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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much. Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks. On another note, CDEC flairs are now live. Sorry about the delay on that. | ||
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Yurie
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nooboon
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wins: chen, beastmaster, slarder, weaver, puck dark seer, naga, templar assasin, tidehunter, keeper of the light wisp/io, nature prophet, crystal maiden, puck, chaos knight, shadow shaman, brewmaster, rubick, doom, ember Most wins: puck x2 (TI 1,TI 3) loses nature prophet, doom, storm spirit, sandking, lich rubick, leshrac, juggernaut, lone druid, nyx batrider, alchemist, rubick, enigma, templar assassin ancient apparition, nature prophet, weaver, sand king, venomancer Most losses: Rubick 2 (TI 2, TI 4) Sandking 2 (TI 1, TI4) Nature's Prophet 2 (TI 1, TI 4) total appearances (win and loss): doom 2 weaver 2 ta 2 sk 2 puck 2 np 3 rubick 3 | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote: Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
I'm hyped! Hopefully the finals will begin a little earlier, I had trouble staying up last two years. On August 08 2015 22:17 TanGeng wrote: What do really know about ruru? LGD is one of the best operated teams precisely because it isn't owned by 2nd generation wealth. Actually what do we know about her? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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bluzi
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On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote: Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On August 08 2015 22:45 lolfail9001 wrote: Honestly, i do think that CDEC will choke hardcore in finals no matter who wins lb finals. There is a reason they have not won anything (even small) in China. not that it makes their run any less impressive, but EG should honestly just think about how will they cheese Master8 out of tournament. They've made it to the Grand Finals in the toughest tournament. They're winners already in my book. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Latham
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babysimba
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Grettin
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On August 09 2015 01:04 opterown wrote: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10206989722438707.1073741864.1148662121&type=1&l=cdd3a5a81d https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10206997194905514.1073741865.1148662121&type=1&l=b7a24e7f8c day 4/5 photos cool photos david | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote: Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. Western fans give it up for both American and European teams because they belong to the same tournament and talent area. That is to say, European and American organizations pick up players from both Europe and America, so there is simply no way to be a fan of only one. That said, European and American fans have their own conflicts. It's just less than that of West and China, because of the way Dota is. In LoL, the difference between Europe and America is a lot larger because they don't have the same tournament and talent area, which allows for America only fans and Europe only fans. In Dota, there are very few American teams, such that it isn't even its own area. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote: Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. It makes no sense to assume that people in the western hemisphere assume some kind of joined race. People who live there make up a mix of many races. As always, race is irrelevant. What matters is that kinship that people feel, and in this instance, it make sense that people juxtapose China with the rest of the world. Like Bluzi mentioned, it's a factor that people feel that it's "China vs the world", and no one wants just a single nation to dominate. Another factor is how well you can relate to the teams. For me, it would be more exciting to see one of the western teams do well than one of the Chinese because I know more about them and feel more into the scene that they participate in. The Chinese scene feels more secluded to me, whereas the "international scene", as we know it, has relatively more participation from almost all the non-Chinese teams, whereas Chinese teams participate in a greater amount of tournaments that no Chinese teams participate in. So, while I've mostly been rooting for the Russian and German players to do well in this tournament, I have also had a slight bias for non-Chinese teams (whereas in other situations, for instance, Counter-Strike WCG, I've had a bias towards them, because I was more excited about their participation). Not a strong bias, mind you, and it's much more important that we just get to see some good Dota. And what I've watched so far has been really excellent. I'm really hoping that there will be some good opportunities for Secret to rise again and get revenge for their TI shame before too long. And here's to hoping that Yellow Submarine will win the next one | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:57 mutantmagnet wrote: They've made it to the Grand Finals in the toughest tournament. They're winners already in my book. Obviously, they will probably be glad even if they end up getting stomped 3-0 in 60 minutes, but that would still be disappointing to have best main event run in history of TI (TI1 not included) until grand finals only to choke in those. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:24 Azarkon wrote: Western fans give it up for both American and European teams because they belong to the same tournament and talent area. That is to say, European and American organizations pick up players from both Europe and America, so there is simply no way to be a fan of only one. That said, European and American fans have their own conflicts. It's just less than that of West and China, because of the way Dota is. In LoL, the difference between Europe and America is a lot larger because they don't have the same tournament and talent area, which allows for America only fans and Europe only fans. In Dota, there are very few American teams, such that it isn't even its own area. Ehh, I'm not sure that's quite right. Koreans that play on American/European teams/organizations are still largely considered "Koreans" in LoL and SC2. The distinction is still very much made, even though rooting for pretty much any legitimate World Championship contender is rooting for a team with Koreans on it at this point. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote: You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:29 TheYango wrote: Ehh, I'm not sure that's quite right. Koreans that play on American/European teams/organizations are still largely considered "Koreans" in LoL and SC2. The distinction is still very much made, even though rooting for pretty much any legitimate World Championship contender is rooting for a team with Koreans on it at this point. Yes, it has changed in the last few years due to the whole process of bringing over players from other areas. Now it looks as though the difference is simply between different tournament areas - ie LCS against LCK against LPL. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Obviously, they will probably be glad even if they end up getting stomped 3-0 in 60 minutes, but that would still be disappointing to have best main event run in history of TI (TI1 not included) until grand finals only to choke in those. I don't get it. They finished 2nd in group stage (actually tied 1st in points), undefeated in main event so far, 2-0'ed C9, LGD, and EG pretty cleanly, without resorting to any sort of cheese. They've proved they could come back from behind AND know how to close out a game AND has the best team fight the Dota world has ever seen. If at this point they're not the favorite to win the tournament, I don't know who is. How will they be glad if they get stomped in the GF? Why are people still acting like they're the underdog going into the final? To me it's pretty clear they are the best team in this tournament, and if they win this, they're the best team in the world. | ||
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