Dota would have taken a huge blow in its prestige. Consequently, DK must win to preserve the mystique of the all-powerful Chinese Dota scene.
This is shaping up to be the most important match of the year.
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt.
Invite is going to go out before then.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there.
See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post?
If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously.
No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't.
And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today.
What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila.
I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament).
When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then.
It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them.
You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament.
Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago.
No I wasn't; I am 100% certain you have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, any one who knows me from back then knows that I was for teams such as Ehome.
You want to know when I turn against China, you'll have to look at late 2011 and 2012.
You literally posted on GG.net about how the Euro teams were gonna stomp prior to ESWC. The only team you defended any of the Asian teams was in SMM 2009, and none of those were actual Chinese teams. Those were teams like KS which had players like Yamateh etc.
Here let me refresh your memory
EHOME can beat any team, but the problem is that they're inconsistent. Winning one BO3 does not really show whether a team is better or worse, and TBH SGTY has proven themselves more consistently than EHOME as of late. Unfortunately, with these sorts of invitational qualifiers you can't ensure consistency as there are so few matches. Don't get me wrong, Burning and his team are certainly top-notch players, but I'd liked to have seen SGTY and ZMSJ as well.
All that aside, it's now up to EHOME to represent Chinese DOTA. The spotlight will be on them, and it'll either be their moment of glorious triumph, or their moment of terrible infamy, knowing the Chinese fans and how much they expect from their champions. I mean, it's not like most other countries where there is an undisputed top team that people can safely call their best. Since EHOME took the spot from SGTY, they will have to prove that they deserved it.
Yeah. You're certainly EHOME's #1 fan there.
See how I didn't shit on China or talk up the West even once in that post?
If I had actual access to the old posts I would have plethora of evidence against you (such as your dickriding of Nv.Int). Your bias has been 6 years going at this point. Just admit that the Chinese have been recently been playing well and shut up. Seriously.
No, you wouldn't. Because I know what I thought back then, while you obviously don't.
And why would I shut up, when much of what I say is right? I said four years ago that China needs to develop its new players. Look at which Chinese teams are doing well today.
'When much of I say is right'
'Na'vi threw on purpose to hide strategies'
Many teams will not show their best strategies at the start of a tournament. This is what many people believe these days.
Also, you want to talk about how I thought about Ehome back in 2010? Here's one of my arguments against people who thought they weren't the best.
I'm not going to argue that Ehome is the best team of all time, since their roster has changed drastically since the days of Gx and Dgc. But I maintain they are the best team in this current junction of time, having won two of the four most prestigious LAN tournaments of recent months. Yes, they lost in WCG China, and did not attend the ACG, but which of their competitors can be considered the better in terms of results? Let's have a look.
The main rivals for Ehome in recent times, based on tournament performance rather than hypotheticals, fanboyism, etc., would be LGD.Sgty, Nirvana.cn, and StarsBoba. Here are the reasons why I would argue against these three teams being the best instead of Ehome:
LGD.Sgty: For those people who are saying that LGD > Ehome - LGD may have been better than Ehome a few months ago when their strategy was virtually unbeatable by Chinese teams. However, things have changed since the ESWC and I'd argue since the ESWC qualifiers. Ehome has brought its game to a higher level, if you are at all familiar with professional play then you know this sort of shifts in team performance is not at all surprising. It's called being in good form, and it comes from a variety of factors including practice, focus, and attitude. LGD.Sgty has not been in the best form since their loss to Ehome in the ESWC Qualifiers. They've certainly NOT been dominating Ehome lately. To this end, bringing up LGD's past victories is not all that meaningful for the status of these two teams TODAY.
Nirvana.cn: Nirvana.cn is probably the hottest of the new roster teams and I've freely admitted this several times. They won WCG China convincingly, and the way by which they were eliminated from the IEM was not very fair (they lost all of one game, just like Ehome and LGD, but because of k:d ratio, was forced out in a three-way tie), and I would argue that, had they made it past the group stage, they would've likely gave both Ehome and LGD a good fight, with a solid shot at the championship. Nonetheless, Nirvana.cn with its current roster is still "green" - their success is recent and we'll have to see more proof of its consistency.
StarsBoba: The Vietnamese power house roundly defeated all competitors in the Pan-Asian ACG, marking its second grand victory in this particular tournament against such foes as Deity, Nirvana.my with Mushi, and Aeon with iceiceice. To say that SB stands a chance against Chinese teams is an understatement. SB has the ability to compete toe-to-toe with Chinese teams. However, to say that SB is equal to Ehome would be to say that SB would perform as consistently as Ehome has in both international and Asian tournaments. This, we cannot say, as we have not seen a SB victory in the ESWC or the SMM or other tournaments with a huge number of teams from all over the world. Without such victories, we cannot say that SB is equal to Ehome.
TLDR: Ehome has the best performance in big tournaments at this present time. They are not "bonjwa" - a term from Starcraft - in that they are so clearly above everyone else so as to be unbeatable (think VP in its glory days). But they have edged out the rest of the competition in recent days and, when allowed to pick their star line-up of Dai/Lion, Burning/Drow, 820/VS, is NEARLY unbeatable and regularly dominates the other best teams in the world.
Thus, Ehome can be considered the best team at the present time, though yes, the race is close, and Ehome can lose this position if they fail to perform in the next few tournaments that are coming up, particularly SMM (though sadly, 820 and 357 might retire by then).
Yes, that's Azarkon arguing against people saying Ehome wasn't the best team in the world.
On April 24 2016 23:00 Azarkon wrote: Well, the problem with a win in the last two tournaments, is that suddenly the West is going to wake the fuck up and watch and study your every game. The big Manila is still the West's to take, but we'll see how well Newbee and such do.
lmao.
what about West lacking talents and proper management?
West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR.
china did fine at ti5
Even in case you believe this, the rest of the year, they did not.
>the only Western team aside from EG in top6 is VirtusPro Well, if Western teams continued to suck that hard even after TI5 no one would sponsor them. And China gave no fuck afterwards, because they got moneys to make up for it. That's why old players don't rush winning tournaments in a way VG/Wings did - they are famous already and are getting stable salaries because of that.
If Liquid knew they aren't locked for a Major they would win at least one game today, too. It speaks volumes against Western scene when established rosters simply can't handle the pressure of the youngsters: Vega, Empire, OG, Navi and so on, but when China does it, it does it with style on top of that.
This is another from me back in 2010. I believe this was going into one of the last tournaments in 2010.
Ehome Class: S Currently the most consistent team in the world. Won 4/6 LAN tournaments attended this year. Only exceptions are WCG (lost to Nirvana.cn) and ESTC (lost to Nirvana.my). The only team after VP that deserves to be considered S-class when entire history is evaluated.
Nirvana.my Class: A+ Best non-Chinese Asian team. Only non-Chinese Asian team to take a tournament from Ehome. Has two of the best players Malaysia has ever produced. Shaky start, but now really in form. Should go far if Mushi didn't stop practicing.
DTS Class: A+ Most consistent European team. Basically beats all other European teams. Has some trouble vs. Chinese teams (ESWC, RGC), but can dish out as well as they receive. Seems to be in good shape for WDC judging by v1lat's confidence, but we'll see.
Dream Class: A The strongest up-and-coming team I have seen from China. Dream has proven itself both online and on LAN. This team literally came out of nowhere to defeat the likes of LGD and Nirvana.cn. Granted, they had the element of surprise. Still, a powerful contender led by an experienced veteran who is also the only person I recognize from Dream (ex-Deity.357).
NWO Class: A It ain't easy taking games off of DTS, and it ain't easy dominating LGD. Sure, those were online games, but NWO has a roster full of LAN veterans. So they shouldn't be FOBs to LAN. And hey, if I'm going to judge Dream by a few online matches and one LAN, why not judge NWO? Rank A it is.
LGD.Sgty (TYJ.LGD) Class: A- Internal issues are never good for a team... Unless they give you 830 and a new imba line-up? Don't know what to make of the new LGD. They seem to be doing well online but we haven't seen them tested on LAN. LGD is very driven, but I can't rate them based on no data. So I'll go with the rating before 830 joined.
Nirvana.cn Class: A- Nirvana.cn disappoints me. I'm most concerned with their bans and picks and their map movements. They have great individual skills, of this I have no doubt, but they get themselves into so many bad positions simply by virtue of their picks and movements. I can't rate Nirvana.cn higher than this and it's a wonder I didn't give them B+.
Aeon.MUFC Class: A- Wait a minute. Shouldn't Aeon.MUFC be a lot higher, you say, given that they're currently #1 in ADC? Well, not exactly. You see, Aeon.MUFC hasn't actually won any other A- teams in the ADC matches (they've tied) and have been consistently defeated by an A+ team (Nirvana.my) in Malaysian LANs, and of course the S team (Ehome) in ESTC. Given that WDC is a LAN, a conservative estimate of their ranking is A-.
MYM Class: A- MYM has been doing well as of late, but Maelk is not going to China. That could be an issue, you know, not having the person who is widely considered the mastermind of Mym there. Still, Mym should be a force to be reckoned with, and they are an old veteran team that knows its LAN.
Scythe.sg Class: B+ Unless iceiceice comes back full-time to Dota and stops trying to be a SC II super star, Scythe (former Aeon) can't be ranked much higher than this. Don't get me wrong, hyhy and co. are good, but iceiceice's Naga was a critical point in their "comeback" matches during ADC and if he's absent, they may have to go back to standard play and I don't think Scythe's standard play is that strong.
Mineski.Infinity Class: B Don't know which PH team is going to WDC yet, but since Infinity has the best sponsors let's talk about Infinity. Mineski.Infinity is a good team, but they have not been able to win decisively in any of their ADC matches against strong teams. That puts them at B, since WDC won't allow for ties. Still, Infinity should have decent LAN experience so they won't be going into it blind. That is, if they go
I think the only difference between me and many of the other people who thought China the top region back then was that I didn't think Western teams were shit. And that's because they weren't. But no one should try to present me as saying "China is bad" from the beginning.
On April 25 2016 00:44 Dysisa wrote: I'm so glad I can come back to this thread and see that a good part of at least the 10 last pages is just people arguing with Azarkon lmao
respect to Tobi for making it awesome:
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