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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.
Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.
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On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group.
If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead.
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hope LGD can win and my boys MMY and sylar can win a championship ..
hoping for an awesome grand finals
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On August 09 2015 01:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead.
After they lost every tournament in the last six months, including the one in China? When have Koreans ever done that in games where there was Korea against the world? Even in case the Chinese do win in 2015, it doesn't show that they are going to do well in every tournament from now on, and so doesn't need the rest of the world to group.
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Sigh...gotta miss the whole day of Dota for work, but I'll be surreptitiously checking results on my phone all day. EG hype!
Maybe there'll be a ddos and it'll get delayed enough that the games are still going when I get home...
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Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:44 ASoo wrote:
Sigh...gotta miss the whole day of Dota for work, but I'll be surreptitiously checking results on my phone all day. EG hype!
Maybe there'll be a ddos and it'll get delayed enough that the games are still going when I get home...
Demmit i am EU zone  .
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On August 09 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead. After they lost every tournament in the last six months, including the one in China? When have Koreans ever done that in games where there was Korea against the world? Even in case the Chinese do win in 2015, it doesn't show that they are going to do well in every tournament from now on, and so doesn't need the rest of the world to group.
AHAHAHAH LMAO Azarkon.
Let's do a deal, if EG wins i'm never cmng back here.
If china wins, GTFO
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On August 08 2015 22:39 sacrilegious wrote:
I'm probably the only one who does not want to see EG win this, and hope they fall flat in their match vs LGD
i'm with you
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On August 09 2015 01:46 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 01:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead. After they lost every tournament in the last six months, including the one in China? When have Koreans ever done that in games where there was Korea against the world? Even in case the Chinese do win in 2015, it doesn't show that they are going to do well in every tournament from now on, and so doesn't need the rest of the world to group. AHAHAHAH LMAO Azarkon. Let's do a deal, if EG wins i'm never cmng back here. If china wins, GTFO
I don't care whether you come back here, and I already said what I'm going to do in case the Americans don't win.
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On August 09 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead. After they lost every tournament in the last six months, including the one in China? When have Koreans ever done that in games where there was Korea against the world? Even in case the Chinese do win in 2015, it doesn't show that they are going to do well in every tournament from now on, and so doesn't need the rest of the world to group.
As I said in an earlier post, all the rest of the tournaments combined for a whole year are chicken feet comparing to TI. This is very unique in any kind of sports. Winning TI is literally the only thing that matters. If China manages to win back to back TI, placing 4 teams in top 5 in 2014 and potentially 2015 as well, I don't know how you could argue this is not the best region. This will be a even more dominant performance than Korean LoL in 2014 Worlds, and back then everyone and his mother agreed Korea was the best region.
If you play poker and keep winning small pots but losing the big ones, you're a losing player. If a region wins back to back TI with a number's disadvantage (more western teams than Chinese teams), then this is the best region.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Leave Azarkon alone, yo.
He's had to go from "Ti5, 2ez4rtz" and "maybe C9 can shut China out of the top 3" on Day 1 to this....
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why do china even need to win all the tournaments before TI anyway? even in the tournament they lost they placed top 2 and 3 in many of them..while western teams were busy enjoying their first places in those few tourneys,china was preparing for biggest stage and we all know where western teams stand in the biggest pride of the year..
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On August 08 2015 20:02 Ufnal wrote:
I don't get the people who say lgd v cdec is a worse storyline. It clearly is a better story (ex-b team of lgd looking more dominant, the stealing of Maybe, Director8's return run... What does eg bring to the table apart from the old boring western hope thing?), only perhaps harder to sell to an American audience. But, you know, mainstream audience can be found not only in America. And people enjoying a good storyline will fire up more for the many-faceted story and rivalry than for West vs East.
LGD vs CDEC is the better storyline but there is more to EG than being the great western hope.
CDEC vs EG or LGD is a clash of philosophies on how to win the game.
Is Dire better than Radiant?
Does sticking mostly to your playstyle matter more than being as adaptive as possible to their strategy?
Are shuffles the only path to success?
Can the mostly young team beat the mostly old team?
In the case of vs LGD the story gets better because of their previous alignment as senior and junior varsity squads.
It goes one step further because it's now being pointed out that one of the prevailing wisdoms in China is that young players can't succeed without leadership or heavy input from veterans.
In the case of vs EG the story has the specific twists of can the team from the weakest and most fractured major region go all the way?
Can Razor win a TI grand finals game?
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I am hoping for CDEC vs EG in the final. I feel like that one would be most fun in terms of drafting and gameplay.
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No one region is ever going to be pulling insanely ahead in Dota. It is easy to counter winning teams in dota if you have time to study them - mechanical skill is pretty even across all the teams, even korea.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
For all i know, i actually don't undestand why PPD picks Fear heroes that only have 1 redeeming feature in those that being self-sufficient in laning phase (outside of niche AM picks) even if those heroes don't do shit in game itself.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
For all i know, i actually don't undestand why PPD picks Fear heroes that only have 1 redeeming feature in those that being self-sufficient in laning phase (outside of niche AM picks) even if those heroes don't do shit in game itself.
This is kind of easy. Hint:
It's not because of Fear, but other players on the team.
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On August 09 2015 01:57 Stalemilk wrote:
No one region is ever going to be pulling insanely ahead in Dota. It is easy to counter winning teams in dota if you have time to study them - mechanical skill is pretty even across all the teams, even korea.
I agree no region is going to completely dominate Dota, but if we had to pick a best region, it is China. Unlike what Azarkon claims that the regions are completely equal, or even West > China.
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On August 09 2015 01:48 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:41 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 01:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 01:29 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 00:54 bluzi wrote:On August 09 2015 00:38 chosenkerrigan wrote:On August 09 2015 00:02 Steelavocado wrote:
Funny how people are calling us racist. Check out the chinese forums for once. They are Azarkon on roids x2 Comparing Chinese people cheering for Chinese teams to Azarkon is pretty unfair. The thing is, the rivalry has always been China vs West, not East vs West, or China vs. USA. It's China the country vs. 25 other countries combined. The western fans cheering exclusively western teams is primarily a racial-based preference, because most of the time the team they're cheering for isn't even from their home country. However, the Chinese cheering for a Chinese team has added-justification because that's literally their home team. Let me give you an example. I will have a hard time imagining Chinese fans will overwhelmingly cheer for MVP over more well-known teams like Secret/C9/EG, if all Chinese teams were out. However, an American will most likely cheer for Secret/Na'vi over ANY Asian teams, when EG/C9 are out. Tell me who look more racist in that case. Hope you get what I'm trying to say. You are missing one key point , the numbers , the numbers of teams (Pro teams) + fans in china is similar to the total of the west teams (pro teams) + fans , its like SC , it was always Korea vs the world , because if you slice it in a different demographic you end up with nothing , when one scene is dominated by one country which acutally make its a region by it self its ok to consider them a region from a fans POV , so i dont have an issue with the West / Sea /China scenes distribution. This doesn't apply to Dota. There is no area that is so ahead of other areas in Dota that it requires the fans for the rest of the world to group. If China wins this TI, I think we should all agree that China is ahead of the rest of the world by a pretty significant margin. It's not SC2 in Korea level of dominance, but they're definitely ahead. After they lost every tournament in the last six months, including the one in China? When have Koreans ever done that in games where there was Korea against the world? Even in case the Chinese do win in 2015, it doesn't show that they are going to do well in every tournament from now on, and so doesn't need the rest of the world to group. As I said in an earlier post, all the rest of the tournaments combined for a whole year are chicken feet comparing to TI. This is very unique in any kind of sports. Winning TI is literally the only thing that matters. If China manages to win back to back TI, placing 4 teams in top 5 in 2014 and potentially 2015 as well, I don't know how you could argue this is not the best region. This will be a even more dominant performance than Korean LoL in 2014 Worlds, and back then everyone and his mother agreed Korea was the best region. If you play poker and keep winning small pots but losing the big ones, you're a losing player. If a region wins back to back TI with a number's disadvantage (more western teams than Chinese teams), then this is the best region.
They're the best region in case they win, but only to the next big tournament. That's how it was in 2014, and that's how it's going to be in 2015. Did you see people say China was the best going into 2015, simply because they got 2014?
Korea against the world only began because Korea was winning every tournament there was, years at a time. The rest of the world had to group because they lost hope in their own teams and players. It became about who was able to take a game from them. That's not how it works in Dota.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 09 2015 02:00 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
For all i know, i actually don't undestand why PPD picks Fear heroes that only have 1 redeeming feature in those that being self-sufficient in laning phase (outside of niche AM picks) even if those heroes don't do shit in game itself. This is kind of easy. Hint: It's not because of Fear, but other players on the team.
Well, that was visible but it's still a shitty excuse to pick razor.
EDIT: lmao, i just realized, TI5 finals will be commented by a guy with b-day today and champion of TI1.
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Sanya12364 Posts
EG have to win this TI. So I don't have to write yet another China Domination oned article to commemorate TI.
I actually like writing the one I wrote for Ti3 where it was so negative on how China was operating.
That and we get more Azarkon shit-talk against Chinese teams.
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