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Zea!
9589 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:37 Taf the Ghost wrote: Secret TL EG MVP.P Fnatic Complexity VG (they're the main squad now) Wings Wings made it really easy for Valve, this go around. Yea, basically this. Only doubt is COL or OG/Navi/Alliance/Newbee | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
there is around that many teams at the same level who should be considered for that same spot. MVP.P should be a shoe in even if they've bombed out of the last two tournaments (and qualifiers) they've been to. i think Alliance > COL > NAVI at the very least. someone can put in the effort to make a point/elo system over the last 4-6 months or so. i think it'd be pretty accurate. i don't think it's about the impact of the win as in wings' performance this tournament. it's the level and length as well as how reputable the tournament is itself. for example, i'd rate group stages->8-team bracket over a simple 8-team invitational. or simply, larger tournaments are weighted more. would they score SLi over dotapit? maybe. bo5's? 7's? double elim pool? etc. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:41 Vertical wrote: I dont get why CoL is always considered if it reach a deadlock of no one worthy enough just invite the frankfurt major champion That's because while they have not achieved great results per se, their performances in each tournament have been fairly credible and consistent. Even when they get knocked out, seldom were they outclassed hard. I have stated my opinion on this before, but I'd prefer not inviting Fnatic. MVP deserves an invite, and inviting Fnatic means we have 2 random sea teams qualifying for the major which makes no sense at all. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:37 Taf the Ghost wrote: Secret TL EG MVP.P Fnatic Complexity VG (they're the main squad now) Wings Wings made it really easy for Valve, this go around. Secret, TL, NaVi, Wings, Vici Reborn, Fnatic, EG, Alliance. 5 West, 3 East. MVP don't deserve an invite with their latest perfomance. | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:50 DucK- wrote: That's because while they have not achieved great results per se, their performances in each tournament have been fairly credible and consistent. Even when they get knocked out, seldom were they outclassed hard. I have stated my opinion on this before, but I'd prefer not inviting Fnatic. MVP deserves an invite, and inviting Fnatic means we have 2 random sea teams qualifying for the major which makes no sense at all. How makes no sense at all when MVP spot is assured and Fnatic got top 5 in Shangai + strong performances after it in every tournament? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:53 Azarkon wrote: The same argument applies for American teams though. Invite the two best American teams and you have bad teams going to Manila. That's exactly why CoL and MVP shouldn't get an invite. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:14 Azarkon wrote: Not at all, but it's funny how every one on the forum believed "China is bad" until suddenly they win two tournaments with completely new teams and it becomes "China has always been the best." Forget the last year much? This is what happens when you play the best from the West. On a serious note, it's quite clear that many of the Chinese/Asian teams have been playing alot more and practicing alot harder since the holidays are over. It's not like Wings or VG.R in any of the recent tournaments have world beater players on their teams, they just play more solid and consistent DotA then the opposing teams. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:39 Azarkon wrote: Why would the second best American team get an invite over Natus Vincere? Yes I agree, Secret shouldn't be invited. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:52 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Secret, TL, NaVi, Wings, Vici Reborn, Fnatic, EG, Alliance. 5 West, 3 East. MVP don't deserve an invite with their latest perfomance. 4th at the previous major and an international LAN win over EG? It's convincing enough for me. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:55 DucK- wrote: Also newbee have not achieved anything great yet to warrant an invite. They have a chance to prove themselves epicenter. Alliance have been mediocre since shanghai. OG too since Frankfurt. Invite is going to go out before then. What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:52 Zea! wrote: How makes no sense at all when MVP spot is assured and Fnatic got top 5 in Shangai + strong performances after it in every tournament? Because they have only been strong in sea tournaments which means nothing much. Despite good form, they should be behind mvp who won an international tournament. Fnatic not reaching the finals of ESL really hurt their chances. There's still epicenter for them to prove themselves though. Forthedarkseid is right about col. They should really transfer qualifier spots from na/sea to other regions if they want to invite Fnatic and col. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:58 Azarkon wrote: Invite is going to go out before then. What's nice, in case we get the invite we think we are going to, is that practically all of the top Chinese players from previous years are not going to get an invite, and will have to fight each other to get into Manila. I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 25 2016 00:00 superstartran wrote: I'm loving the fact that you still are super salty about EHOME's domination at ESWC. That was literally 6 years ago and you still can't let go of the fact that the Chinese scene essentially dominated the West (despite all the West shit talking big time prior to the tournament). When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:04 Azarkon wrote: West is in no way in lack of either; these two weeks are the first time China has done well in A YEAR. china did fine at ti5 | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On April 25 2016 00:02 Azarkon wrote: When was I mad that they did well six years ago? I don't remember having a problem with the Chinese region back then. It was when they started doing their "old players only" and "only care about money" shit that I became against them. You were literally parading that the Western teams like Nv.Int and TEG were gonna go stomp the Chinese teams that were showing up to ESWC. They then literally proceed to absolutely embarrass every single one of the teams outside of TEG who were the only team that actually played decently vs EHOME that tournament. Your bias is well known. It's been going on for literally 6 years. At this point I can't even call you a troll, I honestly believe you're just delusional and full of hatred for a scene for absolutely no reason other then your favorite team(s) got stomped 6 years ago. In this tournament alone you were shit talking the whole time about how the West is the best, Chinese teams are awful, blah blah blah, and then the Chinese teams (espec Wings) show up and actually play decent for once, and you excuse that and say they 'got lucky' or 'West teams played bad.' How about you just recognize that they played solid DotA for once and just out executed the other teams this tournament? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Even in case you believe this, the rest of the year, they did not. | ||
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