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On July 21 2014 10:24 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:23 Seraphic wrote:On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"? cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell. Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought. Time for western teams to stop being lazy then. dont blame the chinese.
Western teams can easily go head to head with any chinese team on a good day. Last TI the chinese got wrecked by Na'Vi and especially Alliance and the chinese community flipped their shit afterwards. This TI VG and Newbee have proven to be on a roll. Doesn't mean chinese dota will dominate the next 10 years.
I don't know why you guys are so afraid of that happening. There were always periods where chinese dota was superior to the western. As was the opposite.
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So much salt and people whining about smoke seriously?
Icefrog wanted to make the game more active early and not make boringfest games that Dota in the past was known for.
That was the purpose of smoke which is ganking and making stuffs happening.
I rather see active supports roaming trying to get kills than passive supports.
EG clearly was playing for the late game and they got punished hard for it.
RTZ going midas when VG was about to push tier 3.
It was good that VG punished that.
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On July 21 2014 10:24 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:23 Seraphic wrote:On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"? cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell. Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought. Time for western teams to stop being lazy then. dont blame the chinese.
I don't think western teams are really lazy. I think they are preparing well. It's just that chinese are flat out better.
Of course people watch dota 2 for good dota. Sure. But part of the enjoyment are the story line and the hype. If dota 2 somehow turns into somewhat like SC2 or BW where koreans rule. It doesn't sound good. Any chinese vs NA/EU/SEA will be so anticlimactic since you already know that the chinese will almost never lose IF that was the case.
Remember WCG ? the korean tournaments were 10x more brutal than WCG global. I don't really like the global competition level to be lesser than a national competition like what happened in BW.
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On July 21 2014 10:27 Count9 wrote:
TI 1 4 west 4 east
TI 2 1 west 7 east
TI 3 4 west 4 east
TI 4 3 west 5 east
Complain about the Chinese invasion when it actually happens ty.
I'm honestly much more worried about SEA. They only have the 4 guys from Titan holding them up 
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On July 21 2014 10:25 dtz wrote:
TI1 = east vs west
TI2 = east vs west
TI3 = west vs west
TI4 = east vs east
Seems alright to me. Everyone got their turns.
Anyway dota 2 is made of so many different communities anyway. Can't please everyone all the time.
Some vocal minorities being upset and loud because they can't relate to VG or Newbee won't matter much in the bigger scheme of things.
Hmmm thats a nice reminder. I like also like how the aegis keeps on flipping from one side of the world to the other.
TI1 - West, T2- East, T3-West. T4-East
I personally enjoy the balance that TI seems to bring in the grand scheme of things. Also its been a new champ every single year.
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On July 21 2014 10:27 blobrus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:26 iv~nk~j wrote:On July 21 2014 10:22 blobrus wrote:On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"? I'm just not very excited for the 5 man deathballs that will inevitably be the entire series. I also hate Newbee with a passion. why? because of alleged xenophobia that was based on very weak evidence? didn't iceiceice himself say that other chinese teams didn't like to scrim against DK leading up to TI4 because it felt like DK was just scouting other teams while doing joke drafts themselves like mid huskar etc.? everyone in nB bar xiao8 is absolutely fantastic individual player and even the director makes up for it with his leadership hao is pretty much the chinese XBOCT (at times over-aggressive carry player that likes to go YOLO, very unique for chinese dota scene) and people still hate them because of some petty shit it's pretty sad almost as sad as people disliking "rat dota" because for some reason right clicking heroes is so much more spectacular than right clicking towers I literally said nothing about any of my reasons, I just said I hate them. Don't pull words out of my mouth.
thats why i posed it all in the form of a question
so that you can answer it yourself
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On July 21 2014 10:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:27 Count9 wrote:
TI 1 4 west 4 east
TI 2 1 west 7 east
TI 3 4 west 4 east
TI 4 3 west 5 east
Complain about the Chinese invasion when it actually happens ty. I'm honestly much more worried about SEA. They only have the 4 guys from Titan holding them up
should get mushi and ice and maybe chuan back
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On July 21 2014 10:27 Leyra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:26 blobrus wrote:
At least Rotk is a cool dude so I'll cheer for Vici despite my hatred of their style. This is kinda where I'm at. Not a personal fan of Newbee's personalities, but Vici's style is absolutely atrocious to watch, IMO. It's like watching a 4gate every game
I agree completely.
4 gate all in all game every game. I actually miss Pl while watching VG play
Icefrog needs to massively buff anti_push heroes like kotl
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On July 21 2014 10:29 Noya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:26 blobrus wrote:
At least Rotk is a cool dude so I'll cheer for Vici despite my hatred of their style. same here. I hope we get something new apart from heavy push vs heavy push tho
Even tho Vici favors push, I don't see why they should be blame. Especially against EG. The gold flow these days it's absurd and you can push much faster then before.
Not to mention this style works perfectly against EG, because mason and RTZ need ton of time to farm. Vici saw that and they press hard not to allow Zai and Universe to carry the team as always and won.
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On July 21 2014 10:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:27 Count9 wrote:
TI 1 4 west 4 east
TI 2 1 west 7 east
TI 3 4 west 4 east
TI 4 3 west 5 east
Complain about the Chinese invasion when it actually happens ty. I'm honestly much more worried about SEA. They only have the 4 guys from Titan holding them up
i see you have yet to feel the
PINOY PRIDE
MINESKI AND EXECRATION
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On July 21 2014 10:28 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On July 21 2014 10:18 Plansix wrote:On July 21 2014 10:16 kirsed wrote:On July 21 2014 10:13 Plansix wrote:On July 21 2014 10:11 kirsed wrote:
The reason that there is a lack of hype for grand finals from the west is literally that Na'vi isn't there and casuals don't have anyone to watch. LoL, dota hipster sighted. "Na'Vi is to main stream for me. Casuals cheer for them and EG. True dota fans love china." Wow you're actually an idiot. Na'Vi has the biggest fan base of all western teams and probably the biggest fan base of any team. People who watch dota for TI usually only root for Na'Vi it's just natural. I like Na'Vi took pretty much everyone does that's my point if you're too retarded to see my point then I don't know what to say. So you'll stop talking? Mission accomplished. can you shut up actually im pretty sure you're being the instigator here Plansix the Instigator  . Don't worry about it Plan, some people don't like that there is no foreign team in the finals and some people don't like that some people don't like that there is no foreign team in the finals. You can't stop the useless flamewar. By the way, was my usage of "foreign" correct?
I don't really know any more. I just like how the argument has progresses from
"Damn it, why did EU or NA have a team in the finals."
which is followed by:
"You racist"
And then moved to:
"Casuals have no one to cheer for"
And has now moved to:
"Why do people hate china?" or "The format sucks"
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On July 21 2014 10:30 zeru wrote:
this must be the first time i see people complain about a team because they have a super aggressive playstyle.
rule of the universe, people will always find something to complain about
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On July 21 2014 10:29 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:28 Vertical wrote:On July 21 2014 10:24 HotGlueGun wrote:
I think a lot of ppl will still watch the finals but there won't be much hype. Like when universe got those insane chrono's I was going nuts, but if some player on VG or Newbee do the same thing tomorrow it will just be meh. Both teams are aggro and hopefully Newbee wont concede every tower and then try to fight like EG did so it should be a close series. thats because youre EG fan as VG supporter i like how every leshrac stun hits causes western fans cry srsly dont blame china vs china blame the FOREIGNERS for not able to compete just like SC2, LOLOLOLOLOLOL you had a really cogent argument until you capped it off with "LOLOLOL" >.>
LOLOLOLOL
how couldnt I, the number of foreigners tear in this thread is making me lose control
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On July 21 2014 10:30 zeru wrote:
this must be the first time i see people complain about a team because they have a super aggressive playstyle.
I dunno most people write off random CIS tournaments even between top teams and they're very aggressive.
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I wonder if the Chinese were so salty last year as well.
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On July 21 2014 10:30 zeru wrote:
this must be the first time i see people complain about a team because they have a super aggressive playstyle.
people are just upset when the same strategy works over and over again.
also, a china vs china finals obviously isn't as hype as an east vs west finals, but at least do the tourney some respect and watch it >_>
On July 21 2014 10:32 krutopatkin wrote:
I wonder if the Chinese were so salty last year as well.
they knew they were behind in terms of meta and tourney practice, blamed it on ACE for so few tourneys and stuff.
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On July 21 2014 10:26 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2014 10:24 wuhan_clan wrote:On July 21 2014 10:23 Seraphic wrote:On July 21 2014 10:20 Garrl wrote:
people are SERIOUSLY complaining about a vici newbee finals? The two teams that have clearly proven themselves to be the best - newbee fought all the way from elimination to the grand finals without dropping a set and vici being #1 in pools. All because of "WELL THEYRE CHINESE"? cuz of how SC2 has turned into. Pure Koreans for finals every tournament is boring as hell. Just the thought of it happening in DotA 2 with pure Chinese teams all the time is not a good thought. Except its not all the time. In fact, there has never been a pure Chinese finals EVER in any internationally attended Dota 2 tournament. But it feels closer and closer to happening is the point. In the last 8 months, chinese Dota has got a lot better relative to the competition.
This was exactly the same situation post-TI2, when Na'Vi were seen as the only hope for the West. But Dota is an incredibly difficult game to consistently dominate in because of the way the meta changes and teams constantly outdraft each other and strategize. You just can't compare this to SC2 where the meta is fairly set in stone between expansions and players rely on their individual mechanical skill to win. Koreans can dominate SC2 because of the focus on individual development, which can be achieved through pouring resources into teamhouses, practices, and coaching. The Chinese had all of the resources before TI3 and it didn't do them any good, how is it any different here? Once teams figure out Vici and Newbee they will fall, just like Alliance, iG, Na'Vi, LGD.cn, and the other teams who've sat at the top of several power rankings for extended periods of time.
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I'm really happy EG lost and C9 too i really dislike that style of farm everywhere dota and avoiding fights.
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On July 21 2014 10:30 FakeDeath wrote:
So much salt and people whining about smoke seriously?
Icefrog wanted to make the game more active early and not make boringfest games that Dota in the past was known for.
That was the purpose of smoke which is ganking and making stuffs happening.
I rather see active supports roaming trying to get kills than passive supports.
EG clearly was playing for the late game and they got punished hard for it.
RTZ going midas when VG was about to push tier 3.
It was good that VG punished that.
C9 actually had really good drafts and play against VG's style, it's definitely not all about smoke. But they're C9 and newton's 3rd law of C9 clearly says for every good decision and play C9 make an equally terrible decision and play must occur at a later time.
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