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Please do not continue this racism malarkey. It will be treated as a meme from now on (page 253 onwards). | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:08 Galtakar wrote: Depends on the hero and what time of the game you are in. A far lower need than sc2, yes, but there are a few heroes that can be a bit annoying to learn well. It is much less, that's why it can be really hard to say who is a really good player vs a good player in Dota 2, especially after only see them play a dozen games. But I always feel like mechanically, the laning stage in a mid-match up, is one of the best displays of it, especially when it comes to being able to last hit underneath your tower, and not missing CS when you have little damage. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:05 FiWiFaKi wrote: Maybe I have a different way I look at the game, but that's how I've seen it when I play. Movement and item builds/skill builds is more strategic, and teamfight execution + CS'ing is the mechanical skill. I don't really think that's flawed logic. Coming from a SC background, my last hitting is really good, but I am not good at correct movement, knowing when to gank etc... And SC(BW especially) being a mechanical game, I would think the mechanical skill transfers over more than anything. SC and MobA are 2 very different beasts in game. Yao did perfect that game. His sun strikes where on point almost all of the time. Him missing CS means nothing at all if he hits his sun strikes which he did. Your logic is off base from the start if you believe Yao is bad just from CS. Did you watch his PoV? Did you stay on his view the whole time? If you didn't and accuse him of such you need to stop now. | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:08 Nymzee wrote: i bet about $400 of stuff on IG ... holy shit am i about to lose everything LOL Why the fuck would you even bet at all on IG with odds like they are? Dota is way too unpredictable for it to be worth betting high amounts just to get some scraps | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
always hate to see teams jsut try and outgreed dp tahts not how it works | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
That's like if sc2 games were decided at the race pick screen if someone picked say.... Protoss. Just an inconceivable and unimaginable thought to me. | ||
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Mouzone
3937 Posts
... holy shit am i about to win $0.17 LOL | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 Seraphic wrote: SC and MobA are 2 very different beasts in game. Yao did perfect that game. His sun strikes where on point almost all of the time. Him missing CS means nothing at all if he hits his sun strikes which he did. Your logic is off base from the start if you believe Yao is bad just from CS. Did you watch his PoV? Did you stay on his view the whole time? If you didn't and accuse him of such you need to stop now. No really, he is better than 430, you should all listen to him. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 Seraphic wrote: SC and MobA are 2 very different beasts in game. Yao did perfect that game. His sun strikes where on point almost all of the time. Him missing CS means nothing at all if he hits his sun strikes which he did. Your logic is off base from the start if you believe Yao is bad just from CS. Did you watch his PoV? Did you stay on his view the whole time? If you didn't and accuse him of such you need to stop now. even his camera view might not show everything, because he is the captain and might also be trying to look around and make calls while playing mid which is pretty rough | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:13 Mouzone wrote: i bet about $0.04 of stuff on LGD ... holy shit am i about to win $0.17 LOL should share the wealth with all of us. we could party all night. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 Canucklehead wrote: As a dota newbee the one thing I don't get is when people say the game was won or lost at the draft. If the draft is so important why even play the games? Just seems weird and op to me. Nerf the draft. That's like if sc2 games were decided at the race pick screen if someone picked say.... Protoss. Just an inconceivable and unimaginable thought to me. Drafting is part of the game. So is laning arrangement. Fans obviously overreact about how "lost" games are from the draft. SC2 games are decided sometimes in the BO are they not? That's more like what drafting is. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 Seraphic wrote: SC and MobA are 2 very different beasts in game. Yao did perfect that game. His sun strikes where on point almost all of the time. Him missing CS means nothing at all if he hits his sun strikes which he did. Your logic is off base from the start if you believe Yao is bad just from CS. Did you watch his PoV? Did you stay on his view the whole time? If you didn't and accuse him of such you need to stop now. I accused Ferrari, because I watched him. I never said Yao did bad. Sure he lost the CS war, but that depends on the match-up, and like you said, he did a lot otherwise. It's just when players miss the CS they simply shouldn't (in their lane alone, the creep wave in by their tower, etc), that when they miss CS I get disappointed, and I consider that the mechanical skill. That's what I saw Ferrari do quite a bit, so I said something. Maybe I have unrealistic expectations. | ||
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Galtakar
Sweden374 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 Canucklehead wrote: As a dota newbee the one thing I don't get is when people say the game was won or lost at the draft. If the draft is so important why even play the games? Just seems weird and op to me. Nerf the draft. That's like if sc2 games were decided at the race pick screen if someone picked say.... Protoss. Just an inconceivable and unimaginable thought to me. Expectations. Nothing else. We saw c9 stomp Na'vi with a somewhat weird lineup. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
He sounded like top player to me. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:07 Numy wrote: Mechanics are less important yes. A lot of dota comes down to experience and strategic moves. The different between amazing mechanics and good mechanics doesn't mean as much as the difference between the other aspects. I think amazing mechanics are important to a certain degree. Like if you can silence brewmaster consistently with skywrath i consider it amazing mechanics and it can make games a lot easier(just an example) But yeah you can win a lot of dota games with just some good strategic knowledge and okay mechanics | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
okay boys, there's some hope | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:12 pellejohnson wrote: Why the fuck would you even bet at all on IG with odds like they are? Dota is way too unpredictable for it to be worth betting high amounts just to get some scraps I'm always betting on the underdog with odds under 20%, no matter who plays. | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:14 FiWiFaKi wrote: I accused Ferrari, because I watched him. I never said Yao did bad. Sure he lost the CS war, but that depends on the match-up, and like you said, he did a lot otherwise. It's just when players miss the CS they simply shouldn't (in their lane alone, the creep wave in by their tower, etc), that when they miss CS I get disappointed, and I consider that the mechanical skill. It's fine, we get it, you are better than 430. Can we move on now? | ||
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