EPTi love fy but his performance in the last 2 months has been short of his own standards
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
i love fy but his performance in the last 2 months has been short of his own standards | ||
mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On June 05 2015 22:34 BadAim wrote: Why are there no vods for this tourney? Chinese timezone + Norwegian timezone does not mix! They post VODs immediately. The VODs are all on azubu but they are tied to the individual channels. You can find the second stream channel here: http://www.azubu.tv/MarsTVMDLen2 | ||
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maximrobi
Hungary347 Posts
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:39 maximrobi wrote: Why did the iG vs C9 play only one match? Isn't it a Bo3? They played 3 games. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
But it ought to have been obvious this was going to occur when you saw Secret, EG, Empire, etc. destroy the competition. Talent breeds talent. When a region is able to produce 1 top team, it's able to produce others via imitation. Last year, EG and DK were neck and neck all the way through to TI. In theory, it ought to have been a narrow TI, but because European teams went their own way on the meta instead of following EG, they got crushed. This year, the best Chinese team, VG, does not know how to beat the best Western teams. It's a line of dominoes - when the first one falls, the rest also fall. I think the Koreans have a shot of placing higher than the Chinese this year, minus VG. | ||
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Azimuth
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 05 2015 22:09 opterown wrote: I think the lack of a long-term LAN tournament like WPC has hurt china a lot It worked so well for TI 3? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:52 Azimuth wrote: Aaand here's Azarkon with his "China is doomed" post. Took you long enough I was summoned. Oh what a day! What a lovely day! | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:48 Azarkon wrote: Chinese tears flooding the thread. Six teams go in, one team comes out. 3/4 Western teams survive. But it ought to have been obvious this was going to occur when you saw Secret, EG, Empire, etc. destroy the competition. Talent breeds talent. When a region is able to produce 1 top team, it's able to produce others via imitation. Last year, EG and DK were neck and neck all the way through to TI. In theory, it ought to have been a narrow TI, but because European teams went their own way on the meta instead of following EG, they got crushed. This year, the best Chinese team, VG, does not know how to beat the best Western teams. It's a line of dominoes - when the first one falls, the rest also fall. I think the Koreans have a shot of placing higher than the Chinese this year, minus VG. i think you went a little too far there :p | ||
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Byyk
457 Posts
On June 05 2015 22:08 goody153 wrote: i still feel fucking sad for this tournament though LGD is out (fucking empire) and c9 for sure is out (cause it's secret they are facing) that's where you switch rtz and s4 cause you know rtz has been the best mid in the west for a while Why so mad on Team Empire? :-( I thought you are kind fan of them... | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
please never change | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:48 Azarkon wrote: I think the Koreans have a shot of placing higher than the Chinese this year, minus VG. yeah this line is pretty sig-worthy | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
there was no WPC before TI3? | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On June 05 2015 23:48 Azarkon wrote: Chinese tears flooding the thread. Six teams go in, one team comes out. 3/4 Western teams survive. But it ought to have been obvious this was going to occur when you saw Secret, EG, Empire, etc. destroy the competition. Talent breeds talent. When a region is able to produce 1 top team, it's able to produce others via imitation. Last year, EG and DK were neck and neck all the way through to TI. In theory, it ought to have been a narrow TI, but because European teams went their own way on the meta instead of following EG, they got crushed. This year, the best Chinese team, VG, does not know how to beat the best Western teams. It's a line of dominoes - when the first one falls, the rest also fall. I think the Koreans have a shot of placing higher than the Chinese this year, minus VG. With regards to the bolded, there's the obvious counter-example of EG and nadoto. Overall this is some scrubby analysis either way. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
What do you like most about Korea? I like the way how Koreans take it super serious when it comes down what they want the most in their lives, they do everything for it. There's this belief that Korea is the heaven for E-sports. What makes Korea a heaven and not Europe? I think it just started from Koreans being better than rest as they take the games way more serious. I'm mainly talking about Starcraft here. The amount of hours they put into playing every day is way more than people do in Europe and I think it is very simple who comes ahead. Not sure if Korea exactly as country is very beneficial for pro-gaming, but people definitely motivate each others here as they compete every day in everything. People even run to escalators from subways! By contrast, you all saw what happened to Newbee after TI 4. Four months of RPGs and yoloing tournaments? Now I understand that Newbee players were in a retirement mood after winning TI but where were their coaches and management? That sort of hiccup never happens in Korean teams. You'd get benched in a week, even on SKT/SSW, for not being on task. Yet Newbee got away with it for months and only till DAC did it result in any action from the organization. And what were the other Chinese teams doing all the while? We all saw the performance at DAC. The excuses given then were 'well they were all gonna shuffle so what's the value of practicing anyway?' That is a very shitty attitude. You practice not just because you feel like it but because it's your job. Even Arteezy brought out his tryhard mode before DAC while Chinese professional teams finished below the Big Gods, a team of retired players put together at the last minute. Bottom line: the lack of professionalism across the Chinese scene is astounding given their tier 1 status as an eSports region. You slack off for 4-5 months after TI, you pay because your competition is getting ahead throughout this time. The race doesn't start three months before TI. The race started years ago, and it's a marathon that doesn't end till the game ends. This is why TIs switch between regions - because every time the Chinese do win a TI, their entire scene shuts off for months at a time, players get used to streaming and screwing around, and when TI comes, the West is already ahead. Now don't get me wrong - I'm over praising the West here by conflating them with Koreans. In fact, a lot of Western teams behave exactly the same and that's why they lose. But this year, there's a few Western teams that believe, very strongly, that they have a great shot at winning a $12-15 million tournament, liable to be the last tournament of this size for Dota. They want to make their mark in Dota and know that this is the last big opportunity to do so. They're working hard at it, not as hard as the Koreans but certainly harder than the Chinese before DAC. The results speak for themselves. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:29 hariooo wrote: With regards to the bolded, there's the obvious counter-example of EG and nadoto. Overall this is some scrubby analysis either way. EG has raised the level of NADoto a lot. That's why your average European tier 2 team wasn't able to demolish the competition in the NA qualifiers. But the issue with NADoto is that there are barely any sponsors and local tournaments. EG is able to do what it's able to do primarily because it's the only well-funded NADoto team and because it attends European tournaments. Even so, I think EG got cut down to size this year due to Secret poaching Arteezy and Zai. | ||
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spudde123
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:43 Azarkon wrote: EG has raised the level of NADoto a lot. That's why your average European tier 2 team wasn't able to demolish the competition in the NA qualifiers. But the issue with NADoto is that there are barely any sponsors and local tournaments. EG is able to do what it's able to do primarily because it's the only well-funded NADoto team and because it attends European tournaments. Even so, I think EG got cut down to size this year due to Secret poaching Arteezy and Zai. Tier 2? Average europe players who've never achieved anything (outside of PLD) with 2 NA players makes a tier 2 Europe team now? holy shit does that make VP/Navi tier 1 and C9/Secret/Empire tier -4? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I see what you're talking about. Apologies, I was thinking about a different tournament. Well, in terms of WPC ACE, certainly it did matter in the sense that it gave the Chinese scene a tournament to play straight after TI 3, and so helped with the issue I brought up. But I don't think it's fair to ignore all the third party tournaments after TI 4 this year. There's been, what, 4-5 tournaments in August-December, and then the big DAC "winter TI"? They had plenty of opportunities to play Dota and to keep up the motivation. But instead you saw Newbee playing RPGs and still winning Chinese tournaments. | ||
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