EPT[Starladder] Season 13 LAN Finals Playoffs Day 3 - Page 2
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
On January 17 2016 11:01 Danzo wrote: Man, why is it going to start so late. As American, this sucks =/ 9PM for Australia woo hoo actually a non terrible time \o/ | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
At the same time, however, Alliance does offer some significant threats to EG. PPD has never faced their strategy in the flesh before, and it's totally possible that the Swedes will work the game from an angle that he's just not prepared to handle. One of EG's flaws is also their uncoordinated teamfights, which are generally carried by superb individual performances by Universe, Sumail, and occasionally Fear, rather than having all the players operate in perfect unity. Alliance, on the other hand, rarely has knockout performances in teamfights by anyone but s4 and EGM, and instead win them through a level of coordination only matched by some rare few Chinese teams. Teamfights could just backfire on EG insanely hard. Similarly, Alliance's lanes tend to perform shockingly well, sometimes in defiance of draft, and their aggression could be a painful blow to EG. All in all, it's very hard to judge between the two. EG have the decisive advantage, and if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to put money on the match, I'd put it on them. But Alliance is their equal in mental fortitude with the attitude of champions and access to some strange dimension of play that doesn't seem to square properly with what anyone else does. In a certain sense, it's reminiscent of the TI3 finals, of a match between two enduring teams with the potential and desire to win it all. This could be just an utter stomp, if the unity of Alliance isn't enough to match the talent and strategy of EG, but it also has the potential to be a real clash of the titans and a match to remember. I'm pretty excited for it. It helps that I love both teams and will be happy with either one winning. The way that they play this game is beautiful to me, and I'm real happy to see them at the top of this stacked tournament. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 13:33 Acritter wrote: All in all, it's very hard to judge between the two. EG have the decisive advantage, and if someone held a gun to my head and forced me to put money on the match, I'd put it on them. But Alliance is their equal in mental fortitude with the attitude of champions and access to some strange dimension of play that doesn't seem to square properly with what anyone else does. In a certain sense, it's reminiscent of the TI3 finals, of a match between two enduring teams with the potential and desire to win it all. This could be just an utter stomp, if the unity of Alliance isn't enough to match the talent and strategy of EG, but it also has the potential to be a real clash of the titans and a match to remember. I'm pretty excited for it. It helps that I love both teams and will be happy with either one winning. The way that they play this game is beautiful to me, and I'm real happy to see them at the top of this stacked tournament. I just hope it'll be good overall. Both teams actually accomplished the majority of what they needed by making the final. EG showed they're still on form in the new meta (or setting it with First Pick Vengeful Spirit/Witch Doctor) and Alliance showed they should be at Shanghai. (They also showed that poise under pressure that got them the invite by winning WCA. Liquid, Empire and LGD all could have gotten that Invite by winning there, it turned out.) So at this point, while I'd like to see EG win, I really just want some good Dota. That's the important thing. And I really wish it was a Bo5, so we could see the adjustments come online. ppd could roll out either that super-sustain strategy he ran early in the Bo1 or their push-heavier style. Alliance actually had some pretty good bans against EG the first time, but I think Faceless Void probably gets First Phase Banned. I'd love to see Sumail's Invoker, but I'm fairly sure that's going to get banned right away. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 14:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: I just hope it'll be good overall. Both teams actually accomplished the majority of what they needed by making the final. EG showed they're still on form in the new meta (or setting it with First Pick Vengeful Spirit/Witch Doctor) and Alliance showed they should be at Shanghai. (They also showed that pose under pressure that got them the invite by winning WCA. Liquid, Empire and LGD all could have gotten that Invite by winning there, it turned out.) So at this point, while I'd like to see EG win, I really just want some good Dota. That's the important thing. And I really wish it was a Bo5, so we could see the adjustments come online. ppd could roll out either that super-sustain strategy he ran early in the Bo1 or their push-heavier style. Alliance actually had some pretty good bans against EG the first time, but I think Faceless Void probably gets First Phase Banned. I'd love to see Sumail's Invoker, but I'm fairly sure that's going to get banned right away. I'm a little bit in the opposite boat: EG are always going to be a monstrous team and very well-respected no matter what happens, and they're used to taking second-place finishes in events like this. For Alliance, though, winning this would be massive. It would be a huge confidence boost, and would really shake the scene up. It would be exciting as hell to see. But more than that, I want both teams to bring their best Dota and show us what it really means to be world champion. Bo5 would be by far the best, I agree. It would nudge the advantage in EG's favor for sure, but it would also bump up the quality of games. Void is gonna get banned unless Alliance run some kind of targeted punish (which is totally possible), and it's pretty likely that EG are going to ban s4 playmaking heroes. He's so central to Alliance's gameplan that interrupting him will give EG a huge advantage. I hope we get one game of full Alliance rat, to see how EG react to it, and some nice mid matchups. I'm pretty damn eager right now. By the way, did you mean "poise under pressure?" | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 17 2016 14:47 Acritter wrote: I'm a little bit in the opposite boat: EG are always going to be a monstrous team and very well-respected no matter what happens, and they're used to taking second-place finishes in events like this. For Alliance, though, winning this would be massive. It would be a huge confidence boost, and would really shake the scene up. It would be exciting as hell to see. But more than that, I want both teams to bring their best Dota and show us what it really means to be world champion. Bo5 would be by far the best, I agree. It would nudge the advantage in EG's favor for sure, but it would also bump up the quality of games. Void is gonna get banned unless Alliance run some kind of targeted punish (which is totally possible), and it's pretty likely that EG are going to ban s4 playmaking heroes. He's so central to Alliance's gameplan that interrupting him will give EG a huge advantage. I hope we get one game of full Alliance rat, to see how EG react to it, and some nice mid matchups. I'm pretty damn eager right now. By the way, did you mean "poise under pressure?" Whatever could you mean by that last question.  I do think the Batrider is going to be the pick that's contended for the most. ppd did draft it early in 1 game for Sumail, he normally doesn't like to give away Sumail's pick until later. (It seems like there is more value in dominating Mid Lane via a good pick/bad counter available for Sumail, since it let's him snowball a lot easier and it opens up the entire middle of the map for ganking.) But I'm going to be really surprised if Lone Druid makes it through to the second phase during the series. Especially since Arteezy can play it both safe & mid. I'm also curious if ppd breaks out the Earth Spirit in game 1. Jerax did destroy Alliance with it, but Liquid didn't have the followup to capitalize. You need burst or further catch to use all of the stun + silences well. I'm actually curious if Invoker + Earth Spirit isn't the most stupidly powerful combo in the game at the moment. Which is probably why Invoker is getting banned all 3 games. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
Lingering in my mind is also EG using Morphling after losing to it yesterday. RTZ does like the hero, and it can fit into already comfortable EG lineups without much changing. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
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uthgard
2098 Posts
at this point my only hope is for the games to be as clowny as possible | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On January 17 2016 16:19 uthgard wrote: I'll be both happy and unhappy when either of these two teams win due to my dislike of them at this point my only hope is for the games to be as clowny as possible yea,same here..i don't support any of these teams,neither do care for any of their players...but i would like to watch clowny series going into game 3 as much as possible. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 17 2016 16:22 Kamisamanachi wrote: yea,same here..i don't support any of these teams,neither do care for any of their players...but i would like to watch clowny series going into game 3 as much as possible. why don't you like their players? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
i said i don't care if any of those player win...that doesnt mean i dont like them ...i just dont support them..IDK how it sounded and how u took it..not sure how to rephrase it..just as an example,i like PPD for his captainship,but i don't care if he wins or loses his games.same with both old men loda and fear because i support other teams. :D ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY5wu0eWwAElUpO.jpg:large) This is quite awesome..minsk has some hardcore fans | ||
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LennX
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uthgard
2098 Posts
should be very viable with the heroes in the meta | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
Not trashy please. Hot busty ones | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 17 2016 15:34 Taf the Ghost wrote: Whatever could you mean by that last question. I do think the Batrider is going to be the pick that's contended for the most. ppd did draft it early in 1 game for Sumail, he normally doesn't like to give away Sumail's pick until later. (It seems like there is more value in dominating Mid Lane via a good pick/bad counter available for Sumail, since it let's him snowball a lot easier and it opens up the entire middle of the map for ganking.) But I'm going to be really surprised if Lone Druid makes it through to the second phase during the series. Especially since Arteezy can play it both safe & mid. I'm also curious if ppd breaks out the Earth Spirit in game 1. Jerax did destroy Alliance with it, but Liquid didn't have the followup to capitalize. You need burst or further catch to use all of the stun + silences well. I'm actually curious if Invoker + Earth Spirit isn't the most stupidly powerful combo in the game at the moment. Which is probably why Invoker is getting banned all 3 games. Oh, that must have been my mistake. Seeing things that aren't there, or something. I'll have to clean my monitor.  It's very interesting how differently Alliance and PPD treat the issue of playmaking. PPD tends to be conservative, exactly as you say, using Sumail as the X-factor in much the same way as LGD use Sylar, while Alliance are perfectly happy to broadcast an insane portion of their draft with a first phase Puck. However, the only way EG ever get LD is if they devote their first pick to the hero. Alliance have left absolutely no question about how much they value that hero. I think EG are going to make their peace with that and try to get their drafting advantage elsewhere. Or, rather, I think that if they fall into the trap of trying to contest the bear, they're going to let the rest of Alliance punish their arrogance heavily. The strong heroes that EG likes to keep in hiding until the second phase aren't going to be permitted that kind of luxury against Alliance. If EG use Earth Spirit, Alliance are probably going to play around it strategically in the same way as they did against Liquid, with high aggression making rotations just look weak, and mechanically a lot better. I can't help but feel that picking Earth Spirit against Alliance is a hidden trap in the same way as banning Bullldog heroes is. | ||
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Tegenaria
France379 Posts
I dont read everything but someone can explain me why nobody buy necro on LD considering battle cry buff all units under the control of LD ? 150 damage added seem pretty broken with a good root timing | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On January 17 2016 18:18 Tegenaria wrote: Hi everybody, I dont read everything but someone can explain me why nobody buy necro on LD considering battle cry buff all units under the control of LD ? 150 damage added seem pretty broken with a good root timing He can use other items better usually , Radiance is a must as AC , after that usually its items that he needs to keep things locked down or hit ppl with - Basher/MKB (evasion heroes) . If you go Necro (which isn't bad at all) you need to do it first item to have big impact , so skipping Radiance which means you are all in on the Necro , really risky , today`s bear is a farming machine so a Midas + Radiance is the meta , makes you scale really well. Necro as a 3rd big item is usually a waste as the impact those little dudes have diminish with time. | ||
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wooozy
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cmon son | ||
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