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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:07 uriel- wrote: rotk didn't exactly have the game of his life but that's the shittiest QOP in pro history considering his start well it is cty of all players... when rotk cant control himself how can he control cty? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:08 Azarkon wrote: 95% of games are won after 5 towers lead at 20 minutes. Secret vs. Ehome is that 5%. nah..there are some games where enemy highground defense and jumping potential is much stronger than yours ..u are left with no option beside farm even if u take all outer towers in such games..and pretty funny to see,u are bringing some shit stats to tell us all that there is a big gap between ehome and secret...there is a gap,but it isn't like what u are saying...ehome will do great at TI5... | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:11 goody153 wrote: they know the rosh timer (winter for sure knows) but secret was in position to contest most of the time .. actually they were not taking notes of when rosh dropped that's why they relied on reading the rosh timer in which they can't read They read the timer wrong. Like they read the timer twice, and they we're like "SHORT RESPAWN" when it was actually a 1 minute respawn, and a 2:30 minute respawn. Maybe it was just me who noticed it.... But it seemed really straightforward, and this is from a sub 3k player. And the caster really gave off the vibe that he doesn't understand the game at all. Idk, anyway, I really like the insight from Winter. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:12 rabidch wrote: well it is cty of all players... when rotk cant control himself how can he control cty? ehome can essentially never win lategame because 1. rotk always falls behind in economy no matter what he plays and 2. cty turns into an idiot after about the 20 minute mark They can't exactly change rosters so their only option is to draft like VG did in TI4 and hope to win that way | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
then again it's c9 | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:17 uriel- wrote: ehome can essentially never win lategame because 1. rotk always falls behind in economy no matter what he plays and 2. cty turns into an idiot after about the 20 minute mark They can't exactly change rosters so their only option is to draft like they did in TI4 and hope to win that way they changed roster exactly to perform great at TI5 and acquired/loned CTY from DK...and i am pretty sure ,noone was considering VG to come 2nd at TI4 after ESL ..hell,many casters/players didn't even put them at top5 and they still found their strat and take 2nd place..while,i don't think this ehome can reach upto that mark,but they are definately top 5 contender with rotk(as a leader,no comments as a player) | ||
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Sabu113
United States11062 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:17 uriel- wrote: iG is probably going to get rolled by c9 then again it's c9 don't think so...both teams are coming from their face getting crushed in same way at summit 3 and they both were 2-2 in group stages..it will be even game ,if not a small adavantage for any team.thats what i am expecting tho..  | ||
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Fire Turtles
527 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:20 Kamisamanachi wrote: they changed roster exactly to perform great at TI5 and acquired/loned CTY from DK...and i am pretty sure ,noone was considering VG to come 2nd at TI4 after ESL ..hell,many casters/players didn't even put them at top5 and they still found their strat and take 2nd place..while,i don't think this ehome can reach upto that mark,but they are definately top 5 contender with rotk(as a leader,no comments as a player) I'd say this is probably most important to consider. ROTK, for all his throws, is a very good leader. Will EHOME get into even top 4 at TI? Unlikely, I think, because they still lack skill/experience compared to some teams, but I wouldn't be surprised if they overperform. Maybe reach top 6 or 8. It's the same for LGD under xiao8. I think these guys are a legitimate threat for the aegis, mostly because when the director figures out the ideal play for the meta, he executes it repeatedly without errors. | ||
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Reson
530 Posts
1) The first Sonic Wave steal at the Rosh fight where Secret got the Rosh would have turned into a Secret Wipe or 4 for 1 without the 3 man Wave. Secret didn't have enough damage to kill the BKB QoP. Rtz already died twice and S4 was limping with no health. It was easy clean up for the QoP. Kky having the Agh was crucial too. 2) The Gust silence on CM and AA on next EHOME high round push with aegis and cheese completely destroyed EHOME. The whole supporting cast died without being able to do anything. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:21 Sabu113 wrote: Surprised people are so bullish for c9. I thought ig has put up some results recently and burning naga will anhilate this c9 team Eh, I think C9 is favored. When is TL going to make it that we can make wagers of Liquid Gold with others. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
But, as always, the more popular opinion is the one that conforms with the memes, so, EHOME is the worst team ever, and this is further, though excessive, proof that Secret is guaranteed to win the next 10 TIs. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:35 Evander Berry Wall wrote: I didn't expect EHOME to win a game against Secret, and anyone with a good idea of the team standings should have had the same expectation. EHOME actually exceeded my expectations by putting up a good fight and honestly coming rather close to winning game two. But, as always, the more popular opinion is the one that conforms with the memes, so, EHOME is the worst team ever, and this is further, though excessive, proof that Secret is guaranteed to win the next 10 TIs. Nobody thinks EHOME is a bad team. I think they've demonstrated they are one of the top chinese teams. VG and LGD are the undisputed best 2 Chinese teams, and then it's a throw up between the 3rd best. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:36 FiWiFaKi wrote: Nobody thinks EHOME is a bad team. I think they've demonstrated they are one of the top chinese teams. VG and LGD are the undisputed best 2 Chinese teams, and then it's a throw up between the 3rd best. No, clearly a lot of people think they are a bad team, and more specifically, that they could personally play Dota beter than RotK and Cty. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:38 Evander Berry Wall wrote: No, clearly a lot of people think they are a bad team, and more specifically, that they could personally play Dota beter than RotK and Cty. People have a tendency to call a team shit in every sport. Whether that's a hockey team that is the 10th best in the world, or whatever else. If it looks like they get outclassed, they get called shit - it's kind of human nature to do so, at least the nature of some people. Secret outclassed them, even in game 2, where they had a deficit, and managed to pull it back. If it was any other team, I would have called it a done game at the 12 minute mark, but it was Secret, and I was just thinking "kay, they have a small deficit", because they are good. I'm doubtful than any people here genuinely think they could go beat them ezpz. edit: Sometimes it's also sarcastic trash talk, people like to troll me like that -__- | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:40 FiWiFaKi wrote: People have a tendency to call a team shit in every sport. Whether that's a hockey team that is the 10th best in the world, or whatever else. If it looks like they get outclassed, they get called shit - it's kind of human nature to do so, at least the nature of some people. Secret outclassed them, even in game 2, where they had a deficit, and managed to pull it back. If it was any other team, I would have called it a done game at the 12 minute mark, but it was Secret, and I was just thinking "kay, they have a small deficit", because they are good. I'm doubtful than any people here genuinely think they could go beat them ezpz. edit: Sometimes it's also sarcastic trash talk, people like to troll me like that -__- Yeah its hard to preface everything with "Although they are way better than me and I have the advantage of hindsight" Its typical sports talk, only extremely delusional people can think they would be in a better position than the pros. | ||
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