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Lightofheaven still on navis twitter lol
People are overreacting once again. It was obviously meant as a joke and chuan already explained why he did it(Good guy chuan btw). Also just because dendi was bm in the past doesnt mean he is still bm.
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On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there.
Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top.
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On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle.
Yeah I agree with you. LGD's game 3 and 4 were FUCKING scary. I almost thought they had Na'Vi figured out.
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On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there.
AMEN!!!
Rub it in when you can!
Rub it in when you can!
Rub it in when you can!
Someone pick the best Azarkon post and buy the guy TL+.
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I'm still not sure how everyone understood Chuan's pic as, "Hey, the girl told me to say that, I don't know what it means".
The goofy, light hearted jokes, or BM since W3 Dota personality everyone attributes Dendi with, my first reaction of that picture was more like this:
"How did I know those words, you ask me? Ha! that's because I'm with her! It's not rude though, he will understand!"
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On July 10 2013 03:08 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top.
Winning a GSL never meant you were definatelly the best player in the world. Plenty of GSL winners were considered at the same level or even below other players that didn't win the competition. A single tournament is a single tournament, like in any sport the best team not always win. It's not something that should be used to take away from their achievement, but the logic that beating someone in a single, often very close, series means you are clearly better than them is just flawed.
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On July 10 2013 03:12 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:08 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top. Winning a GSL never meant you were definatelly the best player in the world. Plenty of GSL winners were considered at the same level or even below other players that didn't win the competition. A single tournament is a single tournament, like in any sport the best team not always win. It's not something that should be used to take away from their achievement, but the logic that beating someone in a single, often very close, series means you are clearly better than them is just flawed.
For awhile it was because it was the biggest tournament. If you can't win the biggest tournament, you aren't the best player in the world, period.
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On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there.
You're exaggerating as usual. Westerners don't lose to 1-2 special Korean teams only, it's numbers that matter.
6 Asian teams, 2 Western teams in top8 at TI3 would mean Asian scene is still superior. The scenes will be equalized in cases when a) it's all Western finals; b) two western teams top4, one top6; c) one western team top2, another top4, and two top8.
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On July 10 2013 03:14 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:12 SKC wrote:On July 10 2013 03:08 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top. Winning a GSL never meant you were definatelly the best player in the world. Plenty of GSL winners were considered at the same level or even below other players that didn't win the competition. A single tournament is a single tournament, like in any sport the best team not always win. It's not something that should be used to take away from their achievement, but the logic that beating someone in a single, often very close, series means you are clearly better than them is just flawed. For awhile it was because it was the biggest tournament. If you can't win the biggest tournament, you aren't the best player in the world, period.
That means that the best player in the world changed almost montly. There was the time were MVP was dominating and got multiple GSL's, just because Nestea or MC one a GSL in between it didn't mean they were better than MVP. A single tournament is a single tournament. It's like saying Greece was the best european football team in 2004. Upsets happen.
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On July 10 2013 02:59 DarkReign_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:53 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:47 DarkReign_ wrote:
Western teams will enjoy this year TI and maybe more.
The question is...How long?
The east will soon having one more region to emerge. Koreans have ever been their own region when it comes to eSports. In case they emerge, then it's going to be foreigners vs. Koreans, not East vs. West. If they dominate hard then maybe.I'm interested of what Korean's play style will be tho.
In LoL, Korean style emphasises heavily on pushing fast and playing strong 5-men teamfighting lineups.
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On July 10 2013 03:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. You're exaggerating as usual. Westerners don't lose to 1-2 special Korean teams only, it's numbers that matter. 6 Asian teams, 2 Western teams in top8 at TI3 would mean Asian scene is still superior. The scenes will be equalised in cases when a) it's all Western finals; b) two western teams top4, one top6; c) one western team top2, another top4, and two top8.
The Western Scene needs Fnatic and VP to do well. I want to throw Empire in there but they aren't in TI3 so it's pointless.
I do want to add that VP got 2-0ed by Empire just a little while ago... Sooo... VP as usual, so weird and cannot be trusted.
I say, 1. Alliance 2. NaVi 3. Fnatic 4. VP 5. Quantic
Depending on how Empire recovers, have to wait.
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On July 10 2013 03:25 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. You're exaggerating as usual. Westerners don't lose to 1-2 special Korean teams only, it's numbers that matter. 6 Asian teams, 2 Western teams in top8 at TI3 would mean Asian scene is still superior. The scenes will be equalised in cases when a) it's all Western finals; b) two western teams top4, one top6; c) one western team top2, another top4, and two top8. The Western Scene needs Fnatic and VP to do well. I want to throw Empire in there but they aren't in TI3 so it's pointless. I do want to add that VP got 2-0ed by Empire just a little while ago... Sooo... VP as usual, so weird and cannot be trusted. I say, 1. Alliance 2. NaVi 3. Fnatic 4. VP 5. Quantic Depending on how Empire recovers, have to wait.
Mouz is definatelly better than current Empire. The NA teams are probally better as well. Anything past 1 and 2 is extremelly debatable.
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On July 10 2013 03:25 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. You're exaggerating as usual. Westerners don't lose to 1-2 special Korean teams only, it's numbers that matter. 6 Asian teams, 2 Western teams in top8 at TI3 would mean Asian scene is still superior. The scenes will be equalised in cases when a) it's all Western finals; b) two western teams top4, one top6; c) one western team top2, another top4, and two top8. The Western Scene needs Fnatic and VP to do well. I want to throw Empire in there but they aren't in TI3 so it's pointless. I do want to add that VP got 2-0ed by Empire just a little while ago... Sooo... VP as usual, so weird and cannot be trusted. I say, 1. Alliance 2. NaVi 3. Fnatic 4. VP 5. Quantic Depending on how Empire recovers, have to wait.
You forgot mouz.
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On July 10 2013 01:59 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 01:51 sirreginold wrote:
Who cares what Dendi said. These guys paused in the middle of a deciding fight for some bullshit reason. It's all in good fun anyways. That's your living proof, guys, how bad Dota Western community sometimes is. And if i were xiao8 i would find Dendi and break his hands. It would be the appropriate way to end his professional career.
Dude, chill out...
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On July 10 2013 03:28 Crytash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:25 Seraphic wrote:On July 10 2013 03:18 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:
Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. You're exaggerating as usual. Westerners don't lose to 1-2 special Korean teams only, it's numbers that matter. 6 Asian teams, 2 Western teams in top8 at TI3 would mean Asian scene is still superior. The scenes will be equalised in cases when a) it's all Western finals; b) two western teams top4, one top6; c) one western team top2, another top4, and two top8. The Western Scene needs Fnatic and VP to do well. I want to throw Empire in there but they aren't in TI3 so it's pointless. I do want to add that VP got 2-0ed by Empire just a little while ago... Sooo... VP as usual, so weird and cannot be trusted. I say, 1. Alliance 2. NaVi 3. Fnatic 4. VP 5. Quantic Depending on how Empire recovers, have to wait. You forgot mouz.
Oh ya -.-
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@Seraphic, why y no love for TL
If I were betting, TL would be the third (or maybe even second) Western team to enter top8 at TI3.
I don't expect anything from VP at TI3.
And they were playing with standin against Empire, with NS / AA on carry role.
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On July 10 2013 03:18 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 03:14 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 03:12 SKC wrote:On July 10 2013 03:08 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top. Winning a GSL never meant you were definatelly the best player in the world. Plenty of GSL winners were considered at the same level or even below other players that didn't win the competition. A single tournament is a single tournament, like in any sport the best team not always win. It's not something that should be used to take away from their achievement, but the logic that beating someone in a single, often very close, series means you are clearly better than them is just flawed. For awhile it was because it was the biggest tournament. If you can't win the biggest tournament, you aren't the best player in the world, period. That means that the best player in the world changed almost montly. There was the time were MVP was dominating and got multiple GSL's, just because Nestea or MC one a GSL in between it didn't mean they were better than MVP. A single tournament is a single tournament. It's like saying Greece was the best european football team in 2004. Upsets happen.
Nestea beat his teammate Mvp in all of his GSL wins if I'm not mistaken, plus he won it without dropping a map! Go figure!
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On July 10 2013 03:08 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 02:52 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:45 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:41 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:37 superstartran wrote:On July 10 2013 02:26 Azarkon wrote:On July 10 2013 02:00 Stwy wrote:
Most of you guys just don't understand. Chinese/ Asian culture is different from the west. Pride, public image and face matters A LOT. Basically what dendi said, even if it was a joke, was almost equivalent to throwing a pile of dog shit in xiao8's face in front of 200k+ viewers. It's not fucking funny. They might have lost a lot of fans and friends with that 1 sentence.
I won't be surprised if no Chinese team wants to scrim with them at all anymore. Yesterday's BM was acceptable, but what he did just now was outrageous. One thing about that - they need to get back to the West fast before they lose their advantage and give up everything they know. I already feel the Chinese getting a hang of Na'Vi's playstyle. Same old story, same old bullshit. Chinese teams lose a few tournaments before TI2, everyone saying they suck why are they being invited to TI2, etc. etc. Same old story again at TI3. Chinese/Asian teams will likely dominate the entire top 8 again, and the only difference is that you have two Western teams that can compete now rather than just one. Same story except two tournaments IN CHINA, one of which was a LAN, lost to 1-2 Western teams vs. 7-8 Asian teams. Yup, we've all seen that before. Oh wait. Yeah, and Na'vi #threwgamesonpurposeingroupstage Wait until TI3; the Chinese teams looked terrible prior to TI2 (watch some of the tournament footage), and then proceed to stomp literally everyone but Na'vi come TI2. Even with a win in TI 3, the Chinese scene is at best able to bring itself back to equivalence. Losing a tournament on your home soil against 1-2 teams from other countries is simply very bad - it's what Koreans do to Westerners in SC 2, and we know there's a lopsided advantage there. Equivalence? Winning TI3 would automatically put any Chinese team at the top, period. It's like how winning GSL in SC2 puts you at the top.
Best team, sure. Best scene, no. I place greater importance on uphill tournaments ie 1 Western team vs. 9-10 Asian teams when it comes to rating scenes, and you ought to too provided you believe that fluke wins aren't what matters.
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I really cannot tell what the teams who follow Alliance and NaVi on the West.
Kinda want to see other people's rankings.
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