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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 17 2016 20:53 GMT
#661
Ho also for some reason the observing was really bad nearly all week. Not sure what happened with it.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 17 2016 21:46 GMT
#662
Got a chance to watch the VOD without being spoiled. (yah!)

Thoughts:

You need 3 things to Win a big tournament:

1) 3 strategies or 3 variations on the same strategy, allowing you to always get a good draft.
2) A draft advantage via Hero Pool compared to the Tournament Meta.
3) At least one player playing at a "next level" compared to everyone else.

Alliance brought a 4th key that's going to need to be figured out. They've figured out how to farm more efficiently with the new map. In a low-kill EG game, they're almost always up 2-3k at 10 minutes, but they were consistently outfarmed in both games, regardless of how the lanes were going. That Dire off-lane needs to be really explored well.

(Credit to Puppey for both calling how the series would play out and the score.)

I do think the Veno was probably not the best choice in game 2 from ppd, but that's not why they lost. They lost because Alliance had figured out their farming pattern better and come up with some brutally hard to deal with rotations. Add on top of that their best heroes dominated the Meta at Starladder. But Alliance both knows how to play them and how to play against them. That game 2 was instructive. With Bat + Zeus, Alliance played the Vision + Nighttime game so well that it was a 2:1 kill score at 20 minutes. Alliance's warding was also really on point. (And it showed some of the problem EG had in game 2 against LGD: really good vision game prevents a lot of what EG wants to do.)

s4 was definitely playing the best of Alliance, though everyone was on-point from Day 2 on. And since s4 is their playmaker, that really opened up the map for them. Add in the great vision game and they were able to both farm better and shut down the farm on EG.

The last point I have is that I think EG hit on the actual Meta direction in Day 1 and didn't quite realize it. Alliance had both strong push and supports that can heal + do something else. (Juggernaut's Healing Ward was pretty critical in game 2 as well.) Call it the "hard sustain" method of support play we've been seeing for a while now, but it's only getting more important. Game 1 really turned on the sustain + position of Alliance at that Top Radiant Tier 1 fight. If Wisp gets picked off, they probably get wiped and the game looks very different. (Most EG games tend to be about those early rotations. If they snag the right one, they can carry the lead to a victory. That's why banning Spirit Breaker is what allowed them to move from 0-2 to win 3-2 against VP at The Summit 4.)
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
January 17 2016 21:56 GMT
#663
I don't recall exactly how the early games went but I feel the reason for Alliance being ahead early through just farming is quite logical. When Bulldog plays LD or NP, he can at times disrupt the enemy safelane from using their pulls as efficiently they could. If they do succeed in zoning him, he can always go to the new camp to farm that. Meanwhile EG completely abandoned their offlane both games as far as I recall. They couldn't disrupt Alliance's pulls at all, so Loda had complete free farm and the supports also had complete freedom to do what they wanted, for example use the pulls to get maximum levels, or farm the jungle when Akke had Chen. Or alternatively help s4 in killing the opposing mid.

GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
January 17 2016 22:43 GMT
#664
On January 17 2016 21:27 Gear 3rd wrote:
This patch could develop into a nightmare for EG.
I will stop my rant about A now. I still dont like them but when they won I thought "well at least theyre celebrating: humans confirmed!"
Imo if some particular players sort out their issues (which they propably will) i think Secret TL could come out really strong this patch in the long run. And i am really curious how OG and VG will approach the patch at shanghai.
Off to TI3 VODs to study.

To be frank I've always considering to be one of the most robotic teams out there, but hey we're all biased I guess.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
JoeHannes
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany207 Posts
January 18 2016 10:13 GMT
#665
Who is drafting for Alliance?
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
January 18 2016 10:29 GMT
#666
On January 18 2016 06:46 Taf the Ghost wrote:


(Credit to Puppey for both calling how the series would play out and the score.)



Just curious does anyone have a link to this interview/post?
SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
January 18 2016 13:33 GMT
#667
On January 18 2016 19:13 JoeHannes wrote:
Who is drafting for Alliance?
s4 just like he was the drafter for Team Secret during their period of dominance.
Huruid
Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden22 Posts
January 18 2016 16:32 GMT
#668
On January 18 2016 19:29 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 06:46 Taf the Ghost wrote:


(Credit to Puppey for both calling how the series would play out and the score.)



Just curious does anyone have a link to this interview/post?


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