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On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:38 lolnoty wrote:
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they are insanely useful. a tower isn't a structure there to do damage, it's there as a TP beacon. It's purpose is zone control. I know, just man... Seeing Newbee run away with that game like that, just super crazy quick. You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback.
So you've watched basically no dota.
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I'm really confused by this VG draft again. :/
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On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I know, just man... Seeing Newbee run away with that game like that, just super crazy quick. You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota.
I'm new, what are you trying to say?
Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole.
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On July 19 2014 02:54 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:53 h0munkulus wrote:
hmm, pod cams still offline. wonder if they have technical problems or if the players lobbied to not have them on... They said that there wouldn't be sound but it seemed implied we would still get video but as you said we have nothing. If it's an issue it will be fixed after this bo3. So if there's no cam for the next match then it's likely just not going to happen.
I think they'll use them though.
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On July 19 2014 02:53 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:52 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:51 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:50 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 SKC wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. 10-0 in 15 minutes is absurdly huge. Teams that are getting curbstomped don't come back. That isn't surprising. Why are we having a super cereal conversation about Nahaz stats. 30% of the time when conversations are had about Nahaz stats on a full moon it's super serious. You should send an application for stat man at joindota. I'm overqualified.
COO of Statistics.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Lvl1 Rosh or Rosh mindgame inc.
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did they mention the possibility of sylar prophet?
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On July 19 2014 02:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:
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You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. I dunno, I thought it was an absurd stat, and it surprised me too. But I've watched all the big tournaments since February this year, and haven't seen that big of a comeback. So you've watched basically no dota. I'm new, what are you trying to say? Watching 300-400+ games is not no Dota. No need to be an elitist asshole.
I'm not being elistest. You said that you've never seen it before which doesn't mean much if you are new to dota. You're the one that brought up how much dota you've watched when it doesn't really matter.
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wtf VG this line-up .....
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On July 19 2014 02:55 juff wrote:
did they mention the possibility of sylar prophet?
Yes.
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I feel like the Draft reserve time has been telling us everything we need to know about this match-up. Newbee is just so smooth and strong in their drafting here and it seems like VG is just completely rattled by it.
Both games VG has burned all of their reserve time compared to almost the full duration for Newbee.
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On July 19 2014 02:55 fixed_point wrote:
Bat 5th pick now eh.
Jungle bat even.
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On July 19 2014 02:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 02:51 Orome wrote:On July 19 2014 02:49 teapoted wrote:On July 19 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:46 solidbebe wrote:On July 19 2014 02:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:41 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 19 2014 02:40 kirsed wrote:On July 19 2014 02:39 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I know, just man... Seeing Newbee run away with that game like that, just super crazy quick. You should be allowed to all in. I don't want a riot approved meta. What do you mean? I mean that it's a good thing that games can end like this. I suppose. It just feels like a lead of 5 kills has a 90%~ guarantee of winning the game with the current metagame. It's just a complete snowballing advantage. Don't like the idea of the entire game being decided by one first blood as some people in this thread are putting it. Very often you see games where one side takes a 9 - 0 lead and the game ends up evening out later. Early game kills dont matter all that much. This game was a draft win Apparently a team has never come back from a defecit of 10-0 before the 15 minute mark in the history of Dota, and a team has never come back from a 4 tour deficit at the 15 minute mark either. That was some statistic said at either the Summit, ESL One, or Dreamhack. That was probably a short term stat, like on a particular patch. It has certainly happened if we're counting all of Dota. Those stats are also always skewed because a better team will almost never go 0-10 vs a worse team. The vast majority of the time, if a team is up 10-0, they were heavily favoured to begin with. If you took those replays and replayed them with top teams on the 0-10 side, I'm sure they'd turn some of them around. I know it makes sense. I'm just saying, wouldn't you think this would happen at least a couple times in the history of Dota? I'm not basing my argument on that.
http://www.datdota.com/win_expectancy.php?patch=0&type=4
This already shows that 4 tower advantage does not expect a 100% win rate at 15 minutes. Just at 5, which is a bit absurd.
Your stats are simply wrong, obviously there have been 0-10 comebacks in the history of Dota. Noone even has acess to stats from the whole history of Dota to make that statement.
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jungle bat?
i dont get the sd pick
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On July 19 2014 02:55 lolfail9001 wrote:
Lvl1 Rosh or Rosh mindgame inc.
They won't lvl 1 Rosh on Radiant versus a Batrider man
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EPT
