EPTThey forgot that tide and doom are heroes they used to favour. They gave too much priority to obtaining prophet. Everything about their draft approach today was not the usual Vici.
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
They forgot that tide and doom are heroes they used to favour. They gave too much priority to obtaining prophet. Everything about their draft approach today was not the usual Vici. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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On July 22 2014 06:08 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think it's not only about the "story of the tournament", it's about the story of the "scene". That's why teamliquid making it would be absolutely insane. They have been losing to like tier 3 teams for most of the year, and come out beating all the power houses. A story that lasts 12 days usually can't make an absolutely fantastic story. *cough* What about EG, bro? *cough* | ||
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SnowStormer
Norway275 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:25 lprk wrote: He means 5 tournaments running at same time with same teams everyday I actually think that WPC-ACE was what made China dommimate this Ti. Since they gave Chinese teams a stable flow of LAN matches which they had to train towards. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:31 DucK- wrote: Thing about vici is that they kept forcing the push strategies without factoring the enemy team. Its so all in because they kept going for lineups with shitty teamfights in favour of pushing heroes. Its almost like they got too caught up with their recent pushing successes, and forgot the fundamentals of how they drafted. They forgot that tide and doom are heroes they used to favour. They gave too much priority to obtaining prophet. Everything about their draft approach today was not the usual Vici. Then on top of that when it was clear a push strat wasn't going to work in game they... did push strat. They basically said screw it and decided to just barrel into fights they couldn't win because they wanted to win the fights. There was nothing wrong with the strategies, and everything wrong with how VG decided to play. There were a lot of games earlier in the tournament where VG went heavy push strat and the game still ended up interesting and long (even with VG losing). In this series VG just tried to force the issue too much and paid heavily for it. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:22 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, if one doesnt like allin strats he's bitching/whining/crying. God forbid one might actually watch e-sports to see entertainign games, rather than very efficient and boring ways to win. I quit watching football a couple of years ago for the same reason, teams were "amazing" at playing bunker football and winning Champion's League with it. Good for them, but im not interested in that kind of play. Nor this for the matter. Dota is still good though, only VG plays this shit style, it's a shame they got 1.5 mil, but what u re gonna do. i am mostly referring to the people balance whining cause 1 team managed to beat most of the other teams who couldnt figure them out with a death ball strategy and therefore clearly do not deserve to be in the finals(talking about VG) | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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Maand
326 Posts
Only thing I wish was different are strategies from VG to spice it up. | ||
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Flacracker
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:33 Shellshock wrote: Did anyone post the esports earnings stuff yet? + Show Spoiler + 20 out of top26 is a pretty decent amount I guess | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:09 superstartran wrote: Alot can happen inbetween TI4 and TI5. Players can be bought out, teams can reshuffle, and tons of patches come out. It's not a forgone conclusion that Newbee would be an instant favorite at TI5 even with their current line-up. People that complain about the finals really haven't seen shit yet. Watching oldschool DotA 1 games where 3 deaths in the first 20 minutes means 60 minute slow death animation with Dusa showing up with 2 Rapiers/Bfly/Skadi was probably the worst shit ever. you literally described TI2 Grand Finals last game, haha. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
anime demands interesting drafts and plot twists and tension, being a c9 fan is not about just c9 winning, its about c9 winning animestyle | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:34 Flacracker wrote: TI4 was a great tournament you guys. We got to see Liquid defy everyone's expectations. We got to see all of the former TI winners get eliminated. NA Dota picks up third place. Newbee was nearly eliminated after the group stage and had to play a tiebreak, then they take the entire thing. The group stage race was very tense. Too bad VG couldn't put up a better fight in the finals. I see a lot of people blaming Valve for a bad TI. Don't blame Valve or the game. Blame the teams for not being able to overcome Newbee and VG. Not to mention LGD's comeback, C9's amazing games (including SingSing getting into the >1 meepo wins club), Universe on FV, and a lot of other cool things. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:34 kaztah wrote: 20 out of top26 is a pretty decent amount I guess it also goes on to be 34 of the top 50 | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:10 Namunelbo wrote: xiao8 LGD misses you, come back...  On a more serious note, you've finally made it Director8! Best director of the year for sure, I hope he is at least nominated for the awards at the end of the year. Gratz! best captain/drafter award guaranteed. | ||
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Bam Lee
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
TI3 was basically a contest between Alliance and Na'Vi to see who was better at using Batrider, Wisp, and Visage. Orange is the only team that added any spice to that. People are people nostalgic about shit that never happened. It's saudade. EDIT: I said best TI4 >_> | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On July 22 2014 06:36 ForTehDarkseid wrote: best captain/drafter award guaranteed. Definitely. But what will be the sickest moment of the tournament like the "million dollar coil"? the 1hp split which marked the comeback for NB? | ||
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Sbrubbles
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