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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.

Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.

On another note, CDEC flairs are now live. Sorry about the delay on that.
Chrobbus
Profile Joined February 2010
Iceland195 Posts
August 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#121
How much is the actual split? I recall reading somewhere that Valve sends the money 5-way split to the players of the teams to ensure they get their cuts?

But I'd think the team organization, the manager, the coach etc. are all getting their share. Does anyone know how the split is "generally"?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2015 14:18 GMT
#122
On August 08 2015 23:14 Chrobbus wrote:
How much is the actual split? I recall reading somewhere that Valve sends the money 5-way split to the players of the teams to ensure they get their cuts?

But I'd think the team organization, the manager, the coach etc. are all getting their share. Does anyone know how the split is "generally"?

I am fairly certain that players themselves give the cut to organization, at least that used to be in times when ArtStyle left Navi.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
August 08 2015 14:29 GMT
#123
Theres a very decent chance i wont be able to watch EG v LGD, and maybe be late for grand finals ;_;
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
maximrobi
Profile Joined May 2015
Hungary347 Posts
August 08 2015 14:30 GMT
#124
If EG doesn't at least get in the finals, I think their supporters can't say they are better that Secret. From an objective p.o.v I don't recall Secret getting hammered in the shortest TI match even if they did lose to EHOME and VP.
This game is about towers and the Throne, not kills and fancy play.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 08 2015 14:35 GMT
#125
On August 08 2015 23:14 Chrobbus wrote:
How much is the actual split? I recall reading somewhere that Valve sends the money 5-way split to the players of the teams to ensure they get their cuts?

But I'd think the team organization, the manager, the coach etc. are all getting their share. Does anyone know how the split is "generally"?

Why would anyone but the coach get any splits whatsoever?
Proper organizations should make money from Sponzoring
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 14:37:48
August 08 2015 14:36 GMT
#126
On August 08 2015 23:14 Chrobbus wrote:
How much is the actual split? I recall reading somewhere that Valve sends the money 5-way split to the players of the teams to ensure they get their cuts?

But I'd think the team organization, the manager, the coach etc. are all getting their share. Does anyone know how the split is "generally"?


IIRC the players received the money when Alliance won. Loda tweeted about it and made it sound like the money is sent to the players directly. Their org (EG) took/takes 5-10% cut.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 08 2015 14:40 GMT
#127
On August 08 2015 23:30 maximrobi wrote:
If EG doesn't at least get in the finals, I think their supporters can't say they are better that Secret. From an objective p.o.v I don't recall Secret getting hammered in the shortest TI match even if they did lose to EHOME and VP.

LOL

Aside from Empire (as usual) no top team this season has underperformed this TI. EG, Secret, LGD and Vici Gaming are top 6 and they've won 17 out of 28 Premier tournaments last year (and that's counting shit tier Chinese tournaments)

If you add Empire, these 5 teams have won 21 out of 28. So this part of the results were at least predictable.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2015 14:48 GMT
#128
On August 08 2015 23:40 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 23:30 maximrobi wrote:
If EG doesn't at least get in the finals, I think their supporters can't say they are better that Secret. From an objective p.o.v I don't recall Secret getting hammered in the shortest TI match even if they did lose to EHOME and VP.

LOL

Aside from Empire (as usual) no top team this season has underperformed this TI. EG, Secret, LGD and Vici Gaming are top 6 and they've won 17 out of 28 Premier tournaments last year (and that's counting shit tier Chinese tournaments)

If you add Empire, these 5 teams have won 21 out of 28. So this part of the results were at least predictable.

Secret is top 8 actually.
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sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
August 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#129
On August 08 2015 22:59 pellejohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 22:39 sacrilegious wrote:
I'm probably the only one who does not want to see EG win this, and hope they fall flat in their match vs LGD

Hardly. Me, you and any other sane person would rather see the underdogs take it. Not only is it the best story of any TI but it would also be what is absolutely without doubt best for the scene

Sadly national bias and people loving big huge corporations stomping small people rather see EG take it all

Well my reasoning is I'm just sick of EG winning everything or placing high in their results. As much as I respect PPD and how he turned EG around last year to now, I can't stand him, Sumail and Fear (to a lesser extent), and the only one I would technically cheer for is Aui, though I wish he was never booted from C9 to begin with

I don't particularly have love for CDEC either considering I know no one on their team to begin with and they took down C9 early on ruining my predictions to begin with, but if it came down to CDEC vs EG... CDEC all the way. But I really hope LGD takes it
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 08 2015 14:54 GMT
#130
Disappointed that VG can't make it to the finals just so C9 can say: Atleast we were bombed out by the finalists
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 14:58:33
August 08 2015 14:57 GMT
#131
On August 08 2015 23:54 TheNewEra wrote:
Disappointed that VG can't make it to the finals just so C9 can say: Atleast we were bombed out by the finalists

Well you can still argue C9 was top 6 material and only got fucked over by bracket, they lost to the 1st/2nd and 4th place. Can't say the same for secret since they lost to both 5/6th place teams.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
August 08 2015 15:00 GMT
#132
On August 08 2015 23:57 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 23:54 TheNewEra wrote:
Disappointed that VG can't make it to the finals just so C9 can say: Atleast we were bombed out by the finalists

Well you can still argue C9 was top 6 material and only got fucked over by bracket, they lost to the 1st/2nd and 4th place. Can't say the same for secret since they lost to both 5/6th place teams.

Well C9 played pretty underwhelming at the main event so I wouldn't argue that they deserved more But the thought was funny
Anyways... GO CDEC
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
August 08 2015 15:02 GMT
#133
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2015 15:03 GMT
#134
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2

Mate, you look salty.
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Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
August 08 2015 15:07 GMT
#135
On August 09 2015 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2

Mate, you look salty.

uhhh what?

Check them out bro, racism against the west is strong
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 08 2015 15:12 GMT
#136
On August 09 2015 00:07 Steelavocado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2

Mate, you look salty.

uhhh what?

Check them out bro, racism against the west is strong


We know they're nationalistic (most of them are), but do u need to step down to their lvl?
I cheer for chinese teams mostly cuse of their work ethic and behavior.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2015 15:17 GMT
#137
only reason i cheer for chinese teams is that their games are within my time zone (australia) so i get to know their teams/gameplay better since i can watch more

also azarkon after ti2 helped me cheer for china a lot
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Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
August 08 2015 15:22 GMT
#138
On August 09 2015 00:12 Valhalla44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 00:07 Steelavocado wrote:
On August 09 2015 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2

Mate, you look salty.

uhhh what?

Check them out bro, racism against the west is strong


We know they're nationalistic (most of them are), but do u need to step down to their lvl?
I cheer for chinese teams mostly cuse of their work ethic and behavior.


Can you explain how I stepped down to their level? Feel like I am taking bait here.
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 08 2015 15:27 GMT
#139
On August 09 2015 00:07 Steelavocado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 00:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2

Mate, you look salty.

uhhh what?

Check them out bro, racism against the west is strong

I mean, nationalism goes all ways, that's human nature.

But you do look salty, first referencing ppd's tweet about 6.83 implying EG is better skill-wise than both LGD or CDEC, now referencing eastern nationalism (that exists, obviously), but come on, it's not like we don't have our Azarkons in denial as well.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 15:49:28
August 08 2015 15:30 GMT
#140
that was some good execution by CDEC with their tusk game (1st in the CDEC EG series), it still felt as though the game could have been opened up though. they don't look infallible but i really do enjoy their teamplay so far.

as far as the east vs west vs whatever goes, it's silly but try an excercise anyway:
imagine that you can't place a face to each player still in the tournament and that everyone communicates in english moderately well. if you were to strictly look at the play of each individual as well as the team as a whole, who would you cheer for? i guarantee you'll look for nuances of each player and find tiny little details you like and wouldn't have discovered otherwise. we are very capable of giving unfair levels of bias regardless of whether we realize it or not. this is the sort of thing that a caster has to do on a game-to-game basis.

every single person has a pretty different upbringing, yet their destiny led them here and now and brought together by a game of dota. what's so amazing about this game is that everything you see is performed and can be performed by another human being--yourself included, limbs or no limbs, mental disability or no-disability. seriously, just be happy you can watch great dota. it wasn't easy getting this far into the brackets.
even i was left salty for a while because i really enjoyed secret's play up until a day ago.
it's silly. i realized that for me, it was more important and more meaningful to just cheer for good play no matter who it was.

that was for anyone who doesn't quite understand their fandom.
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