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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 08 2015 01:33 GMT
#4181
Honestly, I think CDEC is just going to win TI5. EG can't win without techies lol and LGD would just lose again to their B team.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 01:47:06
August 08 2015 01:34 GMT
#4182
there's a new thread nvm.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 08 2015 01:35 GMT
#4183
Es is fine, what isnt fine is letting him go from mid to bottom killing people the first 10 minutes while your supports go into a comatose, I thought people figured this out long ago when puppey destroyed with his roamming es during ks.int days, someone has to counter gank and yet fy and fenrir did nothing both games.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 08 2015 01:36 GMT
#4184
On August 08 2015 10:35 IshinShishi wrote:
Es is fine, what isnt fine is letting him go from mid to bottom killing people the first 10 minutes while your supports go into a comatose, I thought people figured this out long ago when puppey destroyed with his roamming es during ks.int days, someone has to counter gank and yet fy and fenrir did nothing both games.

es is particularly hard to countergank because if you walk up to where you can get completely blocked, a support behind you usually isn't enough to prevent you from dying unless its omni, aba, or dazzle
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2015 01:39 GMT
#4185
On August 08 2015 10:33 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 10:25 TheYango wrote:
On August 08 2015 10:23 mutantmagnet wrote:
On August 08 2015 10:21 a-game wrote:
I hope people are starting to realize how important xiao8 was to Newbee's performance last year. The mothafuckin' Director



Those less than unobservant people weren't a significant minority. Almost everyone understood Xiao8 was important even before the tournament started.

It just makes it all the more amusing how many people were saying Xiao8 was washed up and should retire 2 years ago after LGD's TI3 run.


Well he played total crap in ti3 though.

As I mentioned before, i think LGD at TI3 was behind the times where Xiao8 and Yao didn't make up their minds about who would play mid and who would play offlane. So they'd play each 50% of the time, have drastically changing roles/priorities on the team from game to game, and just end up being bad at both. Which led to games where both of them would each lose their lanes because being just ok at both was no longer good enough to play against competitive international teams.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
August 08 2015 01:39 GMT
#4186
On August 08 2015 10:31 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 10:26 Azarkon wrote:
Also, LGD and CDEC best Chinese teams in this tournament; same organization. Looks to me getting two teams = win.

They used to be same organization i think.

CDEC created their own brand.

Do LGD and CDEC still belong to the same organization? Like how EG and Alliance are both owned by the goodgame organization? I wonder if there's a source on this.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
August 08 2015 01:41 GMT
#4187
On August 08 2015 10:39 a-game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 10:31 Mensol wrote:
On August 08 2015 10:26 Azarkon wrote:
Also, LGD and CDEC best Chinese teams in this tournament; same organization. Looks to me getting two teams = win.

They used to be same organization i think.

CDEC created their own brand.

Do LGD and CDEC still belong to the same organization? Like how EG and Alliance are both owned by the goodgame organization? I wonder if there's a source on this.



CDEC aren't under the LGD management anymore. Maybe they have the same sponsors but I doubt it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2015 01:41 GMT
#4188
They at the very least still unofficially share coaching/management to some extent. Some of the LGD organization managers/etc. could be seen with CDEC during groupstage.
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Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#4189
On August 08 2015 10:35 IshinShishi wrote:
Es is fine, what isnt fine is letting him go from mid to bottom killing people the first 10 minutes while your supports go into a comatose, I thought people figured this out long ago when puppey destroyed with his roamming es during ks.int days, someone has to counter gank and yet fy and fenrir did nothing both games.

So basically the AA pick cement their fate. Not like AA can walk from lane to lane to gank like an ES could.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#4190
Trying is better than not trying, its just too hard to win if you passively follow a predictable game plan, especially since the introduction of smoke, which many teams dont fully utilize properly yet.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
August 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#4191
I know Ruru owns LGD and it looks like she owns the CDEC brand as well http://t.qq.com/cdec_rurutia

Damn she has two teams in the top 3 and potentially both grand finalists in a $20m tournament.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 01:56:05
August 08 2015 01:55 GMT
#4192
AA+Rubick are a potent dual roam though, they could've easily gotten active in the map and even gank the safelane at points. I think VG got a bit scared because the ganks work offensively but it's a really shitty duo if someone turns on them, and with ES+Tusk they didn't want to take chances and go for risky kills. The early game rotations were the most important factor in g3 imo, and LGD obliterated them.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 08 2015 02:03 GMT
#4193
On August 08 2015 10:41 TheYango wrote:
They at the very least still unofficially share coaching/management to some extent. Some of the LGD organization managers/etc. could be seen with CDEC during groupstage.

It's basically the same exact organization.
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
August 08 2015 02:07 GMT
#4194
Interesting that nobody picks wisp with Gyro.
We decide our own destiny
itspopongtime
Profile Joined April 2014
Canada6 Posts
August 08 2015 02:07 GMT
#4195
ruru is flat-chan right?
DK.2pongz
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 08 2015 02:09 GMT
#4196
On August 08 2015 11:07 itspopongtime wrote:
ruru is flat-chan right?

No.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 02:14:02
August 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#4197
On August 08 2015 10:33 meegrean wrote:
Honestly, I think CDEC is just going to win TI5. EG can't win without techies lol and LGD would just lose again to their B team.


As soon as someone figures out to ban PL and bounty CDEC loses... its what happened in the pool and yet nobody is doing it. They always allow one or the other....

I say let them have leshrac, he hasnt won anything in the main event, and at least it forces them to change it up.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
poidrac
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom60 Posts
August 08 2015 02:19 GMT
#4198
updated pick/ban and win rates reference sheets on my thread
here

now, off to bed for me

*Statistics collected by me throughout the day's play, there may be discrepencies*
Morning
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
August 08 2015 02:20 GMT
#4199
On August 08 2015 11:13 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 10:33 meegrean wrote:
Honestly, I think CDEC is just going to win TI5. EG can't win without techies lol and LGD would just lose again to their B team.


As soon as someone figures out to ban PL and bounty CDEC loses... its what happened in the pool and yet nobody is doing it. They always allow one or the other....

They won game 1 with neither. Next theory go.
Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
August 08 2015 02:53 GMT
#4200
On August 08 2015 11:20 Elurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 11:13 Darpa wrote:
On August 08 2015 10:33 meegrean wrote:
Honestly, I think CDEC is just going to win TI5. EG can't win without techies lol and LGD would just lose again to their B team.


As soon as someone figures out to ban PL and bounty CDEC loses... its what happened in the pool and yet nobody is doing it. They always allow one or the other....

They won game 1 with neither. Next theory go.


But honestly it wasn't their tempo as they played really safe g1 vs EG and basicly won cuse of dat one snowball on mid fight.
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