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team malaysia is the only hope from asia...hahaha..people took my comment too seriously...i was just concerned about chinese doto and if anything they proved in the past is that when it will matter the most,they will bounce back...VG coming 2nd was a big surprise for everybody...something like that will also happen this year and i don't believe this west>east>west>east TI winners bullshit.
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On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG
Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness.
If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5.
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On June 05 2015 21:51 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:43 shouldbeworking wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
maybe bonedraft is the anti-tilt
he knows what to draft himself to carry the game I think the anti tilt was the garbage plays made by BurNings ember. Once EE starts laughing maniacally its over. i mean bad plays by burdening aside bone and misery played like gods like i imagine even if burning had played better that was by no means an easy game for ig, tusk/ns/qop/lion r so scary to fight into and how do u expect him to play on a hero which he literally played for like 2 or 3 times in his whole carrier? i think faith has been yoloing with any picks in his drafts,,why not give him a carry which he is comfortable with?
Burning has proven time and time again in DK that he can play any carry. No team would want to run with Burning AM every game
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On June 05 2015 21:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:
team malaysia is the only hope from asia...hahaha..people took my comment too seriously...i was just concerned about chinese doto and if anything they proved in the past is that when it will matter the most,they will bounce back...VG coming 2nd was a big surprise for everybody...something like that will also happen this year and i don't believe this west>east>west>east TI winners bullshit.
Its not team malaysia anymore pal, Its fnatic 
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On June 05 2015 21:55 weiliem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:51 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 05 2015 21:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:43 shouldbeworking wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
maybe bonedraft is the anti-tilt
he knows what to draft himself to carry the game I think the anti tilt was the garbage plays made by BurNings ember. Once EE starts laughing maniacally its over. i mean bad plays by burdening aside bone and misery played like gods like i imagine even if burning had played better that was by no means an easy game for ig, tusk/ns/qop/lion r so scary to fight into and how do u expect him to play on a hero which he literally played for like 2 or 3 times in his whole carrier? i think faith has been yoloing with any picks in his drafts,,why not give him a carry which he is comfortable with? Burning has proven time and time again in DK that he can play any carry. No team would want to run with Burning AM every game
and where in the world i said burning can only play am? i ain't questioning B-god's versatility..he can play most of the carries at high level but he was very uncomfortable on ember and when there is a superior ember player on ur team ,burning's ember will always look weak.
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On June 05 2015 21:55 weiliem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:51 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 05 2015 21:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:43 shouldbeworking wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
maybe bonedraft is the anti-tilt
he knows what to draft himself to carry the game I think the anti tilt was the garbage plays made by BurNings ember. Once EE starts laughing maniacally its over. i mean bad plays by burdening aside bone and misery played like gods like i imagine even if burning had played better that was by no means an easy game for ig, tusk/ns/qop/lion r so scary to fight into and how do u expect him to play on a hero which he literally played for like 2 or 3 times in his whole carrier? i think faith has been yoloing with any picks in his drafts,,why not give him a carry which he is comfortable with? Burning has proven time and time again in DK that he can play any carry. No team would want to run with Burning AM every game
Tbh, Burning was DK's weakest link at TI4. He is certainly good, but people overrate him too much.
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On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5.
Well i think they are on par for sure but highest individual skill nah.. When Secret has zai/s4/rtz and eg has suma1l/universe you can't say that. Also Super can be lackluster.
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On June 05 2015 21:48 goody153 wrote:
c9 is so dead for sure when it comes to secret .. they have a chance against eg but not secret i've never seen them not get read like a book by secret
Not if they buy TPs this time!
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ig and lgd have no excuse for allowing lanm to be on a t2 team
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On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5.
I mean, VG are really good, but Super could do with less tilting, duh.
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On June 05 2015 21:57 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:55 weiliem wrote:On June 05 2015 21:51 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 05 2015 21:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:43 shouldbeworking wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
maybe bonedraft is the anti-tilt
he knows what to draft himself to carry the game I think the anti tilt was the garbage plays made by BurNings ember. Once EE starts laughing maniacally its over. i mean bad plays by burdening aside bone and misery played like gods like i imagine even if burning had played better that was by no means an easy game for ig, tusk/ns/qop/lion r so scary to fight into and how do u expect him to play on a hero which he literally played for like 2 or 3 times in his whole carrier? i think faith has been yoloing with any picks in his drafts,,why not give him a carry which he is comfortable with? Burning has proven time and time again in DK that he can play any carry. No team would want to run with Burning AM every game Tbh, Burning was DK's weakest link at TI4. He is certainly good, but people overrate him too much.
whole DK team was their weakest Link at TI4..mushi and ice3 also underperformed bigtime at that tourney..stop pinpointing burning just for the circlejerk..they played poor and tried to go with the meta which failed...
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On June 05 2015 21:54 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:53 Nahsom wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 Gevna wrote:On June 05 2015 21:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 Gevna wrote:
I hope chinese dota raises their level for TI5, otherwise it's going to be a disappointing / boring TI :-/ does everything have to be about east v west cant we just hope for good games and intersting games between the top teams, no matter where they're from? Which is exactly what east vs west brings in Dota ? it happens in west v west and east v east too idk where this is coming from Maybe ti4 finals? ti3 too .. i think Genva is just a chinese version of azarkon he just said west vs west is boring
Haha, yes this is exactly what I am. I don't know why I reply to c9 fans but whatever. East vs west is the confrontation of 2 very different playstyles. The result of one year work that we had very few opportunities to watch against each other. I don't know, maybe watching what the collision between the best from different dota cultures, has to offer, is being an irrational chinese fanboy. Whatever.
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On June 05 2015 21:57 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5. Well i think they are on par for sure but highest individual skill nah.. When Secret has zai/s4/rtz and eg has suma1l/universe you can't say that. Also Super can be lackluster.
EG's individual skill is not on par with Secret/VG imo. PPD's pocket strats and outdrafts make up for that though.
Secret and VG are pretty on par. But imo VG has the better offlaner, although Zai stepped up his game alot in the past month. Super while inconsistent, is like Mu where, if he is on form, he has the capacity to outskill s4.
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On June 05 2015 21:59 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:54 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 Nahsom wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 Gevna wrote:On June 05 2015 21:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 Gevna wrote:
I hope chinese dota raises their level for TI5, otherwise it's going to be a disappointing / boring TI :-/ does everything have to be about east v west cant we just hope for good games and intersting games between the top teams, no matter where they're from? Which is exactly what east vs west brings in Dota ? it happens in west v west and east v east too idk where this is coming from Maybe ti4 finals? ti3 too .. i think Genva is just a chinese version of azarkon he just said west vs west is boring Haha, yes this is exactly what I am. I don't know why I replay to c9 fans but whatever. East vs west is the confrontation of 2 very different playstyles. The result of one year work that we had very few opportunities to watch against each other. I don't know, maybe watching what the collision between the best from different dota cultures is being an irrational chinese fanboy. Whatever.
i would agree to your point that watching the best dota is the best but chinese dota is not the best now it's western dota ..would you still rather watch chinese dota even if that's the case ? if so that's where bias comes but it's ok don't worry
everybody can be biased but just don't assume chinese dota is the only good dota
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On June 05 2015 22:01 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:59 Gevna wrote:On June 05 2015 21:54 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 Nahsom wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:52 Gevna wrote:On June 05 2015 21:50 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 Gevna wrote:
I hope chinese dota raises their level for TI5, otherwise it's going to be a disappointing / boring TI :-/ does everything have to be about east v west cant we just hope for good games and intersting games between the top teams, no matter where they're from? Which is exactly what east vs west brings in Dota ? it happens in west v west and east v east too idk where this is coming from Maybe ti4 finals? ti3 too .. i think Genva is just a chinese version of azarkon he just said west vs west is boring Haha, yes this is exactly what I am. I don't know why I replay to c9 fans but whatever. East vs west is the confrontation of 2 very different playstyles. The result of one year work that we had very few opportunities to watch against each other. I don't know, maybe watching what the collision between the best from different dota cultures is being an irrational chinese fanboy. Whatever. i would agree to your point that watching the best dota is the best but chinese dota is not the best now .. it's western dota would you still watch chinese dota even if that's the case ? if so that's where bias comes but it's ok don't worry everybody can be biased but just don't assume chinese dota is the only good dota
And I've never assumed that. I'm a fucking navi fanboy for god sake. I watch every single game, I don't care if it's chinese or western. I would just prefer that TI is a fair competition between east and west because I think it brings more to the table, than just one region rolling over the other one. Which is why "I hope that chinese dota raises their level for TI5". I don't know what is so fucking offensive in this sentance.
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On June 05 2015 22:00 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 21:57 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5. Well i think they are on par for sure but highest individual skill nah.. When Secret has zai/s4/rtz and eg has suma1l/universe you can't say that. Also Super can be lackluster. EG's individual skill is not on par with Secret/VG imo. PPD's pocket strats and outdrafts make up for that though. Secret and VG are pretty on par. But imo VG has the better offlaner, although Zai stepped up his game alot in the past month. Super while inconsistent, is like Mu where, if he is on form, he has the capacity to outskill s4.
Mu will outskill s4 4/5 times when they play only mid..i have no doubt in that..
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i still feel fucking sad for this tournament though LGD is out (fucking empire) and c9 for sure is out (cause it's secret they are facing)
On June 05 2015 22:06 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 22:00 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:57 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5. Well i think they are on par for sure but highest individual skill nah.. When Secret has zai/s4/rtz and eg has suma1l/universe you can't say that. Also Super can be lackluster. EG's individual skill is not on par with Secret/VG imo. PPD's pocket strats and outdrafts make up for that though. Secret and VG are pretty on par. But imo VG has the better offlaner, although Zai stepped up his game alot in the past month. Super while inconsistent, is like Mu where, if he is on form, he has the capacity to outskill s4. Mu will outskill s4 4/5 times when they play only mid..i have no doubt in that..
that's where you switch rtz and s4 cause you know rtz has been the best mid in the west for a while
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I think the lack of a long-term LAN tournament like WPC has hurt china a lot
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On June 05 2015 22:09 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 22:06 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 05 2015 22:00 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:57 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:55 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:53 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:49 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:46 goody153 wrote:On June 05 2015 21:44 beifru wrote:On June 05 2015 21:41 Kamisamanachi wrote:
no way china wins TI this year with these yolo drafts and cocky plays...VG is only hope,it seems...LGD has huge problem with their players..sylar have same problem as BurNing since after TI4 ...it's just that xiao8 fits him and yao in his drafts perfectly while faith just copies other teams drafts..hope,these teams can prove me wrong. Its West -> China -> West -> China Its only logical that the West takes TI this year kekeke But yeah, the standard of Chinese dota really fell off since the Chinese New Year this year. after TI4 china was kinda like just VG alone (with newbee before DAC) after that it was always been VG vs the world Yeah, I think the roster shuffles worked out crap for China. LGD retained Yao, IG picked up Faith (lolwut LaNm was available), ROTK is back to destroy EHOME VG is like the only Chinese team that pretty much smashes the competition, but they kinda choke in the finals and suck at drafting. to be fair VG lineup is really really good right now .. i'd say it's as good as Secret/EG Actually, VG has the highest individual skill of any team in the world right now. They do lack a drafting mastermind (ala Puppey and PPD), which is really their only core weakness. If VG steps up on the drafting department, they are easy favourites for TI5. Well i think they are on par for sure but highest individual skill nah.. When Secret has zai/s4/rtz and eg has suma1l/universe you can't say that. Also Super can be lackluster. EG's individual skill is not on par with Secret/VG imo. PPD's pocket strats and outdrafts make up for that though. Secret and VG are pretty on par. But imo VG has the better offlaner, although Zai stepped up his game alot in the past month. Super while inconsistent, is like Mu where, if he is on form, he has the capacity to outskill s4. Mu will outskill s4 4/5 times when they play only mid..i have no doubt in that.. Nah. s4 is the 1v1 mid world champion.
like that really counts for anything though
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