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SaltySam
65 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:05 nojok wrote: No....veno was last pick and zeus was 3rd pick.Last ban from alliance because EG somehow perefered to 4th pick spectre and 3rd pick veno. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:27 woojaekeem wrote: lol artour should redirect some of that passive aggression into encouraging fear/ppd to master chen and/or wisp It sounded more like a nice compliment. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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egallifangay
1 Post
On January 17 2016 21:24 Kipsate wrote: ;; Shots fired!!!!! Wait is he shooting at Alliance or Volvo? | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:06 woojaekeem wrote: u have first pick u shouldn't take bat vs alliance when ld + chen is in the pool too bad eg is limited by fear/ppd's inability to play wisp or chen good enough to first phase pick it Do you know who has a good wisp + Chen ? .... | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:14 Shergal wrote: So I guess this actually puts Secret on a better position in the patch, considering they basically should've won against the champions and only barely lost. Also they can play some of these Alliance heroes. Secret had a very solid pick against Alliance the first game, that looked to have actually put Alliance off their game. They took away the Prophet, took Bat, forced Alliance to ban Chen, banned the Juggernaut the second phase, and Alliance only got to play their Lone Druid, which was not enough for their strategy to work. The second game, however, even though Secret threw, they were not as successful at shutting down the picks. Alliance got both Chen and Lone Druid that game, and that made it a lot easier for them. The third game, Puppey got his Chen but Alliance got both Bat and Lone Druid. From that series as well as this one, it looks as though you don't want to give Alliance two of Bat/Lone Druid/Prophet/Wisp, but that's of course not practical unless you're going to first pick those heroes yourself. | ||
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Sloke
Germany2433 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:27 woojaekeem wrote: lol artour should redirect some of that passive aggression into encouraging fear/ppd to master chen and/or wisp yeah, it seems PPD only plays heroes where there is only one thing he has to do proper for his team (most of the time save them in a way) and pretty much nothing more besides buying almost all support items. He never really plays some early aggression supports or does he? | ||
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woojaekeem
United States524 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:37 Azarkon wrote: Secret had a very solid pick against Alliance the first game, that looked to have actually put Alliance off their game. They took away the Prophet, took Bat, forced Alliance to ban Chen, banned the Juggernaut the second phase, and Alliance only got to play their Lone Druid, which was not enough for their strategy to work. The second game, however, even though Secret threw, they were not as successful at shutting down the picks. Alliance got both Chen and Lone Druid that game, and that made it a lot easier for them. The third game, Puppey got his Chen but Alliance got both Bat and Lone Druid. From that series as well as this one, it looks as though you don't want to give Alliance two of Bat/Lone Druid/Prophet/Wisp, but that's of course not practical unless you're going to first pick those heroes yourself. yup, agreed | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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SaltySam
65 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:27 FuzzyJAM wrote: You forgot to add Razor, Leshrac, Brewmaster, and, Dragon Knight to S4's hero pool. Also, Lina for Sumail. (S4 continued to pick Leshrac even after he was nerfed) 9 to 10s4: NS, Puck, Bat, QoP, DP - 5 Sumail: Zeus, QoP, Ember, Bat, Brew, SK, Razor, DP, Invoker - 9 Yeah man, Sumail only almost played twice as many heroes as S4 this tournament. If only his hero pool wasn't so limited and he could do more than play a different hero almost every game. | ||
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Zvoboo
Germany160 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:31 haduken wrote: i dont think zeus was the problem but definitely AA instead of veno AA was 5th banned from Alliance | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
People are certainly allowed to talk about it. It doesn't mean that it discredits Alliance's win. At least for now what they are doing seems to be simply better than anyone else. And yea, the biggest difference between Alliance 1 year ago and Alliance now is simply s4 being on the team. Them going from a good team to a team that could perhaps be the best in the world may be where the patch comes in. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Though due to his apparent character I never know if he's posing a serious question to, joking with or playing the interviewee. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:27 FuzzyJAM wrote: s4: NS, Puck, Bat, QoP, DP - 5 Sumail: Zeus, QoP, Ember, Bat, Brew, SK, Razor, DP, Invoker - 9 Yeah man, Sumail only almost played twice as many heroes as S4 this tournament. If only his hero pool wasn't so limited and he could do more than play a different hero almost every game. limited because almost all sumail hero can be stomp by single s4 bat ppd moves is pick bat , and banned puck , dp , and qop. let me say once more , s4lt beat sumail all day long | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:44 SaltySam wrote: You forgot to add Razor, Leshrac, Brewmaster, and, Dragon Knight to S4's hero pool. Also, Lina for Sumail. (S4 continued to pick Leshrac even after he was nerfed) 9 to 10 ? How did I forget anything? I was going by this tournament, as I clearly stated, seeing as that was what was being discussed. S4 won the tournament despite playing half as many heroes as Sumail, so clearly Sumail's hero pool isn't too limited to win the tournament - that's total nonsense. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:52 sunrazgriz wrote: limited because almost all sumail hero can be stomp by single s4 bat This is not what limited hero pool means, nor is it true. Bat, even S4 Bat, should not stomp all of the heroes Sumail plays. S4 playing better than Sumail isn't the same as S4 having a broader hero pool. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:21 sunrazgriz wrote: i believe the starladder final is EG vs A Not only are they different mids, but that's not even true. S4 has 10 heroes over 23 games this patch, and sumail has 9 over 21. Statistically even in diversity. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 17 2016 21:50 a-game wrote: I don't think alliance crumbled because of meta. loda just had to learn the hard way that the team isn't shit without s4 Alliance crumbled before s4 went away. | ||
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