On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote: people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?
cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell.
Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought.
Except its not all the time. In fact, there has never been a pure Chinese finals EVER in any internationally attended Dota 2 tournament.
On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote: The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch.
LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china."
lol, he is right though.
You can't be right with personal opinions. And anyone who uses "casuals" in their argument is just a hipster tryhard.
On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote: The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch.
LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china."
Wow you're actually an idiot. Na'Vi has the biggest fan base of all western teams and probably the biggest fan base of any team. People who watch dota for TI usually only root for Na'Vi it's just natural. I like Na'Vi took pretty much everyone does that's my point if you're too retarded to see my point then I don't know what to say.
So you'll stop talking? Mission accomplished.
can you shut up actually im pretty sure you're being the instigator here
Says the kid who used the phrase casuals in his argument, like that's not a pejorative or anything.
seriously plansix you're a pretty inflammatory poster, take it to PMs if you must
It's pretty clear that it's the two currently best teams in the final.
Newbee didn't lose a single match after group stage.
VG dominated the group stage and only lost to Newbee in playoffs/main event.
There's even some likeable players in the final like rotk instead of just a bunch of faceless Chinese players and I think we have potential for some great matches tomorrow.
I rather see the highest level of DotA currently available than see white kids play, why is that so important.
Based on the past couple of days both teams absolutely deserve the finals spot, neither DK or EG were really able to compete so I don't know why anyone would expect it to be more exciting were one of those two involved - we'd just get more <20 minute gg's.
TI1 = east vs west TI2 = east vs west TI3 = west vs west TI4 = east vs east
Seems alright to me. Everyone got their turns.
Anyway dota 2 is made of so many different communities anyway. Can't please everyone all the time. Some vocal minorities being upset and loud because they can't relate to VG or Newbee won't matter much in the bigger scheme of things.
On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote: people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?
cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell.
Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought.
Except its not all the time. In fact, there has never been a pure Chinese finals EVER in any internationally attended Dota 2 tournament.
But it feels closer and closer to happening is the point. In the last 8 months, chinese Dota has got a lot better relative to the competition.
On July 21 2014 10:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Friendly reminder guys:
TI2 finals were 4 stomps in a row with an one hour prolonged death animation in the end. Ti3 finals were 4 TERRIBLE stomps, and final close game. Just because NaVi made there doesn't make those finals any shitter than they were, don't kid youself. VG vs NB were the closest playoff series we got, it has high chances to be best Bo5 series of entire year.
TI2 finals pretty accurate. TI3 I actually enjoyed the 4th game because of the Night Stalker pick and Alliance were actually behind before they turned around that fight near Dire bot 2nd tier tower.
On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote: The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch.
LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china."
lol, he is right though.
You can't be right with personal opinions. And anyone who uses "casuals" in their argument is just a hipster tryhard.
only casuals would call someone a hipster tryhard.
And the argument has reached is naturally conclusion. We can all rest now.
On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote: people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?
cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell.
Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought.
So how do you expect things to change from pure Chinese or Koreans? The Western side has to push harder rather than expecting the Asians to surrender their livelihoods. Besides how often have we seen Chinese vs Chinese finals in Dota other than the Chinese leagues?
On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote: people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"?
I'm just not very excited for the 5 man deathballs that will inevitably be the entire series. I also hate Newbee with a passion.
why? because of alleged xenophobia that was based on very weak evidence?
didn't iceiceice himself say that other chinese teams didn't like to scrim against DK leading up to TI4 because it felt like DK was just scouting other teams while doing joke drafts themselves like mid huskar etc.?
everyone in nB bar xiao8 is absolutely fantastic individual player and even the director makes up for it with his leadership
hao is pretty much the chinese XBOCT (at times over-aggressive carry player that likes to go YOLO, very unique for chinese dota scene) and people still hate them because of some petty shit
it's pretty sad
almost as sad as people disliking "rat dota" because for some reason right clicking heroes is so much more spectacular than right clicking towers
On July 21 2014 10:12 i99 wrote: worst ti ever.. format is so garbage. games are so boring same heroes every game
Are you serious?
Yeah if anyone thinks that they're just butthurt their fav team lost.
nope. the format is just completely awful. playing half of a bo3 one day and finish another is just LOL. the actual production of the show is meh nothing super amazing, (not a fan of bruno , sheever, 2gd ), having the grand finalist known days before the actual final is just stupid. Tobi + LUMI ( out of synd, merlini, Ld etc) for some reason for finals casting. I literally slept through half the international because it wasn't exciting for me to get up on time. Don't really feel the same hype as I did last year, and not sure if I'll even watch the finals.
EPT
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