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[ESL One] Manila 2016 - Finals Day! - Page 76

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uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 14:14:23
April 24 2016 14:14 GMT
#1501
On April 24 2016 23:13 ShootAnonymous wrote:
And the Azarkon-baiting continues... Are any of you actually intent on changing his opinion, or are you just baiting/mocking? I can't tell anymore...


I don't think anyone even knows who is baiting or mocking whom anymore
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 24 2016 14:14 GMT
#1502
That final day made me forget about Sir ActionSlacks commentary.

ESL Greatness!
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 24 2016 14:14 GMT
#1503
pretty sure people are just savoring the moment when a-god is left.
Rillanon.au
honeylover
Profile Joined July 2015
82 Posts
April 24 2016 14:15 GMT
#1504
On April 24 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:08 stuchiu wrote:
Didn't China get 2-5 at TI? How is that terrible?


You realize they went to 12 tournaments, including 2015's international, and didn't win a single one of them? I'd call that a fail regardless of whether you get 2 to 5 in the international.


Give it up for now, dude.
2016 current standing :
1. China - 3 titles
2. EU - 2 titles
3. SEA - 1 title

Please worship western dota again after they have more title in 2016.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 24 2016 14:15 GMT
#1505
On April 24 2016 23:14 TanGeng wrote:
That final day made me forget about Sir ActionSlacks commentary.

ESL Greatness!


the true bar of greatness.

You handicap yourself with slacks casting.
Moderator
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 24 2016 14:15 GMT
#1506
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/tournaments/3510-wpc-ace-league-2014/944-group-stage/3511-east/matches/38871-team-dk-vs-titan

the match 2 years ago with bian and blink
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2016 14:16 GMT
#1507
On April 24 2016 23:15 honeylover wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:08 stuchiu wrote:
Didn't China get 2-5 at TI? How is that terrible?


You realize they went to 12 tournaments, including 2015's international, and didn't win a single one of them? I'd call that a fail regardless of whether you get 2 to 5 in the international.


Give it up for now, dude.
2016 current standing :
1. China - 3 titles
2. EU - 2 titles
3. SEA - 1 title

Please worship western dota again after they have more title in 2016.


Then the next Manila will decide whether they are the best. For now I'd say it's even, at best.
solomid
Profile Joined April 2016
7 Posts
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1508
On April 24 2016 23:04 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:02 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:01 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:00 Racket wrote:
On April 24 2016 22:58 Azarkon wrote:
Many teams win because they were the first team to figure out the strategy for a tournament. Koreans did it, Miracle's team did it, VGR did it, and now another team has done it. It is what it is.

Thing is we are at the end of a patch, not every case you mentioned fits the given context.


Game develops regardless of whether there are changes.

Yep, but what you say is a bad generalization.


It isn't. The teams that win are usually those who find out what to do in a tournament, not the teams that just play the best with the same heroes.

Man, you generalize when you say China is bad and you get picky when a chinese team rocks a tournament. Get your opinions right. That is why you get called out so bad this time.


Can't agree with you more. Azarkon really likes this double-standard trick. American government's trick, tired of this.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1509
The old chinese teams and players are still bad. Don't kid yourself. At least the scene has started to crawl out of the shithole of shanghai major.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1510
On April 24 2016 23:11 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:09 nojok wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:08 stuchiu wrote:
Didn't China get 2-5 at TI? How is that terrible?

Win TI or disband. It's prodota's 4th commandement.


Didn't EG win TI and disband?

Yeah and secret is did the same after their major win. In fact, whatever, pros are weird.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 14:17:41
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1511
Amazing tournament, production was top-notch, crowd great, great dota games, miles better than the shitty Shangai Major, hope for more tournaments in pinoy land :D
The Real Power~
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1512
On April 24 2016 22:31 wims80 wrote:
The BH doesnt matter much, he's just a position 5, he'll get the farm going once he's 6

Once BH got 6 Wings started dominating the game, his early game levels didn't really matter in the end. You could even argue that BH having track earlier would have made Liquids many early kills more valuable
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Poorlilrich
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia262 Posts
April 24 2016 14:17 GMT
#1513
On April 24 2016 23:16 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:15 honeylover wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:11 Azarkon wrote:
On April 24 2016 23:08 stuchiu wrote:
Didn't China get 2-5 at TI? How is that terrible?


You realize they went to 12 tournaments, including 2015's international, and didn't win a single one of them? I'd call that a fail regardless of whether you get 2 to 5 in the international.


Give it up for now, dude.
2016 current standing :
1. China - 3 titles
2. EU - 2 titles
3. SEA - 1 title

Please worship western dota again after they have more title in 2016.


Then the next Manila will decide whether they are the best. For now I'd say it's even, at best.


Or they just figured out the tournament meta right?
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
April 24 2016 14:18 GMT
#1514
On April 24 2016 23:11 Loanshark wrote:
Look guys let me explain the Azarkon narrative

Chinese team wins with fresh picks = They just found a loophole in the meta
Chinese team wins with old picks = Oh look they can't innovate
Unknown Chinese team wins = They won because no one studied them
Known Chinese team wins = China has no new blood

And as always, don't forget to mention that the Western teams just obviously weren't trying that hard and will stomp at the next major/TI.


a-dog should make this as signature hence he doesn't need to type anymore
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 14:20:20
April 24 2016 14:18 GMT
#1515
To be serious, here it's just Secret and Team Liquid being bad.

SLTV was a much stronger case. Now, we know what would have changed in the top standings if Secret and Liquid were there - absolutely nothing.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
April 24 2016 14:18 GMT
#1516
On April 24 2016 23:17 DucK- wrote:
The old chinese teams and players are still bad. Don't kid yourself. At least the scene has started to crawl out of the shithole of shanghai major.


EHOME... ):
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 24 2016 14:19 GMT
#1517
On April 24 2016 23:17 wims80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 22:31 wims80 wrote:
The BH doesnt matter much, he's just a position 5, he'll get the farm going once he's 6

Once BH got 6 Wings started dominating the game, his early game levels didn't really matter in the end. You could even argue that BH having track earlier would have made Liquids many early kills more valuable


No. Once Bat got his Blink, wings dominated the game. The 2 kills on spectre using the same modus operandi won the game. Track didn't matter at all. Bounty's main contribution in the game was just a mobile ward.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 24 2016 14:19 GMT
#1518
On April 24 2016 23:18 ShootAnonymous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 23:17 DucK- wrote:
The old chinese teams and players are still bad. Don't kid yourself. At least the scene has started to crawl out of the shithole of shanghai major.


EHOME... ):


It's bad form to speak ill of the dead.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2016 14:20 GMT
#1519
On April 24 2016 23:17 DucK- wrote:
The old chinese teams and players are still bad. Don't kid yourself. At least the scene has started to crawl out of the shithole of shanghai major.


Don't worry, because of me everyone will state China is the best until Manila and then I'll be right again.
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
April 24 2016 14:20 GMT
#1520
On April 24 2016 23:15 Kamisamanachi wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/tournaments/3510-wpc-ace-league-2014/944-group-stage/3511-east/matches/38871-team-dk-vs-titan

the match 2 years ago with bian and blink


Man I remember that, they looked sooooooo intimidated by Burning and co in the booth, like they were facing a literal god

Now burning is playing on Team Dumpster and their team just won an international LAN title, gotta love E-sports
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