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Please stop the caster bashing. You can disagree with them and post about it but posts that only serve to bash casters senselessly will be actioned.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6141
On July 21 2014 10:22 Iceman331 wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:19 goody153 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:14 Iceman331 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:11 goody153 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:10 lolnoty wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:06 oniman999 wrote:
Anyone else think smoke could use a nerf? The finals is two hyper aggressive, early game, smoke heavy teams. They draft push, use smoke to get a guaranteed kill or two, and then have the space for ez towers.

I've hated the smoke/sentry changes forever. So did Alliance, and I remember an interview where they said they were struggling because control of map vision didn't pay off as much anymore because you could just yolo smoke past good ward control.

Yeah smoke change sucks . It's unstoppable. Sure it allows comebacks which is great for watching but i think it's stupid.

I just want there to be fewer of them in the early game. The supply does not run out fast enough so supports can just yolo past wards.


Are you fucking serious? Smokes promote activity. If you didn't have smoke, supports would sit around doing nothing because it would be impossible to gank. Activity in the game is a good thing.

Of course it promotes activity that's why it's great for watching. And i like it during mid-lategames. It's great it allows comebacks . It's just the early game that it sucks.

Dude the effect is that you can't plan against it as said map control actually doesn't matter with smokes and core heroes has to play hide and seek all the time because of it.


You should look into this game called league of legends. The lanes there are all boring farm fests like you seem to want.

Lol it's like you are the one who wants to turn dota into league.
this is a quote
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6142
On July 21 2014 10:17 Plansix wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:14 Iceman331 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:11 goody153 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:10 lolnoty wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:06 oniman999 wrote:
Anyone else think smoke could use a nerf? The finals is two hyper aggressive, early game, smoke heavy teams. They draft push, use smoke to get a guaranteed kill or two, and then have the space for ez towers.

I've hated the smoke/sentry changes forever. So did Alliance, and I remember an interview where they said they were struggling because control of map vision didn't pay off as much anymore because you could just yolo smoke past good ward control.

Yeah smoke change sucks . It's unstoppable. Sure it allows comebacks which is great for watching but i think it's stupid.

I just want there to be fewer of them in the early game. The supply does not run out fast enough so supports can just yolo past wards.


Are you fucking serious? Smokes promote activity. If you didn't have smoke, supports would sit around doing nothing because it would be impossible to gank. Activity in the game is a good thing.

Its kinda trash. I like my action packed dota, but there is almost zero risk to smokes right now. I just want there to be a way to scout it out without having to be within 1000 of the hero.

Exactly. Action is good, but you can get that from drafts and item pick-ups. 100 gold is just way to cheap for what the item does. Either give it another way to be scouted out, or buff the cost.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6143
On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?


cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell.

Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought.
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ManicMarine
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia409 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6144
What does the preshow tomorrow consist of? I need to decide if I want to get up at 2am to watch it or just sleep til 5am for the grand finals.
Manic by name, Manic by nature.
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6145
those last closing words pretty much sum up the hype of the grand finals. no one could say anything except "yep...i sure am excited for those finals lol...wonder who will get the aegis"

Like, this isn't the worst matchup for the grand finals but it has neither good story nor flashy teams.

Only semblance of a story I can put together is that VG a bit of an underdog to make it to grand finals.
And rOtk is someone who gives personality to the team.

Newbee is literally just a slightly better tongfu, rebanding in time for TI to get a chunk of the prize money. xiao8 jumped off that lgd boat to get his fingers wet in the money as well



You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6146
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6147
On July 21 2014 10:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:18 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:16 kirsed wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote:
The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch.

LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china."


Wow you're actually an idiot. Na'Vi has the biggest fan base of all western teams and probably the biggest fan base of any team. People who watch dota for TI usually only root for Na'Vi it's just natural. I like Na'Vi took pretty much everyone does that's my point if you're too retarded to see my point then I don't know what to say.

So you'll stop talking? Mission accomplished.

can you shut up actually im pretty sure you're being the instigator here


Yeah I would second this.

I'm not sure exactly where the salt came from but you're the one being the ass.

He's absolutely correct. For some reason you've read "casual players like navi" and translated it to "all navi fans are casuals ahahahahahahah navi fans suck wooo go china" and then gone on a rant. This is on you.

Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6148
Remember

WriterXiao8~~
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6149
On July 21 2014 10:20 Sabu113 wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:18 IcedBacon wrote:
Embarassing for the Dota community to see how many people are bitching about the finals now.


Wouldn't feel guilty bitching about 2 Italian teams in the CL final.

Yea but that won't ever happen in the next 10+ years
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-21 01:24:08
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6150
On July 21 2014 10:21 Ultimo Hombre wrote:
Are u srs? I go to take out the trash and its over? Oh well Gj VG :D

VG did the same.

Oh well, that was a bit too mean, grats to EG for a great run.
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6151
TI 5 confirmed for east vs west bracket!
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6152
On July 21 2014 10:22 wuhan_clan wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:19 icystorage wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:19 Suffo wrote:
I don't get why they didnt have games on thursday so finals would be on Sunday... makes no sense to me.

maybe they cant book the thurs -> sun sked


I think they could have made it a three day event though. I really worry for the viewer count... I dunno, just seeing an 11 million prize pool and only 400k~ watching is a bit underwhelming to me.


If you are going to let viewership dictate how you enjoy the Grand Finals, then don't watch like all the other casuals.
You guys won't be missed.


If you want all casuals to leave, Dota 2 pro scene will be gone in a couple months.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
July 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#6153
So many so fucking salty on china vs china.
DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6154
On July 21 2014 10:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 10:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote:
The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch.

LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china."

lol, he is right though.

You can't be right with personal opinions. And anyone who uses "casuals" in their argument is just a hipster tryhard.


What the fuck is a "hipster casual"

And why are you guys even arguing with him.
Go pro or die trying
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6155
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PotatoFury
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines705 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6156
On July 21 2014 10:21 kaztah wrote:
of course people will whine right after their teams went out. Doesn't matter though, tomorrow will be top notch dota.

Most people are somehow still in the "chinese dota 60 minute farm fest" stereotype, even if vg just won like half their games in less than 20 minutes.

At this point I dont think that stereotype is ever going away, since all it needs is just one 60 min game every few months and people will still believe in the stereotype.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6157
On July 21 2014 10:23 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?


cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell.

Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought.

I like your signature
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6158
On July 21 2014 10:13 Masamune wrote:
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On July 21 2014 10:10 shizaep wrote:
well thats fucking awful


finals are anticlimactic now, two chinese teams, neither of which are fan favorites exactly

i highly doubt that vici will win a bo5 doing the same shit that they've been doing (which is literally only one fucking thing) I really feel like EG should have beat that. It's definitely hard to draft against, I'll agree

I was really hoping newbee won't win this TI. xiao8 disbanded lgd just to get in on some of this easy ti money. and not to mention the whole controversy with them boycotting DK. Literally the WORST team, even worse than iG.

Like I said before, ESPN will never take a risk of airing any esports again because all the "teens" that would be watching the final anyway, like some other poster stated, will be watching from their computers. A lot of the likeable teams with a storyline are out

Really sad about EG being out. Wish Alliance would have been in as well to add some chance of a western team in the final



OHOHOHOH YES YES THIS !!!

the prophecy of west = foreginers is going full

in SC2 : Koreans has no personality no fun
but they win and win and win and win and win
and personality or background story cant save foreigners

and now this tasty tear of "no team with background story" rise again
TO THE WEST WE MARCH !!!
Personality or background story we kill, money we take !!!
-Terran-
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6159
On July 21 2014 10:22 Iceman331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 10:19 goody153 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:14 Iceman331 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:11 goody153 wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:10 lolnoty wrote:
On July 21 2014 10:06 oniman999 wrote:
Anyone else think smoke could use a nerf? The finals is two hyper aggressive, early game, smoke heavy teams. They draft push, use smoke to get a guaranteed kill or two, and then have the space for ez towers.

I've hated the smoke/sentry changes forever. So did Alliance, and I remember an interview where they said they were struggling because control of map vision didn't pay off as much anymore because you could just yolo smoke past good ward control.

Yeah smoke change sucks . It's unstoppable. Sure it allows comebacks which is great for watching but i think it's stupid.

I just want there to be fewer of them in the early game. The supply does not run out fast enough so supports can just yolo past wards.


Are you fucking serious? Smokes promote activity. If you didn't have smoke, supports would sit around doing nothing because it would be impossible to gank. Activity in the game is a good thing.

Of course it promotes activity that's why it's great for watching. And i like it during mid-lategames. It's great it allows comebacks . It's just the early game that it sucks.

Dude the effect is that you can't plan against it as said map control actually doesn't matter with smokes and core heroes has to play hide and seek all the time because of it.


You should look into this game called league of legends. The lanes there are all boring farm fests like you seem to want.

I think we can find a middle ground where people can have slightly safer lanes lanes. Or just have smoke on a slightly longer timer so people can know "Ok, that smoke gank failed and I am safe for BLANK" amount of time.
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HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
July 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#6160
I think a lot of ppl will still watch the finals but there won't be much hype. Like when universe got those insane chrono's I was going nuts, but if some player on VG or Newbee do the same thing tomorrow it will just be meh. Both teams are aggro and hopefully Newbee wont concede every tower and then try to fight like EG did so it should be a close series.
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