EPTOn April 24 2016 23:25 Racket wrote:
No one, as I wished for so long. Everyone playing Quals YAY!
No one, as I wished for so long. Everyone playing Quals YAY!
Haha, that would be epic.
[ESL One] Manila 2016 - Finals Day! - Page 78
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nojok
France15845 Posts
Haha, that would be epic. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
hell, maybe volvo decides to say fuck it and just keep the same invite numbers as before, 4 from China. | ||
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solomid
7 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:11 Loanshark wrote: Look guys let me explain the Azarkon narrative Chinese team wins with fresh picks = They just found a loophole in the meta Chinese team wins with old picks = Oh look they can't innovate Unknown Chinese team wins = They won because no one studied them Known Chinese team wins = China has no new blood And as always, don't forget to mention that the Western teams just obviously weren't trying that hard and will stomp at the next major/TI. Yeah, that's Azarkon's trick, double-standard. We can say the same on western teams. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:28 haduken wrote: with the way things are going, either both wings and vgr gets invited or none at all hell, maybe volvo decides to say fuck it and just keep the same invite numbers as before, 4 from China. We'll see whether they go with their system, because by their system, they should invite both of these Chinese teams, else say "only our tournaments matter so China gets NOTHING." The second will just about certainly cause a huge conflict, so I think they'll go with the first, but we'll see. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:27 Azarkon wrote: Most of the old Chinese players are, in fact, bad and getting worse. They have long been the problem with the region. You could argue that I shouldn't have put them in the same group as the new players. But the new teams were losing to the old teams. By logic, the new teams were even worse, but now we know it's not so simple. Also what happened to pretending to not read my posts? how did wings won 2 games, LELZ | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:21 Vertical wrote: serious question here : so Wings intentionally gave away kills to Liquid in early game ? then mid-late game start ganking to cash in the rubberband mechanic against OD and Spec the best scaling heroes nonono man, here's how it's goes, like in league of legends. you feed kills to heroes that want kills, spectre OD which is made even easier by a good team that takes advantage of free food. then much later into the game you rubberband off the heroes that benefit the most from rubberband, then you proceed to feed them again and repeat the process, except you're benefiting off track and the farm-time with 1000gpm. wings executed this double-rubberbanding perfectly. it's like taking shears to a pack of sheep, you cut it's wool not kill the animal outright. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I don't know how they won the first two because I wasn't here but I do know how they won the last one: by doing even what Kuroky could not see coming, which is impressive in and of itself. I am sure that this win here changes the way a lot of teams think about Dota; although it won't matter because I think the game itself is about to change. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:21 Vertical wrote: serious question here : so Wings intentionally gave away kills to Liquid in early game ? then mid-late game start ganking to cash in the rubberband mechanic against OD and Spec the best scaling heroes Serious answer: The mechanics of the game set the "floor" it is played on. Wings wasn't feeding kills. Their strategy was designed around working whether they were behind or ahead. That's what the Rubberband allows for, in its current incarnation. If they're ahead, they're able to shut down a player (normally a core) on the other team. If they're behind, they get back into the game. Same move produces similar value, regardless of game-state. From Wings point of view, this definitely simplified their approach, and, today, they played well enough to pull it off. Though, for how aggressive they played, they still pretty much were playing "4 Protect 1" for much of the tournament. Which is a really solid way to play this patch. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:31 nanaoei wrote: nonono man, here's how it's goes, like in league of legends. you feed kills to heroes that want kills, spectre OD which is made even easier by a good team that takes advantage of free food. then much later into the game you rubberband off the heroes that benefit the most from rubberband, then you proceed to feed them again and repeat the process, except you're benefiting off track and the farm-time with 1000gpm. wings executed this double-rubberbanding perfectly. it's like taking shears to a pack of sheep, you cut it's wool not kill the animal outright. but is it true ? I mean intentionally feeding spectre ? if yes then Wings do deserve this victory | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Quoting this to get to A-god Answer: Because your posts show up when other people quote you, like what is happening now, duh. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:24 Azarkon wrote: But now the bigger problem: who is going to get an invite for Manila? Secret TL EG MVP.P Fnatic Complexity VG (they're the main squad now) Wings Wings made it really easy for Valve, this go around. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:37 Taf the Ghost wrote: Secret TL EG MVP.P Fnatic Complexity VG (they're the main squad now) Wings Wings made it really easy for Valve, this go around. Why would the second best American team get an invite over Natus Vincere? | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:33 Taf the Ghost wrote: Serious answer: The mechanics of the game set the "floor" it is played on. Wings wasn't feeding kills. Their strategy was designed around working whether they were behind or ahead. That's what the Rubberband allows for, in its current incarnation. If they're ahead, they're able to shut down a player (normally a core) on the other team. If they're behind, they get back into the game. Same move produces similar value, regardless of game-state. From Wings point of view, this definitely simplified their approach, and, today, they played well enough to pull it off. Though, for how aggressive they played, they still pretty much were playing "4 Protect 1" for much of the tournament. Which is a really solid way to play this patch. thx 6KMMR God | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:29 Azarkon wrote: We'll see whether they go with their system, because by their system, they should invite both of these Chinese teams, else say "only our tournaments matter so China gets NOTHING." The second will just about certainly cause a huge conflict, so I think they'll go with the first, but we'll see. Ideally for Value the invites should now be: Top 6 from Shanghai Major + VG.R + Wings. Not sure if they will still keep 2 spots for each region though otherwise EU is super stacked and NA and SEA may not have the same calibre teams. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:37 Taf the Ghost wrote: Secret TL EG MVP.P Fnatic Complexity VG (they're the main squad now) Wings Wings made it really easy for Valve, this go around. I dont get why CoL is always considered if it reach a deadlock of no one worthy enough just invite the frankfurt major champion | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:39 Azarkon wrote: Why would the second best American team get an invite over Natus Vincere? NO WAY Col gets the invite , they got invited to everything and didn't show they deserve it at all , let them win a qualifier. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
One of the six teams at Shanghai just lost their invite this tournament. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 24 2016 23:46 bluzi wrote: NO WAY Col gets the invite , they got invited to everything and didn't show they deserve it at all , let them win a qualifier. give the extra invite to SEA and add 1 more NA qualifier spot I wish DC gets through just to see the drama vs Secret | ||
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