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grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
August 10 2013 11:42 GMT
#8001
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.

Yes, lets streamline the game and then complain about boring farmfests.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
August 10 2013 11:47 GMT
#8002
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.


Even more props for Navi
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
August 10 2013 11:52 GMT
#8003
Holy fuck, I just watched the vod for game 3 DK vs Alliance.

I gotta say I am sad about DK, they fucked that up so bad.....How the fuck do you let Alliance, of all teams, get naga, bat, PL, kotl, and furion in the same fucking lineup. Forget bans, you pretty much couldn't HOPE to draft a better team than that if you tried.....How the hell did they think that was going to work for them, with an alch mid, of all fucking combinations?

Why do teams choke against Alliance like that? It wasn't even a game....
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:01:09
August 10 2013 11:54 GMT
#8004
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.
It was done at TI1.

There is no problem except new kids whining. But they whine about everything, like Chinese teams being boring after watching western teams play completely passive when in the lead for 30 minutes into losing the game. Or split pushing. Or Naga song. Or PL. Or fucking everything.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:06:03
August 10 2013 12:03 GMT
#8005
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.

The trick has been around forever and its not unbeatable. I don't know why you people want the game to become stale and boring, not reward team work and practicing something that is amazingly hard. If it was broken, they would have removed it 3 years ago.
On August 10 2013 20:54 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.
It was done at TI1.

There is no problem except new kids whining. But they whine about everything, like Chinese teams being boring after watching western teams play completely passive when in the lead for 30 minutes into losing the game. Or split pushing. Or Naga song. Or PL. Or fucking everything.

Welcome to what SC2 became. This guy didn't "gg", this guy didn't shake hand. This guy cheeses, this guy did 2 base all ins and a map where it is impossible for him to take a 3rd. Protoss is bad, Terran is bad, Zerg is bad. I don't like this casters or that caster.

Whiny kids being crying about what they think it unfair and not understanding that no one gives two shits.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 10 2013 12:07 GMT
#8006
Plansix don't be an idiot this is present in every scene
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grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
August 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#8007
On August 10 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
Plansix don't be an idiot this is present in every scene

Well, but he is right. People (whether they are kids or not) are more busy crying about everything than just enjoying what they like and ignore what they don't.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:18:15
August 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#8008
On August 10 2013 21:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 20:39 Teton wrote:
On August 10 2013 20:37 crc wrote:
Why aren't these haters crying when fountain hook was used before? EG had one game where they really tried to make that work, and it resulted in their own demise.

Really what the haters are highlighting with all their whinging, is how innovative Navi has been, discovering this high risk, high skill, exciting (source: the crowd at TI3) new combo that people have always known about, but didn't know how to get right. Also remember, Tongfu, for the longest time, had 3 heroes in the top 4 most farmed heroes list. Even if they fought 4v4, even if one of their carries got hooked back (they have 2 cores remember, doom was leading the farm early on), they still have a great chance if they just kept calm and pressed their massive advantage.

If a bug is really easily abusable and unfair, it would not be left in the game for this long (2 years). If a bug is really abusable situationally, then kudos to the first guy to discover this innovative new strat.


It's done in a fucking high stakes game, that's the problem.

The trick has been around forever and its not unbeatable. I don't know why you people want the game to become stale and boring, not reward team work and practicing something that is amazingly hard. If it was broken, they would have removed it 3 years ago.


Some of them are whining because TongFu in all rights should have won that.

It came down to TongFu getting mind-fucked mid Game 3 that made them too passive at a time where they should continue to press their advantage. They didn't, they stopped and lost from it.

Do not whine, or complain about how the game ended up as. TongFu SHOULD have kept pushing, they will be hooked regardless, them hiding wouldn't prevent such a thing.


Not to mention, Fountain Hooking is extremely hard to pull off, something that only NaVi w/ Dendi and Puppey seems to be able to do really successfully when no other teams seems to be able to try. Don't think just because NaVi made it look extremely easy that it is doable for every team. Dendi is known as the best Pudge in DotA 2 for a reason, Puppey's Chen has always been very legendary.

NaVi didn't win BECAUSE of fountain hooking, it helped them a lot because it messed up TongFu's mentality. It allowed Hvost to come back into a game where he was SOO far behind.

This wasn't just strictly fountain hooking, but people whining about it has no game knowledge and bee lined to an excuse for TongFu losing. Some people completely disregarded Hvost's end game presence, and those people are the ones whining about the fountain hooks.
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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:14:58
August 10 2013 12:13 GMT
#8009
Just watched NaVi vs TongFu game 3. The pudge/chen combo hooks were amazing, allowing xboct to actually farm to gain back control in the game. Well played by navi!

Wasn't it done by puppey and dendi at TI1 or TI2?
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
August 10 2013 12:16 GMT
#8010
On August 10 2013 21:13 Bunn wrote:
Just watched NaVi vs TongFu game 3. The pudge/chen combo hooks were amazing, allowing xboct to actually farm to gain back control in the game. Well played by navi!

Wasn't it done by puppey and dendi at TI1 or TI2?


TI1, not 2. I don't recall them doing it at 2 lol.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:20:29
August 10 2013 12:19 GMT
#8011
Wow reading the LR thread while watching yesterday's games is pretty painful, I'd say it's like a sc2 thread except now sc2 LR threads are pretty good and mostly positive, so it's more like a one or two years old sc2 LR thread.
Alliance won ? Nerf batrider, nerf song, PL imba, nerf illuminate, dota 2 waited TI3 to became imbalanced.

edit : hoo, i'm still not at navi's games, seems they did some imba stuff too.
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
August 10 2013 12:19 GMT
#8012
this for me has always been the most impressive thing about sports events - people like navi and dendi in particular - who the more pressure they are under the better they play.
This is just complete opposite of how majority of people react to pressure.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 12:22:57
August 10 2013 12:22 GMT
#8013
On August 10 2013 20:32 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 19:58 Unleashing wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:38 Mataza wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:32 Seraphic wrote:
On August 10 2013 17:20 pyro19 wrote:
Holy shit that Na'vi - Tongfu game 3
Na'vi had no Right to win that..Their teamfight execution is just Out of this World


Ya some mad fan boys here on the forums were crying about it but at the end it was TongFu's fault for not pressuring a bit harder.

TongFu knew it was coming and instead of pressuring to stop it, they fell back and allowed NaVi to let them set it up more and more. It was really a mental mistake on TongFu's part, as it was NaVi's only way to get back into the game.

I heard that Loda told a chinese interviewer about dendi fountain hooks ”This is the most imbalanced thing I ever seen in dota2. It's fucking stupid. It's fucking ridiculous.“

Sounds to me like he already fears to travel for free with the dendi express. Incoming respect ban in the WB finals.

Loda is very quick to call things the most imbalanced thing in the world. Like when he called PL the most imbalanced thing in the world and PL proceeded to fade into a situational pick.
Puppey does the exact same thing.

Yeah, he does. Which is why their words mean very little to me when they both call stuff imba.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
August 10 2013 12:23 GMT
#8014
I just want people to understand 1 thing about the pudge fountain hook: it's rarity is on the level of a unicorn. It's that rare.
People need to understand they saw something so rare, so ballsy that they should be in awe. It doesn't matter if you think it's hideous, unacceptable and unprofessional or if you think it was the best thing since sliced bread. What you saw was a one-of-a-kind of a thing. This is a thing only Na'Vi does. No other team in the world would do it.
Be thankful you saw it work, because it's one thing to do it and make it look like you're disrespecting the opposite team, and it's a whole other thing to do it and actually pull it off, in such a clutch high-stakes match.
Regardless what you think of it, you saw something special.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 10 2013 12:30 GMT
#8015
Are the inbetween games panel vods/itw somewhere ? Would like to see Akke's itw after A vs DK yesterday.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
August 10 2013 12:35 GMT
#8016
On August 10 2013 21:30 MrCon wrote:
Are the inbetween games panel vods/itw somewhere ? Would like to see Akke's itw after A vs DK yesterday.

Only on Twitch afaik: http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 10 2013 12:39 GMT
#8017
On August 10 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
Plansix don't be an idiot this is present in every scene

Your correct that whining is present, but we shouldn't let it dominate the scene and should shut it down. Enjoying SC2 on TL is always soured by whiners in every thread complaining about the style of play, this thing, that thing.

This what we came for TI3 for. For teams picking a risky line up and trying to pull off a combo they have practiced for months. putting everything on the line and pulling it off. At trick that could leave the team hanging 4v5 missing one of their cores. And it was some of the most insane force staff, into hook, into being sent home that I have ever seen.

So those people can whine all they want, but people should not be shy about telling them to shut up, this is the game we showed up to watch. If you don't like it, don't watch.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 10 2013 12:49 GMT
#8018
On August 10 2013 21:35 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 21:30 MrCon wrote:
Are the inbetween games panel vods/itw somewhere ? Would like to see Akke's itw after A vs DK yesterday.

Only on Twitch afaik: http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti

Ho yeah I'm dumb, thanks =)
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
August 10 2013 12:58 GMT
#8019
On August 10 2013 21:19 MrCon wrote:
Wow reading the LR thread while watching yesterday's games is pretty painful, I'd say it's like a sc2 thread except now sc2 LR threads are pretty good and mostly positive, so it's more like a one or two years old sc2 LR thread.
Alliance won ? Nerf batrider, nerf song, PL imba, nerf illuminate, dota 2 waited TI3 to became imbalanced.

edit : hoo, i'm still not at navi's games, seems they did some imba stuff too.


Haha, yeah, it is silly that people would be asking that about the alliance game. DK got what they deserved, they let that ridiculous team composition get through the ban-pick phase, it was their own fault, not imbalance. It's what the ban/picks are for.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 13:02:46
August 10 2013 13:00 GMT
#8020
^I haden't even finished reading, some pages later the dreaded "alliance is killing ESPORTS" appeared :DD
edit : success, I click semi randomly in the 13 hours long twitch vod and find directly Akke's itw
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