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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#10201
As long as dendi realizes that he came off as an ass then I am not bothered by his behavior really.

If he doesn't learn then that is different :/
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
July 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#10202
On July 10 2013 03:55 bardtown wrote:
Disgusting reaction lol. Dendi is getting death threats and sick insults for that. Defending your culture by presenting it in a horrible light, stay classy Chinese fans.


Right...

Because the equivalent of twitter in China represents the whole country...
Please, if you think harder I bet you could come up with better arguments.

For reference see past sport events where the US faced Japan, you'll see the same kind of people but in different countries.

If you're from the UK you'll just find the same when the Olympics happened.
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
July 09 2013 20:16 GMT
#10203
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.)


Yes, Soon(TM).

Although it's possible to do LAN with some modding now, nothing official yet.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#10204
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.
Once you Goblak...
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
July 09 2013 20:25 GMT
#10205
On July 10 2013 03:55 bardtown wrote:
Disgusting reaction lol. Dendi is getting death threats and sick insults for that. Defending your culture by presenting it in a horrible light, stay classy Chinese fans.

Yes because the "western" scene has proven themselves to be the exact same shit heads:

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/15ufwc/dendi_and_his_premade_griefing_pubs/

There are idiots everywhere. Especially on reddit.
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
July 09 2013 20:27 GMT
#10206
On July 10 2013 04:29 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it was no big deal, do tell me why Dendi's Chinese fans reacted so aggressively. Do tell me why pros such as Chuan and Zhou essentially said, "Do you know what you just said?" Do tell me why Xiao8's ex-gf is receiving a lot of flak at the moment for Dendi's comment. Anyways, Na'Vi has already apologized so no need for further discussion.

when did zhou ask that? only seen chuan ask it. just curious.


On July 10 2013 04:58 Seraphic wrote:
It is but at the same time I don't think everyone in China will just start hating Dendi from now on. Yes his reputation took a hit, but ChuaN jumped to his defense asking why he said it right after the game. It will probably take awhile for Dendi to get his reputation back but eventually he will.

Especially when he most probably didn't know what he said. He apologized fast, xiao8 accepted. What's done is done. Ruru also voiced her opinion, so this really isn't just Dendi. It really comes down to xiao8's break-up with his ex which kind of spilled over.

The break-up is apparently pretty huge in China so.

who's Ruru?
hey man just curious
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 09 2013 20:28 GMT
#10207
On July 10 2013 05:27 Levistus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 04:29 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it was no big deal, do tell me why Dendi's Chinese fans reacted so aggressively. Do tell me why pros such as Chuan and Zhou essentially said, "Do you know what you just said?" Do tell me why Xiao8's ex-gf is receiving a lot of flak at the moment for Dendi's comment. Anyways, Na'Vi has already apologized so no need for further discussion.

when did zhou ask that? only seen chuan ask it. just curious.


Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 04:58 Seraphic wrote:
It is but at the same time I don't think everyone in China will just start hating Dendi from now on. Yes his reputation took a hit, but ChuaN jumped to his defense asking why he said it right after the game. It will probably take awhile for Dendi to get his reputation back but eventually he will.

Especially when he most probably didn't know what he said. He apologized fast, xiao8 accepted. What's done is done. Ruru also voiced her opinion, so this really isn't just Dendi. It really comes down to xiao8's break-up with his ex which kind of spilled over.

The break-up is apparently pretty huge in China so.

who's Ruru?
Ruru is LGD manager.
Once you Goblak...
gLhF.Revere
Profile Joined September 2012
978 Posts
July 09 2013 20:39 GMT
#10208
On July 10 2013 05:27 Levistus wrote:

when did zhou ask that? only seen chuan ask it. just curious.



http://t.qq.com/p/t/296267088048640
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
July 09 2013 20:42 GMT
#10209
thanks guys.
hey man just curious
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:54:53
July 09 2013 20:49 GMT
#10210
On July 10 2013 05:21 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.



BO2 does. It's MLG's history of it. SC2 and LoL can be ignored mainly because of the game itself. Most games prior to SC2 and LoL, MLG prioritized LAN and Developer support.

Edit: Aside from SC2 and LoL. Almost all of the games before that, MLG had chosen games with LAN support. All of their fighting games, all of the Halo games they have had. CoD 4. Every game before SC2 and LoL had LAN. Sundance made sure they picked up a game with LAN.

Obviously SC2 and LoL are big enough with a lot of dev support that they ignored the lack of LAN. Games are too popular to ignore.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 09 2013 20:51 GMT
#10211
On July 10 2013 05:04 Crytash wrote:
Yes. My point, that it adds entertainment value still stands though, same as the posibility that this is completly staged. Who knows what realy happend

Trash talk only adds "entertainment" at the point where it's still socially acceptable. In the West where this line is drawn tends to actually be pretty far, and we rarely see people go up against that line, but bear in mind that it's not the same in Eastern sports/games.

There's a reason that winner's interviews and such with Asian players often seem to sound more sugar-coated to Westerners. The amount of trash talk/shit-flinging that's socially acceptable for a player to make is less than it is in the West.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:56:59
July 09 2013 20:56 GMT
#10212
On July 10 2013 05:49 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:21 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.



BO2 does. It's MLG's history of it. SC2 and LoL can be ignored mainly because of the game itself. Most games prior to SC2 and LoL, MLG prioritized LAN and Developer support.
Virtually every PC multiplayer game before that time had Lan.

Seriously now, Lan has nothing to do with it.

MLG prioritizes money. They don't run any games currently which they haven't gotten direct funding from the developer for at some time.
Once you Goblak...
Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
July 09 2013 20:58 GMT
#10213
Are VoDs up?
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:04:11
July 09 2013 21:02 GMT
#10214
On July 10 2013 05:56 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:49 Seraphic wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:21 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.



BO2 does. It's MLG's history of it. SC2 and LoL can be ignored mainly because of the game itself. Most games prior to SC2 and LoL, MLG prioritized LAN and Developer support.
Virtually every PC multiplayer game before that time had Lan.

Seriously now, Lan has nothing to do with it.

MLG prioritizes money. They don't run any games currently which they haven't gotten direct funding from the developer for.


MLG does, that's only have started when they got more and more attention.

When MLG first started, it was small, Halo only event. That didn't change all the way up until half way into Halo 2 or so. That kept on going until Halo 3 when Sundance became CEO and they started expanding into other games by picking up LoL and SC2.

MLG dropped Halo Reach when they realized the game had no support, and they weren't getting things they were asking for. They didn't pick up MW3 either because, no LAN, lack of support from IW. Nor did they pick up GoW 3. While GoW 3 had dev support, it was beaten out by another game (I don't remember what it was but it didn't go anywhere.)

I don't like to sound cocky but I know MLG. Sundance had said it time and time again before, MLG looks for certain things in the games they want.

This has obviously changed recently because of how big MLG had become, but the basics hasn't changed. Sundance will always be Sundance, he created MLG with a buddy and now he is CEO. Your views on how you run a business won't change so drastically because of it.

I don't see them picking up DotA 2 because as someone said already, they keep talking about it but never do anything actually to show interest aside from some tweets here and there.
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Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:08:34
July 09 2013 21:06 GMT
#10215
Besides, look at how Valve does things.

It's not foreign that Valve really has an off hand approach to DotA 2 (aside from TI3.) They know it's up to the fans to make a game big. But with how DotA 2 is now, Valve really doesn't NEED to do that much. Alienware Cup that just happened? Valve didn't do much to create the tournament. It was dpmlicious that went and made it all happen.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:24:24
July 09 2013 21:21 GMT
#10216
On July 10 2013 06:02 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:56 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:49 Seraphic wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:21 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.



BO2 does. It's MLG's history of it. SC2 and LoL can be ignored mainly because of the game itself. Most games prior to SC2 and LoL, MLG prioritized LAN and Developer support.
Virtually every PC multiplayer game before that time had Lan.

Seriously now, Lan has nothing to do with it.

MLG prioritizes money. They don't run any games currently which they haven't gotten direct funding from the developer for.


MLG does, that's only have started when they got more and more attention.

When MLG first started, it was small, Halo only event. That didn't change all the way up until half way into Halo 2 or so. That kept on going until Halo 3 when Sundance became CEO and they started expanding into other games by picking up LoL and SC2.

MLG dropped Halo Reach when they realized the game had no support, and they weren't getting things they were asking for. They didn't pick up MW3 either because, no LAN, lack of support from IW. Nor did they pick up GoW 3. While GoW 3 had dev support, it was beaten out by another game (I don't remember what it was but it didn't go anywhere.)

I don't like to sound cocky but I know MLG. Sundance had said it time and time again before, MLG looks for certain things in the games they want.

This has obviously changed recently because of how big MLG had become, but the basics hasn't changed. Sundance will always be Sundance, he created MLG with a buddy and now he is CEO. Your views on how you run a business won't change so drastically because of it.

I don't see them picking up DotA 2 because as someone said already, they keep talking about it but never do anything actually to show interest aside from some tweets here and there.
I'm sorry but I don't care what MLG have done or what Sundance has said.

Their actions say they don't care about Lan support. Them picking up a game that doesn't have Lan support doesn't mean that's the reason. Even if they say that's the reason, as long as they run multiple games without Lan support, then they don't care about it.

This isn't the mid 2000's when Lan support was an expected feature in a multiplayer game.
Once you Goblak...
Sephyr
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia665 Posts
July 09 2013 21:21 GMT
#10217
Who taught Dendi to say what he said to Xiao8 in that game?
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:33:22
July 09 2013 21:31 GMT
#10218
On July 10 2013 06:21 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 06:02 Seraphic wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:56 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:49 Seraphic wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:21 teapoted wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:09 Seraphic wrote:
About MLG.

I been following MLG since it's Halo 2 days. The 2 things that MLG asks for the games they showcase is LAN support, as well as developer support. That is EXTREMELY important for them. They hate to rely on Internet.

I think DotA 2 is getting LAN support soon (someone find it, I know I saw it some where.) So will DotA 2 be picked up by MLG? I don't think so yet. They have LoL already and with how they do their games, having DotA 2 and LoL right next to each other might not be extremely wise considering the fans will be at each other's throats.

Sundance or the organizers probably realized how big DotA 2 is getting, with Koreans getting into it just now, how big this Alienware Cup ended up with viewer wise with just NaVi vs China. They are probably interested but I don't see them doing anything aside from Online Tournament. I know for certain they did a Showmatch awhile ago with EG vs Na'Vi. It went ok, but there was a lot of lag because of the oversea connection.

I don't see MLG getting DotA 2. I see them picking up another Alienware Cup tournament if possible, flying the Chinese teams over for it but for every tournament they organize? No.

MLG is just interested because of how big the viewer count was for something that wasn't The International.
The amount of games which MLG currently run that have Lan support

=

0? SC2 doesn't, LoL doesn't. CoD on console I don't know, I'd assume it doesn't.



BO2 does. It's MLG's history of it. SC2 and LoL can be ignored mainly because of the game itself. Most games prior to SC2 and LoL, MLG prioritized LAN and Developer support.
Virtually every PC multiplayer game before that time had Lan.

Seriously now, Lan has nothing to do with it.

MLG prioritizes money. They don't run any games currently which they haven't gotten direct funding from the developer for.


MLG does, that's only have started when they got more and more attention.

When MLG first started, it was small, Halo only event. That didn't change all the way up until half way into Halo 2 or so. That kept on going until Halo 3 when Sundance became CEO and they started expanding into other games by picking up LoL and SC2.

MLG dropped Halo Reach when they realized the game had no support, and they weren't getting things they were asking for. They didn't pick up MW3 either because, no LAN, lack of support from IW. Nor did they pick up GoW 3. While GoW 3 had dev support, it was beaten out by another game (I don't remember what it was but it didn't go anywhere.)

I don't like to sound cocky but I know MLG. Sundance had said it time and time again before, MLG looks for certain things in the games they want.

This has obviously changed recently because of how big MLG had become, but the basics hasn't changed. Sundance will always be Sundance, he created MLG with a buddy and now he is CEO. Your views on how you run a business won't change so drastically because of it.

I don't see them picking up DotA 2 because as someone said already, they keep talking about it but never do anything actually to show interest aside from some tweets here and there.
I'm sorry but I don't care what MLG have done or what Sundance has said.

Their actions say they don't care about Lan support. Them picking up a game that doesn't have Lan support doesn't mean that's the reason. Even if they say that's the reason, as long as they run multiple games without Lan support, then they don't care about it.

This isn't the mid 2000's when Lan support was an expected feature in a multiplayer game.


For me it would depend on the game in question. PC wise? Not having LAN like SC2 or LoL is ok.

MLG hasn't picked up any console games that didn't have LAN. (That I know of.) All of their fighting games that was on PS3 had LAN (well ok it's fighters so -.-), All of their shooters had LAN.

The only ones that didn't have been SC2 and LoL. (If I did miss out on another I apologize.)

Edit: I can even list the games to compare if you want me to.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 09 2013 21:32 GMT
#10219
On July 10 2013 06:21 Sephyr wrote:
Who taught Dendi to say what he said to Xiao8 in that game?

apparently some Chinese girl, possibly xiao8's ex but I'm not sure if it's confirmed.


people are really making this way to big of a deal. both sides have commented and sylar even said xiao8 wasn't even mad.

let's not be sc2 level sensitive QQ masters and make tons of drama out of nothing.
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Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
July 09 2013 21:34 GMT
#10220
On July 10 2013 06:32 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 06:21 Sephyr wrote:
Who taught Dendi to say what he said to Xiao8 in that game?

apparently some Chinese girl, possibly xiao8's ex but I'm not sure if it's confirmed.


people are really making this way to big of a deal. both sides have commented and sylar even said xiao8 wasn't even mad.

let's not be sc2 level sensitive QQ masters and make tons of drama out of nothing.


I think it is confirmed that it was Zhao Jie, who xiao8 broke up with. That is why Ruru was telling the Chinese netizens to back off of Zhao Jie and give her space because she was upset.
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